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[sjastro]

Yes so I was right that the base blocks on the pyramid were molded. I had people on your side claiming I was creating conspiracies for suggesting such ideas and there was no evidence. That you for confirming I was right all along.

Yes the limestone used in the moulded blocks comes from the Tura quarry. But its been crushed or broken down and reconstituted with some polymer or something like cement. Except it seems to dry naturally like its stone.

All you have confirmed is an inability to read and comprehend.

There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

lol I forgot there are certain trigger words. Like a word suddenly is what makes reality. Just mention the word and it all reality becomes the word. Like the word has magic powers. Not about "trigger words" its about you sloppy writing. If you don't mean "new age sprituality" don't use the term...

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[stevevw]

Read the study there were NO tests or experiments performed.

I never said there were any tests. I said the theorectic simulations were enough to warrant further testing and base new tech on. There were real science from the research that warrants further investigation and not dismissing.

No again, this is just a popular scientific write up of the same study

So why should I believe your opinion over the scientific write up lol. It seems all the so called "scientific write ups" are saying the same thing. Coming to the same conclusion as myself. The write up actually quotes the researchers.

Which is just saying that they want to produce pyramidal antennas, if they are at a nanoscale it will not be radiowaves they are trying to interact with.

So how is this not advanced knowledge. They are learning from the ancient Egyptian structures and methods to generate such waves and energy sources. Surely the structure, its location and the specifiuc way its build with certain stones was not just luck in producing such results.

This is article has not been peer-reviewed (the pre-print even says so in it's watermarks), it tries to build a case for the connection between the shroud of Turin and the Giza pyramids. It contains no test or experimental work.

Ah peer review, peer review. Everything has to be peer reviewed. At least its a scientific paper. You are dismissing it without any peer review or even any scientific published article. Your doing exactly what I was pointing out was double standard.

Here I am linking peer review and at least scientifice papers and reports laying out the process and anaysis. All I am getting from skeptics is single sentence objections with absolutely no support.

Is not the Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber the same effect that the other papers which included peer review were talking about. So we have a number of papers all supporting a similar effect. I would rather side with at least scientific papers then someones personal opinion on a social media platform.

Mentioned in the post you quoted before. There is no connection to egyptian pyramids, is there?

I think I may have linked this to show that the tech is possible. That research has shown that granite can be weakened by Piezoelectric Excitation. Along similar lines to the other research and tests showing Piezoelectric Phenomena and effects.

They are all looking at the use of the natural materials involved and how they interact with each other. How specific combinations or architecture enhances natural phenomena that can ebe harnessed.

As mentioned I don't think for example the location of the pyramid on a high electromagnetic location, over a mineral rich subterrainian water network.

No one of your articles has shown the utility of piezoelectrics in conjunction with the pyramids.

Show me the peer review that states there is no connection.

That was no confirmation! It is enough to make further tests interesting.

According to the findings they clearly state that there was human intervention.

The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167577X10008979

Conclusion from the pdf is that it may contain both natural and manmade blocks. No hypothesis testing was performed,

Yes there was. The hypothesis was.
1) If the blocks are artificial, their magnetic moments are parallel, oriented approximately in the north-south direction
2) If the blocks are natural, then the directions of their magnetic moments are oriented randomly.

Magnetic analyses suggest the possibility that the pyramids may contain both natural and man-made blocks.

As far as I understand that the blocks that are orientated paralell north to south have a magnetic moments that corresponds to them being artificial. Being reconstituted in situ and never changing orientation. Whereas the natural stones have random magnetic moments as they are changing orientation over time. It is impossible for a natural stone to have a N to S magnetic moment.

so how probable was it that the magnetization directions would be observed by chance alone? Seven samples don't give them much to work with.

Near impossible. The magnetic moments happen as the stones are orientated. So natural stones from quarry to placement will undergo random orientations. Whereas the cast blocks being cast in situ will only have paralell orientation N to S as they have only been orientation in one position.

No hypothesis testing was performed, so how probable was it that the magnetization directions would be observed by chance alone? Seven samples don't give them much to work with.

Thats 7 out of 7 which makes the odds atronomically high that all these blocks just happen to remain paralelle throughout the entire process from quarry to positioning. If they were chiselled and cut and hauled up the pyramid they are going to have random magnetic moments.

But when you add the other tests that show the makeup of the stones are manmade and contain artificial minerals and chemistry in them it makes a strong case.

The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone. The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature. "Therefore," says Barsoum, "it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

The presence of silicon dioxide nanoscale spheres (with diameters only billionths of a meter across) in one of the samples. This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists." "Ironically," says Barsoum, "this study of 4,500 year old rocks is not about the past, but about the future."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

In other words just like we are learning from the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and applying this to new tech. The same with the geopolymer cement the early Egyptians created which is natural and environmental. They are teaching us how to manipulate nature from 4,500 years ago or longer.

Gathering 'concrete' evidence
The binder, known as a geopolymer, could have been made from lime, kaolinite (a kind of clay), a fine silica (such as diatomaceous earth) and natron (sodium carbonate). The same ingredients were used by the Egyptians to make self-glazing pottery ornaments, a material called Egyptian faience, and well known to archeologists.

Gathering 'concrete' evidence

MIT class explores controversial pyramid theory with scale model

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I read the article, they don't claim to have proved anything. What do you want me to do then?

To apply the same standard you apply to me. The skeptics demans peer review and still reject it. They demand scientific evidence from formal sources with credible scientists.

Just saying you disagree meets none of those standards that have been demanded of me. I have several independent sources from either peer review or scientific sources with published papers, reposts and commentary on those papers and reports. You have a personal opinion on a social media site.

It is a suggestion. It even says so in the headline.

