Obama care collapsing.....

[probinson]

They received a promise that the GOP would consider the subsidies. Apparently, they have.

The Democrats SWORE that the ONLY way to continue the subsidies was to hold the line with the government shutdown. Obviously, they were wrong.

No, they were asking the GOP to come to the table to discuss the matter, but Trump wasn't talking to them and Johnson put the CLOSED UNTIL FURTHER NOTICE sign on the House chamber. The Democrats were saying, correctly, that the law as written didn't extend the subsidies.

The bottom line is, all the Democrats had to do was agree to the clean CR, which they ultimately did anyway, and then address this issue separately. Had they done that, there wouldn't have been a government shutdown.

 

[camille70]

The Democrats SWORE that the ONLY way to continue the subsidies was to hold the line with the government shutdown. Obviously, they were wrong.



The bottom line is, all the Democrats had to do was agree to the clean CR, which they ultimately did anyway, and then address this issue separately. Had they done that, there wouldn't have been a government shutdown.

Their proposal isn't a straight extension of subsidies. It will force people into junk plans

 

[probinson]

Their proposal isn't a straight extension of subsidies. It will force people into junk plans

Do you have a source for this claim? The article linked a few posts earlier doesn't say that. It says:

The White House is preparing a health-policy framework that would extend Affordable Care Act insurance premium subsidies for two years, Politico reported on Monday, a move that could put President Donald Trump at odds with some of his fellow Republicans.​

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According to Politico, Trump's plan is also expected to add new eligibility limits.​

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The White House plan is expected to include a new income cap for receiving ACA tax credits and a requirement for minimum monthly premium payments, Politico reported.​

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One option under discussion would limit subsidies to individuals earning up to 700% of the federal poverty level, aligning with ideas floated by a bipartisan group of senators, Politico reported.​

At the current poverty level for 2025, that means an individual earning $109,550 or more would not qualify for the subsidies. Likewise, a family of four earning $225,050 or more would not qualify.

Why do you say this will force people into "junk plans"?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Trump expected to propose Obamacare subsidy extension, report says​

Two more years to find a replacement!

White House delays announcement of new healthcare cost plan​

President Donald Trump had been scheduled to unveil his plan Monday, but the announcement was postponed without a reason, a White House official told CNN.

According to three people granted anonymity, as reported by Politico, the White House health plan was expected to include a two-year extension of Obamacare subsidies with new limits on eligibility. But that now appears to be off, following pushback from congressional Republicans, according to MSNOW.

I guess they'll need to come up with something sooner.

 

[rjs330]

Yeah, I know, arithmetic makes my head spin sometimes, too.


Let's say that, hypothetically, 10 years ago, your premiums were $100/mo and, if the trends at the time had continued unabated, then after 10 years (i.e. today), your premiums would have increased to $1000/mo.

Now let's say there was a piece of legislation (call it IluvaCare) that cause your premiums today to only be $500/mo.

Did that legislation lower your costs?

I see, so if Trump lowers the rate of inflation, but prices are still higher then he has lowered our costs. By that factor he has already done equal to Biden since I believe inflation is the same as when Biden left office.

 

[rjs330]

If you read my post as claiming that, then it would seem that the other guy wasn’t the only one struggling to comprehend what I understood to be something pretty basic.

I gave up. Since you can't get the idea that if something is more expensive after you were told it would be cheaper then I don't know what to say.

If I was buying a car and the cost was 20 grand and the car salesman told me, I'm going to save you 5 grand in this car, if you just sign this deal. And I did and he handed me a bill for 30 grand, I would know I had just been bamboozled by a used car salesman.

 

[wing2000]

White House delays announcement of new healthcare cost plan​

President Donald Trump had been scheduled to unveil his plan Monday, but the announcement was postponed without a reason, a White House official told CNN.

According to three people granted anonymity, as reported by Politico, the White House health plan was expected to include a two-year extension of Obamacare subsidies with new limits on eligibility. But that now appears to be off, following pushback from congressional Republicans, according to MSNOW.

I guess they'll need to come up with something sooner.

...Republicans who reportedly threatened to resign if the ACA subsidies are extended. Apparently, Trump is better at reading the political tea leaves than the GOP House members. Then again, they came to power on the belief that Obamacare is the root of all evil. So I guess we should cut them some slack for not accepting Trump's sudden about face.

 

[wing2000]

Rep. Tim Burchett in an interview Monday credited the president with having “some guts” to get lawmakers “to the table.” Trump’s forthcoming framework, Burchett added, “starts the negotiating.”

“I don’t like the subsidies,” the Tennessee Republican continued, “but everybody griping about it doesn’t have a plan, so get some guts, put up a plan … or get the heck out of the way.”

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/11/24/trump-health-care-subsidies-backlash-00667751

 

[Fantine]

Subsidies are necessary because healthcare is expensive--and our delivery system is more convoluted than countries with universal healthcare.

