The NEA is pushing far left teaching upon children

[Stopped_lurking]

They are. The fact that you've been missexed is irrelevant. It was a mistake. Just like someone can think one is white when in fact you might be native American. You are what you were born as and pronouns are tied to sex. "He" is tied to the male sex. She is tied to the female sex.

So how do you determine sex before using anyone's pronouns? No, it is all convention.

If it wasn't then it wouldn't be such a big deal to those who want to be called the opposite sex pronouns.

It is not even important to all trans people.

If tgey were truly neutral you could call anyone whatever you wanted.

Why, many feel that they are important markers of gender. It is you who claim that they are linked to sex, but no one of you have mentioned your preferred way of ascertaining sex.

 

[RileyG]

Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your ways of thinking about things that happen to you are identical to a man's? Do you really believe that your emotional reactions, your way of thinking about things that happen to you are not subject to gendered categorization by society?

Emotional reactions don’t define gender. Genetics do.

A man who “self-identifies” as a woman is STILL a man, regardless of his “gender identity.”

It’s science.

Reality.

 

[Belk]

The truth hurts

So do lies.

 

[RileyG]

The truth hurts

Especially those who refuse to bow down to the trans agenda. It’s not about being rude, it’s about integrity.

 

[RileyG]

So do lies.

Yes.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Emotional reactions don’t define gender. Genetics do.

A man who “self-identifies” as a woman is STILL a man, regardless of his “gender identity.”

It’s science.

Reality.

Sex is often determined by sex chromosomes (in mammals) or gametes size and motility (more widely).

But why should I disregard what seems to be obvious social factors in determining gender? As I said (almost?) no one is using sex to determine pronouns, saying sex determines pronouns is a red herring. I've yet to meet, anyone that does it regularly and who can describe how they do it.

 

[RileyG]

Sex is often determined by sex chromosomes (in mammals) or gametes size and motility (more widely).

But why should I disregard what seems to be obvious social factors in determining gender? As I said (almost?) no one is using sex to determine pronouns, saying sex determines pronouns is a red herring. I've yet to meet, anyone that does is regularly and who can describe how they do it.

There are no social factors. Men who prefer feminine roles are still men, women who prefer masculine roles are still women.

Never heard of tomboys or metrosexual?

 

[Stopped_lurking]

We aee talking about trans kids. Being trans is a serious mental illness. Kissing a same sex kid is not.

Just so we are clear you don't find same-sex kissing more problematic than cross-sex kissing in a school setting?

Because thats what they are. If you want to use rheir preferred pronouns then do that.

I will, and so will the schools as well I hope.

Don't be irritated if people keep reminding you about pronoun use of you keep using the wrong ones.

I've never needed to. I haven't been wrong yet and been doing it for a really long time.

How did you check?

 

[Stopped_lurking]

There are no social factors. Men who prefer feminine roles are still men, women who prefer masculine roles are still women.

Never heard of tomboys or metrosexual?

So how do you determine sex before deciding what pronouns to use? You don't look at hairstyle, fashion, mannerisms, listen to speech patterns? Check the characteristics of their friend group? Talk to them and ask? You go up to them checking for external genitalia, get a blood sample or what?

Identity seems to be more or less an internal process, but people can feel different affinities for how it is manifested in our social and cultural norms. That is why the gold standard of determining gender identity is to simply ask, if you want to be sure.

 

[Larniavc]

Talk to them about it.

Got a link?

 

[Larniavc]

It’s not about being rude, it’s about integrity.

It IS about being rude. If one insisted that a Christian was by definition in a cult that would be rude and even though one might be accurate it would be beyond rude to state it.

 

[BCP1928]

There are no social factors. Men who prefer feminine roles are still men, women who prefer masculine roles are still women.

That's the point. But we're talking about it in a deeper way, what is it about their psyche that causes them to prefer one role over another.
Still, a woman who prefers male roles is still biologically a female and no one says otherwise. It's more of a linguistic problem than anything. It doesn't come up so much in societies where there are four accepted gender categories,

Never heard of tomboys or metrosexual?

Sure, but that kind of thing didn't work out because to many of them were bullied and discriminated against for it even if they weren't actually trans.

 

[RileyG]

That's the point. But we're talking about it in a deeper way, what is it about their psyche that causes them to prefer one role over another.
Still, a woman who prefers male roles is still biologically a female and no one says otherwise. It's more of a linguistic problem than anything. It doesn't come up so much in societies where there are four accepted gender categories,

Sure, but that kind of thing didn't work out because to many of them were bullied and discriminated against for it even if they weren't actually trans.

Gender roles and gender identity aren’t the same, though. Those are two separate things hence mentioning tomboys.

 

[RileyG]

It IS about being rude. If one insisted that a Christian was by definition in a cult that would be rude and even though one might be accurate it would be beyond rude to state it.

If it is used to embarrass or make someone uncomfortable, then I’d agree it would be rude. I have nothing further to add.

 

[RileyG]

So how do you determine sex before deciding what pronouns to use? You don't look at hairstyle, fashion, mannerisms, listen to speech patterns? Check the characteristics of their friend group? Talk to them and ask? You go up to them checking for external genitalia, get a blood sample or what?

Identity seems to be more or less an internal process, but people can feel different affinities for how it is manifested in our social and cultural norms. That is why the gold standard of determining gender identity is to simply ask, if you want to be sure.

Again, it’s usually determined immediately by just looking at them. Sometimes mistakes occur, but it’s rare.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Again, it’s usually determined immediately by just looking at them. Sometimes mistakes occur, but it’s rare.

So how is pronouns determined by sex then? You don't observe sex directly.

 

[BCP1928]

Gender roles and gender identity aren’t the same, though. Those are two separate things hence mentioning tomboys.

But gender identity often explains gender role choices. And suppression of those choices may cause psychological stress which can be relieved by taking up the entire social role of the opposite gender. Why people think this is an existential threat to the Republic is beyond me.

 

[BCP1928]

So how is pronouns determined by sex then? You don't observe sex directly.

Because if you interacted at work with a person who appeared to be female but was actually male you would go to Hell?

 

[DaisyDay]

Sex reassignment surgery was tried by Harvard back in the 60’s

No, it wasn't. Check your facts.

 

[DaisyDay]

Nor are they confused by Bugs dressing as a woman occasionally.

Bugs Bunny was clearly gay - besides his cross-dressing, he kissed a lot of males and only males (except for that robot) on the mouth.