Yes just like the idea of giant ramps and wooden sleds or cutting millions of blocks with chisels and copper saws. Why is it that the orthodoxy is accepted out of hand when its also spectulation. At least the idea of hydro lifting is more aligned to a realistic explanation and that the Egyptians were smarter than just using sheer human power.

You're jumping the gun, let us see if others can replicate the findings.

Theres enough evidence to say it was likely. Thats why I always go back to the images. I have shown you observation evidence of softened stone already and its been dismissed. This image is one of the actual blocks on the casing and you can see how it was soft.

How much more evidence do you want.

Even if they were using some sort of cement, how does this follow? Cement-like (true cement with lime came a little later?) construction was known to the ancient egyptians, was it not?

Well the Romans were attributed with create cement. So this like other discoveries pushes back the timeline. But the research results seem to say that this was not just any old cement but one thats eco friendly and lasts longer than any other cement.

Enough to want to reverse engineer it to use as a building product for the future. In other words 4,500 year old knowledge is showing us how ho make cement today.

But also that it explains how the outer casing stones are so tight where you can't even get a human hair between them. This makes sense that they were cast and sank into each other as they dried. The material did not shrink and looked and lasted like real stone. Even to foolw Egyptologists for decades . Claiming they spent years chiseling surfaces to hair tight perfection.

What do you mean with "They all had a purpose associated with the data being collected."? That the egyptians built thing with a purpose in mind, that is more or less a given.

Yes so I am saying that there was much more of a purpose for what they built than given credit for. The same principle but just more of it and more advanced than thought.

I mean the pyramids are a feat in themselves. But the orthodoxy that they were just big tombs and like Sneferu needed three is becoming unreal. There is a lot more going on and thanks to modern tech its only in recent decade that we are finding out.

Only in the sense, that new findings of course changes our current understanding. That is what science does.

Lol its like they never resisted the idea and when it shows their orthodoxy wrong they pretend thats how science works. As though science never has a paradigm change. I think like all sciences this is exactly what is happening.

 

[stevevw]

All you have confirmed is an inability to read and comprehend.

There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

lol I forgot there are certain trigger words. Like a word suddenly is what makes reality. Just mention the word and it all reality becomes the word. Like the word has magic powers. Not about "trigger words" its about you sloppy writing. If you don't mean "new age sprituality" don't use the term...

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Perhaps its the other way around. Refer to my last post and the evidence from several independent sources.

Do you comprehend the following

The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature.

"it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

 

[sjastro]

Perhaps its the other way around. Refer to my last post and the evidence from several independent sources.

Do you comprehend the following

The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature.

"it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled ctsfrom a natural limestone block."

This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

Did I not explain in another post this so called reconstituted limestone is due to the effect of the Giza water table changing the geochemistry of limestone at and near the surface.

There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

What is the algorithm based on. Is there any assumptions that exclude certain knowledge as being pseudoscience grift...Before its established that its pseudoscience grift. Or that we must use a particular algorithm that you decide is truth. That only tells us a certain kind of reality and not...

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Explain why this reconstituted limestone seems to magically disappear for both core and casing stones beyond the lower courses for all the Giza pyramids as confirmed by a number of independent tests.
Also try explaining how individual limestone blocks can have a reconstituted lower region and a natural limestone upper region if the water table played no role.

Your claim reconstituted moulded limestone is settled science is either an example of dishonesty or a lack of comprehension as the independent tests clearly refute this notion.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I never said there were any tests. I said the theorectic simulations were enough to warrant further testing and base new tech on. There were real science from the research that warrants further investigation and not dismissing.

Yes, you did I quoted you in the post that you quoted. Here it is again:

The hypothesis was that the pyramids structure and chambers can concentrate electromagnic energy. The test confirms this.

So why should I believe your opinion over the scientific write up lol. It seems all the so called "scientific write ups" are saying the same thing. Coming to the same conclusion as myself. The write up actually quotes the researchers.

Popular scientific write-up, there is no actual new test performed, you should read the article.

So how is this not advanced knowledge.

We have no reason to believe that any electromagnetic considerations was part of the egyptians purpose. It has not been experimentally verified to even be a real thing (how do you believe all the boundary layers between the blocks would affect the antenna performance?).

They are learning from the ancient Egyptian structures and methods to generate such waves and energy sources.

The simulation did not touch on generating any energy, the electric and magnetic field sources in the calculation was external to the pyramid.

Surely the structure, its location and the specifiuc way its build with certain stones was not just luck in producing such results.

What impact did the stones have then if you have read it (they assumed normal limestone)? If they had used other stones in Egypt how would that change the results? How did the location influence the simulation? Did they have any data on the permittivity of the substrate in their calculations?

It is a simulation study, they basically only tested the pyramidal shape.

Ah peer review, peer review. Everything has to be peer reviewed. At least its a scientific paper.

No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.

You are dismissing it without any peer review or even any scientific published article. Your doing exactly what I was pointing out was double standard.

I'm not dismissing anything, but your supposed peer-reviewed papers (which no longer are peer-reviewed) don't support your claims.

Here I am linking peer review and at least scientifice papers and reports laying out the process and anaysis. All I am getting from skeptics is single sentence objections with absolutely no support.

No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.

Is not the Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber the same effect that the other papers which included peer review were talking about.

Does it even exist? Who has measured it?

So we have a number of papers all supporting a similar effect. I would rather side with at least scientific papers then someones personal opinion on a social media platform.

Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.

I think I may have linked this to show that the tech is possible. That research has shown that granite can be weakened by Piezoelectric Excitation. Along similar lines to the other research and tests showing Piezoelectric Phenomena and effects.

Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.

They are all looking at the use of the natural materials involved and how they interact with each other. How specific combinations or architecture enhances natural phenomena that can ebe harnessed.

So link that peer-reviewed article then? What natural phenomena are we talking about here, what do you believe was the source of the radio waves? Or vibrations for piezoelectric power generation?