Can you imagine how many will lose jobs and how many facilities will close when their customers can't afford their services?

 

[essentialsaltes]

The White House would neither confirm nor deny the reports on the proposal or its delay. “Until President Trump makes an announcement himself, any reporting about the Administration’s healthcare positions is mere speculation," White House spokesman Kush Desai said in a statement.

White House press secretary Karoline Leavitt told reporters health care is being discussed "very frequently and robustly inside the West Wing."

“Right now, the president is very much involved in these talks, and he’s very focused on unveiling a health care proposal that will fix the system and bring down costs for consumers," Leavitt said, without elaborating on any details.

 

[FenderTL5]

The Democrats SWORE that the ONLY way to continue the subsidies was to hold the line with the government shutdown. Obviously, they were wrong.



The bottom line is, all the Democrats had to do was agree to the clean CR, which they ultimately did anyway, and then address this issue separately. Had they done that, there wouldn't have been a government shutdown.

a "clean" resolution wou'ld've been a better idea.
A few Senators, including both from my state, wrote themselves a little check using the taxpayer's checkbook within that so-called CR.

The House voted (426-0) to repeal the provision, with members from both parties calling it a "corrupt cash bonus".
So far the repeal has been blocked in the Senate by Senator Lindsey Graham (one of the senators who could cash the check).
As I understand it, as of today the corrupt addition tainting the resolution still stands.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

What I will remember most about this series of events is that the longest government shutdown in history was completely unnecessary and accomplished absolutely nothing.

Just don’t forget who was supposedly in control of both houses of congress, the White House and the supreme court at the time.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Speaker Mike Johnson has told the White House that most House Republicans have little interest in extending the Affordable Care Act's enhanced subsidies, sources familiar with the conversation told CBS News.

Democrats made an extension of the tax credits their central demand to reopen the government, demanding that Republicans negotiate on the issue to secure their votes. But GOP leaders insisted they wouldn't negotiate until after the shutdown ended. And ultimately, a group of eight Democrats supported a deal to end the shutdown, securing a commitment to vote on the tax credits within a month.

 

[essentialsaltes]

'No-win position': GOP careening towards crisis on health care plan​

Lillis wrote, "The deadline has put Republican leaders into a no-win position: If they extend the tax credits, they’ll go on record for the first time augmenting a Democratic law they deem noxious while infuriating a conservative base that’s spent more than 15 years trying to kill it.

"If they don’t, the out-of-pocket health costs for millions of people will skyrocket heading into next year’s midterm elections, when Republicans are already at risk of losing control of the House."

 

[iluvatar5150]

I see, so if Trump lowers the rate of inflation, but prices are still higher then he has lowered our costs. By that factor he has already done equal to Biden since I believe inflation is the same as when Biden left office.

If he didn't bring inflation down, then he didn't reduce costs. If he did bring inflation down from what it otherwise would've been, I think it's fair to say that he reduced costs.

I gave up. Since you can't get the idea

I can't get the idea?

The only people who aren't "getting" anything are you and @probinson who misread what I've said.

If the claim was that Obamacare will "reduce costs", then it seems to have done that by reducing the rate of increase.

If the claim was that Obamacare will cause prices to be lower in the future than they are now, then it has not done that.

 

[probinson]

The only people who aren't "getting" anything are you and @probinson who misread what I've said.

I read what you said just fine. You said that the ACA lowered costs. It did not. You are demonstrably wrong. In fact in my case, after the ACA was passed, the rate of increase of my healthcare costs accelerated vs. how much it had increased in prior years.

You're hanging your hat on the unverifiable claim that the ACA reduced the rate of healthcare cost increase. But neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has any idea how much or how quickly the rate of increase would have been without the ACA. That is a counterfactual that literally NO ONE can know, because it didn't happen. The whole of your "lower costs" assertion rests on this unknown.

I suppose it's easier to pretend like the recipients of your message are incapable of understanding what you've written than it is to admit that you're just plain wrong.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[FenderTL5]

I read what you said just fine. You said that the ACA lowered costs. It did not. You are demonstrably wrong. In fact in my case, after the ACA was passed, the rate of increase of my healthcare costs accelerated vs. how much it had increased in prior years.

You're hanging your hat on the unverifiable claim that the ACA reduced the rate of healthcare cost increase. But neither you, nor I, nor anyone else has any idea how much or how quickly the rate of increase would have been without the ACA. That is a counterfactual that literally NO ONE can know, because it didn't happen. The whole of your "lower costs" assertion rests on this unknown.

I suppose it's easier to pretend like the recipients of your message are incapable of understanding what you've written than it is to admit that you're just plain wrong.

Have a Happy Thanksgiving.

Are you getting your insurance via the ACA? That is via the exchange either with or without a subsidy?