As mentioned I don't think for example the location of the pyramid on a high electromagnetic location, over a mineral rich subterrainian water network.

So link that peer-reviewed article then?

Show me the peer review that states there is no connection.

Normally, if you claim it you show it. I'm ok with uncertainties regarding the pyramids.

According to the findings they clearly state that there was human intervention.

The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167577X10008979

"The NMR results suggest..." What does suggest mean?

Yes there was. The hypothesis was.
1) If the blocks are artificial, their magnetic moments are parallel, oriented approximately in the north-south direction
2) If the blocks are natural, then the directions of their magnetic moments are oriented randomly.

Magnetic analyses suggest the possibility that the pyramids may contain both natural and man-made blocks.

As far as I understand that the blocks that are orientated paralell north to south have a magnetic moments that corresponds to them being artificial. Being reconstituted in situ and never changing orientation. Whereas the natural stones have random magnetic moments as they are changing orientation over time. It is impossible for a natural stone to have a N to S magnetic moment.

The magnetic moments are not perfect north-south, actually from the pictures they have enough east-west spread so some kind of statistical test would be appropriate to determine if they are semi-aligned by chance alone.

Near impossible.

So what was the p-value then?

The magnetic moments happen as the stones are orientated. So natural stones from quarry to placement will undergo random orientations. Whereas the cast blocks being cast in situ will only have paralell orientation N to S as they have only been orientation in one position.

Thats 7 out of 7 which makes the odds atronomically high that all these blocks just happen to remain paralelle throughout the entire process from quarry to positioning. If they were chiselled and cut and hauled up the pyramid they are going to have random magnetic moments.

See above. Read it there was not 7 blocks that showed that pattern.

But when you add the other tests that show the makeup of the stones are manmade and contain artificial minerals and chemistry in them it makes a strong case.

The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids
The tiniest structures within the inner and outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone. The cement binding the limestone aggregate was either silicon dioxide (the building block of quartz) or a calcium and magnesium-rich silicate mineral.

The sample chemistries the researchers found do not exist anywhere in nature. "Therefore," says Barsoum, "it's very improbable that the outer and inner casing stones that we examined were chiseled from a natural limestone block."

The presence of silicon dioxide nanoscale spheres (with diameters only billionths of a meter across) in one of the samples. This discovery further confirms that these blocks are not natural limestone.

Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists." "Ironically," says Barsoum, "this study of 4,500 year old rocks is not about the past, but about the future."
The Surprising Truth Behind the Construction of the Great Pyramids

In other words just like we are learning from the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and applying this to new tech. The same with the geopolymer cement the early Egyptians created which is natural and environmental. They are teaching us how to manipulate nature from 4,500 years ago or longer.

Gathering 'concrete' evidence
The binder, known as a geopolymer, could have been made from lime, kaolinite (a kind of clay), a fine silica (such as diatomaceous earth) and natron (sodium carbonate). The same ingredients were used by the Egyptians to make self-glazing pottery ornaments, a material called Egyptian faience, and well known to archeologists.

Gathering 'concrete' evidence

MIT class explores controversial pyramid theory with scale model

news.mit.edu

To apply the same standard you apply to me. The skeptics demans peer review and still reject it. They demand scientific evidence from formal sources with credible scientists.

Just saying you disagree meets none of those standards that have been demanded of me. I have several independent sources from either peer review or scientific sources with published papers, reposts and commentary on those papers and reports. You have a personal opinion on a social media site.

Yes just like the idea of giant ramps and wooden sleds or cutting millions of blocks with chisels and copper saws. Why is it that the orthodoxy is accepted out of hand when its also spectulation. At least the idea of hydro lifting is more aligned to a realistic explanation and that the Egyptians were smarter than just using sheer human power.

Theres enough evidence to say it was likely. Thats why I always go back to the images. I have shown you observation evidence of softened stone already and its been dismissed. This image is one of the actual blocks on the casing and you can see how it was soft.

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How much more evidence do you want.

How is this picture evidence that it was soft?

Well the Romans were attributed with create cement.

Lime based cement yes, but there was other plasters around.

So this like other discoveries pushes back the timeline. But the research results seem to say that this was not just any old cement but one thats eco friendly and lasts longer than any other cement.

Fine, but @sjastro have a competing hypothesis, so I'll let the archaeologist and the geophysicists work this on out before I'll draw any firm conclusions.

Enough to want to reverse engineer it to use as a building product for the future. In other words 4,500 year old knowledge is showing us how ho make cement today.

But also that it explains how the outer casing stones are so tight where you can't even get a human hair between them. This makes sense that they were cast and sank into each other as they dried. The material did not shrink and looked and lasted like real stone. Even to foolw Egyptologists for decades . Claiming they spent years chiseling surfaces to hair tight perfection.

Yes so I am saying that there was much more of a purpose for what they built than given credit for. The same principle but just more of it and more advanced than thought.

Why would we think that?

I mean the pyramids are a feat in themselves. But the orthodoxy that they were just big tombs and like Sneferu needed three is becoming unreal. There is a lot more going on and thanks to modern tech its only in recent decade that we are finding out.

Lol its like they never resisted the idea and when it shows their orthodoxy wrong they pretend thats how science works. As though science never has a paradigm change. I think like all sciences this is exactly what is happening.

So how many refused articles have the proponents sent to the journals? Any? Are their refusal rate higher than others? Otherwise it is just them complaining.

 

[sjastro]

With regards to the nonsense of the ancient Egyptians using pyramids to 'focus or amplify' electromagnetic energy, all objects including pyramids can exhibit electromagnetic resonances.
These resonances occur when an external electromagnetic wave matches one of the natural oscillation modes of the object.
In conductive materials this involves free electrons oscillating collectively while in insulating materials like limestone or granite, the response is much weaker and consists mainly of small polarization shifts rather than free electron motion.
At resonance the frequency of the electromagnetic radiation matches the frequency of the oscillating electrons or polarization shifts resulting in an increase in the amplitude of the oscillation.

The internal chambers of the Great Pyramid have different dielectric properties than the surrounding limestone and granite walls, so can alter the distribution of electromagnetic fields and support their own weak resonance modes. Inside the chambers, electromagnetic fields can form weak standing-wave patterns due to reflections off the walls to form constructive interference with the incident radiation creating regions where the field is slightly stronger and is normal cavity resonance found in any enclosed space.

It is blatantly obvious the ancient Egyptians were completely unaware of the physics by simply comparing the interiors of the Great Pyramid with the second largest pyramid that of Khafre.

Khafre’s pyramid contains intrusive tunnels created by tomb robbers but would show a far weaker electromagnetic field enhancement than Khufu’s because it lacks internal chambers and therefore dielectric discontinuities which cannot support internal standing-wave resonant modes.

If the ancient Egyptians were aware of the physics they would not have constructed Khafre’s pyramid with the internal chamber below the pyramid where enhancements would have been negligible.

 

[stevevw]

Yes, you did I quoted you in the post that you quoted. Here it is again:

Once again this fixation on words and their meaning as creating the entire meaning of what someone says. Look at the word in its context. I stated this testing supported further testing which was the onsite tests.

I agreed it was a similation and thats what the word 'test' was referring to. Please read the 'word' in the context of the sentence they are written in.

Popular scientific write-up, there is no actual new test performed, you should read the article.

Ok so I will apply the same logic to your claim. You objection holds not weight as its just a popular comment on a social media thread. I would rather believe the popular scientfic write-up than someones personal opinion on a social media thread.

But it was not just the popular science article that was making these claims was it. It was the actual scientists. Scientists (not the article) concluded the Pyramid may have been a gigantic resonator that was designed to trap electromagnetic waves.

We have no reason to believe that any electromagnetic considerations was part of the egyptians purpose. It has not been experimentally verified to even be a real thing (how do you believe all the boundary layers between the blocks would affect the antenna performance?).

I don't know, isnt that what the tests are for. The fact is they have found good theorectical reasons to do further tests. There have been a number of theorectical studies that tell us there is good reason.

Even if the Egyptians did not purposely build the pyramids for generating any effects. Its still worth the investigation by the fact that effects are theorised by the modelling. They claim this can teach us something. Your actually contradicting science now by denying the idea of persuing further investigation when the theory supports it.

But wait. Did not some of the tests happen on site in the pyramids.
Scientists blasted the 4,600-year-old structure with electromagnetic waves, a form of radiation that travel though the universe, finding it focused and amplified the energy into specific chambers and around the base.

The simulation did not touch on generating any energy, the electric and magnetic field sources in the calculation was external to the pyramid.

But there was also actual tests done in the pyramids that show that it concentrated energy into the chambers. Its no longer theorectical.

What impact did the stones have then if you have read it (they assumed normal limestone)? If they had used other stones in Egypt how would that change the results?

The made a couple of assumptions and all science does. They did not just assume limestone. They also accounted for the pink granite in the chambers and shafts.

This stone has high piezoelectric effect under pressure. Its the position of the chambers, shafts and stones that generate the concentratede effect in the Kings chamber. The quartz crystals in pink granite is known for its high piezoelectric effect.

But its not just the stones. Its also the location of the pyramids themselves on a high electromagnetic location. Over a minreal rich natural subterrainian water way deposit. All this is not just some coincident and accident. The Egyptians were chemists and physicists as well in their own way.

As the scientists who did the research said and not popular science "Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists."

How did the location influence the simulation? Did they have any data on the permittivity of the substrate in their calculations?

Not that particular research but other research has establish the influence of the location on potential advanced knowledge of nature.

Development of Sulfuric Acid Speleogenetic Deposits within Cavernous Middle Eocene Beds: Inference on Hydrocarbon Gas Seepages, Giza Pyramids Plateau, Egypt
https://www.researchgate.net/public...rbon_Gas_Seepages_Giza_Pyramids_Plateau_Egypt

The Great Pyramid of Giza: A Modern View on Ancient Knowledge, Air and Fire – Part II
The Great Pyramid of Giza: A Modern View on Ancient Knowledge, Air and Fire – Part II | Ancient Origins

It is a simulation study, they basically only tested the pyramidal shape.

Why is it that skeptics are so eaher to minimise everything. They did way more than just test its shape. They were able tyo get new tech from it that can have real world effects.

No, peer-review is part of the modern scientific process.

Its become a a tool to deny scientific ideas that don't conform to the orthodoxy in some cases. Some ideas don't even get through the front door. They are deemed unreal before peer review. Some non peer review science has shown peer review as wrong.

I'm not dismissing anything, but your supposed peer-reviewed papers (which no longer are peer-reviewed) don't support your claims.

But you do so without the same standards you demand of those proposing alternative ideas. You demand of them peer review while claiming them wrong wroung without peer review. Its double standards.

Does it even exist? Who has measured it?

First the high Piezoelectric effect in granite has already been verified. So its logical that a concentration of granite in the chambers is going to cause a higher Piezoelectric effect. From memory the shafts were also granite. Its whether they knew this and made it so to concentrate the effect in the chambers. .

Experimental results of the piezoelectric activity of quartzose rocks

https://library.seg.org/doi/abs/10.1190/1.1892893?download=true

Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics

Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics - Russian Physics Journal

The choice of the operating wavelength of electromagnetic radiation is justified for a pyramid considered as an antenna. It is shown that due to the strong dispersion of the refractive index of the pyramid material, there will always be a part of the spectral range, in which the refractive index...

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Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/jap/article-abstract/124/3/034903/156109/Electromagnetic-properties-of-the-Great-Pyramid?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Piezoelectrics are well-known, what do they have to do with the pyramids in Giza that is the question.

Thats what all the articles on the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids are trying to find out.

So link that peer-reviewed article then? What natural phenomena are we talking about here, what do you believe was the source of the radio waves? Or vibrations for piezoelectric power generation?

Not sure if we are at the peer review stage yet. Still there is good science behind the idea.

The Overall Science behind the Pyramid
The generation of electricity requires the pyramid to vibrate always. Hence the location at which the electromagnetic waves are more on the surface of the globe are chosen to be the perfect sites for the pyramid. For example, the pyramid at Giza is standing on the underwater currents of the river Nile plus on a location where high electromagnetic flux lines can be measured and felt. This provides the vibrations required for the crystals to vibrate at all times. And Graphite rods are connected to the pyramid floors made of diamagnetic granites.[4] The figure below illustrates the ionic emission at the apex.

The Overall Science behind the Pyramid – IJERT

The Overall Science behind the Pyramid - written by K. S. Vishwanath Vashisht published on 2016/11/03 download full article with reference data and citations

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Normally, if you claim it you show it. I'm ok with uncertainties regarding the pyramids.

Yes and when I show it its dismissed without the same level of peer review.

"The NMR results suggest..." What does suggest mean?

Here we go with word meanings. So if I find a word that means 'assurity' rather than suggest then logically that would mean the findings are definite.

So when the article says 'Barsoum (the lead scientists) 'the outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone'. The the word 'indeed' means they definitely found that the casing stones were made of reconsituted limestone.

What about "electron microscope analysis indicates the Egyptians used diatomaceous earth, a naturally occurring, commonly found soft sedimentary rock". Not (suggests) but definietly used diatomaceous earth in the mixture that was found in the samples of casing stones.

The magnetic moments are not perfect north-south, actually from the pictures they have enough east-west spread so some kind of statistical test would be appropriate to determine if they are semi-aligned by chance alone.

So more tests need to be done rather than dismiss it as conspiracy or psuedoscience.

So what was the p-value then?

I don't know. I think you would need way more stones tested to gather enough data to determine this.

How is this picture evidence that it was soft?

Can you see the lip at the bottom as though the soft mixture spread into a gap between the blocks. This was not the result of grinding the block away to create a protruding lip. We see much evidence of this signature. I have linked them earlier. Why is it now you only recognise them.

Lime based cement yes, but there was other plasters around.

Yes an advanced cement that is revealing an advanced tech that we are recognising 4,500 years later. The advanced knowledge keeps getting pushed back earlier and earlier.

Fine, but @sjastro have a competing hypothesis, so I'll let the archaeologist and the geophysicists work this on out before I'll draw any firm conclusions.

Thats ok but like I said a social media platform is not a good place to make the case and especially make claims about existing peer review or even scientific reports or research that has been published. At least these make full article with the process linked out and tests done. I have not seen this yet and if I do then I will include it.

Why would we think that?

Because of the accumulation of data pointing that way. At the very least to do further investigation. You have to remember that these ideas and findings have only come in the past decade or so because the tech has improved. We are really only beginning to understand the level of knowledge and tech involved with the ancient Egyptians.

So how many refused articles have the proponents sent to the journals? Any? Are their refusal rate higher than others? Otherwise it is just them complaining.

It depends. As shown there are a few in mainstream journals. There are a fair few Russian journals lol. But there are a fair few good scientfific papers that are not yet peer reviewed. But as a total I don;t think there are many articles done full stop. I don't think many have even been submitted at all.

Its still seen as fringe so it has a long way to go before being accepted by the mainstream. I think perhaps the area of natural energies may lead to more research into the Egyptians ancient worls as is happening now. We have a long history of seeing the pyramids as being something more than just a tomb. Now we have the tech to find out. Watch this space I reckon.

 

[Brother Del]

Professor Heihnsohn, to the best of my knowledge died an unbeliever, that should in no way detract from the importance of his well documented research and purely scientific observations.

"History is a set of lies agreed upon."
Napolean

 

[stevevw]

With regards to the nonsense of the ancient Egyptians using pyramids to 'focus or amplify' electromagnetic energy, all objects including pyramids can exhibit electromagnetic resonances.

But the pyramids are extra special. They have some mean acoustics. But also the whole setup within an electromagnetically active location. It all seems to add up to a combination of factors that are being utilised to generate Piezoelectric effects.

These resonances occur when an external electromagnetic wave matches one of the natural oscillation modes of the object.
In conductive materials this involves free electrons oscillating collectively while in insulating materials like limestone or granite, the response is much weaker and consists mainly of small polarization shifts rather than free electron motion.
At resonance the frequency of the electromagnetic radiation matches the frequency of the oscillating electrons or polarization shifts resulting in an increase in the amplitude of the oscillation.

Yes thats why I say its the combination of the location of the pyramids within a high electromagentic region and the specific layout of shafts, vents and chambers in granite and the different stones to concentrate the energy. The particular exterior of high reflective stone, the Gold plated cap stone. The subterrainian water ways with righ minerals conducive of quartz crystals. Its the specific combination of these factors.

The internal chambers of the Great Pyramid have different dielectric properties than the surrounding limestone and granite walls, so can alter the distribution of electromagnetic fields and support their own weak resonance modes. Inside the chambers, electromagnetic fields can form weak standing-wave patterns due to reflections off the walls to form constructive interference with the incident radiation creating regions where the field is slightly stronger and is normal cavity resonance found in any enclosed space.

I mean all your doing is giving your personnal take on this.

It is blatantly obvious the ancient Egyptians were completely unaware of the physics by simply comparing the interiors of the Great Pyramid with the second largest pyramid that of Khafre.

Thats only if you assume each pyramid was used for the same purpose. Or that one was not an improvement on the other as part of an experiment to perfect the best energy creation.

As you are giving your opinion here are opinions from others. Why is your opinion more truthful than others.

King's and Queen's Chambers
A simple galvanic cell uses metallic native elements having varying electrical potentials (anodes and cathodes) that transfer electrons when placed apart in baths of their own salt solutions and interconnected by conductive metal wiring for the electron exchange (fig. 6).

In the Great Pyramid, the copper (Cu) anode gives up electrons to the gold (Au) cathode having an electrical potential roughly three times higher (fig. 6) . Copper wire was historically reported to have been found on the floor of the salt-encrusted Queen's chamber upon breeching. 2021 Giza Pyramids Science and Engineering

Ancient Egyptians closely observed the night sky for agricultural purposes, and the pyramids' relationship with the heavens during the Old Kingdom era suggests a deliberate correlation.

Various scientific studies have also explored the pyramid's ability to concentrate electromagnetic energy. Researchers have observed that radio waves within specific resonant lengths are concentrated within the pyramid's chambers and base. These findings support the idea that the pyramids may have functioned as power-generating machines.
The Pyramids: Unveiling Nikola Tesla's Bone-Chilling Revelation

Nummulitic limestone from the Abu Rawash area was analyzed by the National Research Center of Cairo. It was found its conductance improves at higher frequency - to the point where it is exceptional. If the conductivity of a material needs to be about 600 Tera Hz, in addition to structurally strong, there could not be better material than limestone.

The Great Pyramid is located at the geographical center of Earth, as noticed by Charles Smyth and reported in this book “Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid” in 1864. The fact that the geographical center of Earth is at the location of the Great Pyramid is startling. Now, for a structure to emit high frequency radiation (which is really light), it must be surrounded by a large land mass.

The purpose of the King’s chamber was to collect all free electrons produced in the Queen’s chamber and push those toward the top of the pyramid. The granite beams in the King’s chamber are made of red granite, which has high crystal content when exposed to vibration and creates an electric field, pulling electrons from the Queens’ chamber toward the peak of the pyramid.
Has the Function of the Great Pyramid of Giza Finally Come to Light? | Ancient Origins

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Khafre’s pyramid contains intrusive tunnels created by tomb robbers but would show a far weaker electromagnetic field enhancement than Khufu’s because it lacks internal chambers and therefore dielectric discontinuities which cannot support internal standing-wave resonant modes.

I don't know. Do a paper on it. It may be each pyramid had a different function or Khufu’s pyramid was an upgrade.

If the ancient Egyptians were aware of the physics they would not have constructed Khafre’s pyramid with the internal chamber below the pyramid where enhancements would have been negligible.

Then write a paper on this. It seems you can make these claims as though they are fact. All I know is the more data we get the more we will understand. I don't think each pyramid was designed as a tomb and for the same purposes. But each is designed for a purpose beyond the tomb. Its silly to think a massive structure is just for a tomb. Or that one pharoah needs three tombs.

We know there are irrigation channels and even copper piping and shafts that had a purpose. The small shafts inside the Great pyramid are said to be tunnels for the pharoahs spirit to escape. The large Kiln in the Red pyramid is said to be a building error when it shows burn marks on stones and was used as part of some chemical process. The ammonia stench is said to be bat droppings when there are no bats. The evidence is building.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Once again this fixation on words and their meaning as creating the entire meaning of what someone says. Look at the word in its context. I stated this testing supported further testing which was the onsite tests.

I agreed it was a similation and thats what the word 'test' was referring to. Please read the 'word' in the context of the sentence they are written in.

Ok so I will apply the same logic to your claim. You objection holds not weight as its just a popular comment on a social media thread. I would rather believe the popular scientfic write-up than someones personal opinion on a social media thread.

Popular scientific write-ups, are attempts to make the original article approachable to the general public, I can read the actual article why should I care about the popular version.

But it was not just the popular science article that was making these claims was it. It was the actual scientists. Scientists (not the article) concluded the Pyramid may have been a gigantic resonator that was designed to trap electromagnetic waves.

May have been...

I don't know, isnt that what the tests are for. The fact is they have found good theorectical reasons to do further tests. There have been a number of theorectical studies that tell us there is good reason.

So link the experimentally verified results when they are done then.

Even if the Egyptians did not purposely build the pyramids for generating any effects. Its still worth the investigation by the fact that effects are theorised by the modelling. They claim this can teach us something. Your actually contradicting science now by denying the idea of persuing further investigation when the theory supports it.

I'm perfectly fine with anybody doing experiments. What gave you the idea that I would find that troublesome? I want them to publish thier results in scientific journals.

But wait. Did not some of the tests happen on site in the pyramids.
Scientists blasted the 4,600-year-old structure with electromagnetic waves, a form of radiation that travel though the universe, finding it focused and amplified the energy into specific chambers and around the base.

It refers back to the same 2018 simulation study, this is why you shouldn't take scientific reporting from the Daily Mail.

But there was also actual tests done in the pyramids that show that it concentrated energy into the chambers. Its no longer theorectical.

Link that article then.

The made a couple of assumptions and all science does. They did not just assume limestone. They also accounted for the pink granite in the chambers and shafts.

Flat out wrong. In the simulation study about electromagnetic waves they didn't.

This stone has high piezoelectric effect under pressure. Its the position of the chambers, shafts and stones that generate the concentratede effect in the Kings chamber. The quartz crystals in pink granite is known for its high piezoelectric effect.

Don't mix up those who are talking about piezoelectric effects with the electromagnetic waves.

But its not just the stones. Its also the location of the pyramids themselves on a high electromagnetic location. Over a minreal rich natural subterrainian water way deposit. All this is not just some coincident and accident. The Egyptians were chemists and physicists as well in their own way.

Do you have an maps showing areas with "high electromagnetic"?

As the scientists who did the research said and not popular science "Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists."

This is about the proposed plaster, why would you refer to it in this context about electromagnetic properties on the macroscale?

Not that particular research but other research has establish the influence of the location on potential advanced knowledge of nature.

Development of Sulfuric Acid Speleogenetic Deposits within Cavernous Middle Eocene Beds: Inference on Hydrocarbon Gas Seepages, Giza Pyramids Plateau, Egypt
https://www.researchgate.net/public...rbon_Gas_Seepages_Giza_Pyramids_Plateau_Egypt

Relevant how?

The Great Pyramid of Giza: A Modern View on Ancient Knowledge, Air and Fire – Part II
The Great Pyramid of Giza: A Modern View on Ancient Knowledge, Air and Fire – Part II | Ancient Origins

Link the journal article instead if you got it.

Why is it that skeptics are so eaher to minimise everything. They did way more than just test its shape. They were able tyo get new tech from it that can have real world effects.

Read the article. Antenna construction is interesting but there was nothing new learnt about it from that study, how do you think they have constructed the program calculating the effects on the electromagnetic field?

Its become a a tool to deny scientific ideas that don't conform to the orthodoxy in some cases. Some ideas don't even get through the front door. They are deemed unreal before peer review. Some non peer review science has shown peer review as wrong.

If that is true then it usually gets picked up sooner or later.

But you do so without the same standards you demand of those proposing alternative ideas. You demand of them peer review while claiming them wrong wroung without peer review. Its double standards.

No, your claim. You prove it.

First the high Piezoelectric effect in granite has already been verified. So its logical that a concentration of granite in the chambers is going to cause a higher Piezoelectric effect.

Higher than what? Limestone? Limestone was assumed in the of the radiowave calculation. They didn't use granite in their calculations.

From memory the shafts were also granite. Its whether they knew this and made it so to concentrate the effect in the chambers. .

Granite was not modeled in the calculations.

Experimental results of the piezoelectric activity of quartzose rocks

https://library.seg.org/doi/abs/10.1190/1.1892893?download=true

Yes, this known but it has zero to do with the pyramids.

Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics

Electromagnetic Properties of Pyramids from Positions of Photonics - Russian Physics Journal

The choice of the operating wavelength of electromagnetic radiation is justified for a pyramid considered as an antenna. It is shown that due to the strong dispersion of the refractive index of the pyramid material, there will always be a part of the spectral range, in which the refractive index...

link.springer.com

Now your mixing electromagnetic and piezoelectric again. This is just another simulation of the pyramids as antennas for electromagnetic waves. They also model the pyramid as a single monolith (they don't even use any chambers)

Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/jap/article-abstract/124/3/034903/156109/Electromagnetic-properties-of-the-Great-Pyramid?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Now your mixing electromagnetic and piezoelectric again. This is the same article we have been discussing for a couple of posts now.

Thats what all the articles on the Piezoelectric effects of the pyramids are trying to find out.

And the articles actually studied the piezoelectric properties of the pyramids? Who has actually measured the electric power generated by the pyramids?

Not sure if we are at the peer review stage yet. Still there is good science behind the idea.

The Overall Science behind the Pyramid
The generation of electricity requires the pyramid to vibrate always. Hence the location at which the electromagnetic waves are more on the surface of the globe are chosen to be the perfect sites for the pyramid. For example, the pyramid at Giza is standing on the underwater currents of the river Nile plus on a location where high electromagnetic flux lines can be measured and felt. This provides the vibrations required for the crystals to vibrate at all times. And Graphite rods are connected to the pyramid floors made of diamagnetic granites.[4] The figure below illustrates the ionic emission at the apex.

The Overall Science behind the Pyramid – IJERT

The Overall Science behind the Pyramid - written by K. S. Vishwanath Vashisht published on 2016/11/03 download full article with reference data and citations

www.ijert.org

There is no original research in this article, it is at best a speculative review.

Yes and when I show it its dismissed without the same level of peer review.

I'm critical about your claims. If you are critical about someone else's claims ask them for corroborating evidence.

Here we go with word meanings. So if I find a word that means 'assurity' rather than suggest then logically that would mean the findings are definite.

So when the article says 'Barsoum (the lead scientists) 'the outer casing stones were indeed consistent with a reconstituted limestone'. The the word 'indeed' means they definitely found that the casing stones were made of reconsituted limestone.

... were indeed consistent with with a reconstituted limestone.

What about "electron microscope analysis indicates the Egyptians used diatomaceous earth, a naturally occurring, commonly found soft sedimentary rock". Not (suggests) but definietly used diatomaceous earth in the mixture that was found in the samples of casing stones.

... indicates the Egyptians used...

So more tests need to be done rather than dismiss it as conspiracy or psuedoscience.

I just point out that the peer-reviewed articles don't support your claims (some times even your claims about the articles themselves, such as that the permittivity of anything but limestone was used in the calculations).

I don't know. I think you would need way more stones tested to gather enough data to determine this.

There was no (statistical) hypothesis testing. So they can't say how likely or unlikely the observed patterns were. Which makes your claim of near impossible nonsense.

Can you see the lip at the bottom as though the soft mixture spread into a gap between the blocks. This was not the result of grinding the block away to create a protruding lip. We see much evidence of this signature. I have linked them earlier. Why is it now you only recognise them.

What do you believe that I am recognizing? What are you talking about? Why can't that be remains of abrasive cut?

Yes an advanced cement that is revealing an advanced tech that we are recognising 4,500 years later. The advanced knowledge keeps getting pushed back earlier and earlier.

It is not even clear that the best explanation is reconstituted limestone yet.

Thats ok but like I said a social media platform is not a good place to make the case and especially make claims about existing peer review or even scientific reports or research that has been published. At least these make full article with the process linked out and tests done. I have not seen this yet and if I do then I will include it.

Because of the accumulation of data pointing that way. At the very least to do further investigation. You have to remember that these ideas and findings have only come in the past decade or so because the tech has improved. We are really only beginning to understand the level of knowledge and tech involved with the ancient Egyptians.

I'm perfectly fine with people investigating what ever interests them, but I want the rigour of the scientific process to be used and that includes peer-review.

It depends. As shown there are a few in mainstream journals. There are a fair few Russian journals lol. But there are a fair few good scientfific papers that are not yet peer reviewed. But as a total I don;t think there are many articles done full stop. I don't think many have even been submitted at all.

So why do you claim that they are unfairly refused then? If you don't have any data.

Its still seen as fringe so it has a long way to go before being accepted by the mainstream. I think perhaps the area of natural energies may lead to more research into the Egyptians ancient worls as is happening now. We have a long history of seeing the pyramids as being something more than just a tomb. Now we have the tech to find out. Watch this space I reckon.

Time will tell.

 

[sjastro]

But the pyramids are extra special. They have some mean acoustics. But also the whole setup within an electromagnetically active location. It all seems to add up to a combination of factors that are being utilised to generate Piezoelectric effects.

Yes thats why I say its the combination of the location of the pyramids within a high electromagentic region and the specific layout of shafts, vents and chambers in granite and the different stones to concentrate the energy. The particular exterior of high reflective stone, the Gold plated cap stone. The subterrainian water ways with righ minerals conducive of quartz crystals. Its the specific combination of these factors.

I mean all your doing is giving your personnal take on this.

Thats only if you assume each pyramid was used for the same purpose. Or that one was not an improvement on the other as part of an experiment to perfect the best energy creation.

As you are giving your opinion here are opinions from others. Why is your opinion more truthful than others.

King's and Queen's Chambers
A simple galvanic cell uses metallic native elements having varying electrical potentials (anodes and cathodes) that transfer electrons when placed apart in baths of their own salt solutions and interconnected by conductive metal wiring for the electron exchange (fig. 6).

In the Great Pyramid, the copper (Cu) anode gives up electrons to the gold (Au) cathode having an electrical potential roughly three times higher (fig. 6) . Copper wire was historically reported to have been found on the floor of the salt-encrusted Queen's chamber upon breeching. 2021 Giza Pyramids Science and Engineering

Ancient Egyptians closely observed the night sky for agricultural purposes, and the pyramids' relationship with the heavens during the Old Kingdom era suggests a deliberate correlation.

Various scientific studies have also explored the pyramid's ability to concentrate electromagnetic energy. Researchers have observed that radio waves within specific resonant lengths are concentrated within the pyramid's chambers and base. These findings support the idea that the pyramids may have functioned as power-generating machines.
The Pyramids: Unveiling Nikola Tesla's Bone-Chilling Revelation

Nummulitic limestone from the Abu Rawash area was analyzed by the National Research Center of Cairo. It was found its conductance improves at higher frequency - to the point where it is exceptional. If the conductivity of a material needs to be about 600 Tera Hz, in addition to structurally strong, there could not be better material than limestone.

The Great Pyramid is located at the geographical center of Earth, as noticed by Charles Smyth and reported in this book “Our Inheritance in the Great Pyramid” in 1864. The fact that the geographical center of Earth is at the location of the Great Pyramid is startling. Now, for a structure to emit high frequency radiation (which is really light), it must be surrounded by a large land mass.

The purpose of the King’s chamber was to collect all free electrons produced in the Queen’s chamber and push those toward the top of the pyramid. The granite beams in the King’s chamber are made of red granite, which has high crystal content when exposed to vibration and creates an electric field, pulling electrons from the Queens’ chamber toward the peak of the pyramid.
Has the Function of the Great Pyramid of Giza Finally Come to Light? | Ancient Origins

I don't know. Do a paper on it. It may be each pyramid had a different function or Khufu’s pyramid was an upgrade.

Then write a paper on this. It seems you can make these claims as though they are fact. All I know is the more data we get the more we will understand. I don't think each pyramid was designed as a tomb and for the same purposes. But each is designed for a purpose beyond the tomb. Its silly to think a massive structure is just for a tomb. Or that one pharoah needs three tombs.

We know there are irrigation channels and even copper piping and shafts that had a purpose. The small shafts inside the Great pyramid are said to be tunnels for the pharoahs spirit to escape. The large Kiln in the Red pyramid is said to be a building error when it shows burn marks on stones and was used as part of some chemical process. The ammonia stench is said to be bat droppings when there are no bats. The evidence is building.

Once again your lack of comprehension skills and wilful ignorance comes to the fore.
My response was to the phy.org article you posted which is based on a peer reviewed paper with the following abstract.

“Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200–600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction and scattering cross sections include resonant features associated with excitation of the Pyramid's electromagnetic dipole and quadrupole moments. Electromagnetic field distributions inside the Pyramid at the resonant conditions are demonstrated and discussed for two cases, when the Pyramid is located in a homogeneous space or on a substrate. It is revealed that the Pyramid's chambers can collect and concentrate electromagnetic energy for the both surrounding conditions. In the case of the Pyramid on the substrate, at the shorter wavelengths, the electromagnetic energy accumulates in the chambers providing local spectral maxima for electric and magnetic fields. It is shown that basically the Pyramid scatters the electromagnetic waves and focuses them into the substrate region. The spectral dependence of the focusing effect is discussed.”

I realise this is well beyond your intellectual capacity but I did provide an elementary explanation of how the interior chambers could collect and store electromagnetic in terms of constructive interference between the reflected standing electromagnetic waves and the incident waves.

Using the abstract to interpret, GPT-5 gave a more technical explanation.

Technical Interpretation​

The study models the Great Pyramid as a dielectric object interacting with long-wavelength radio-frequency electromagnetic waves (λ ≈ 200–600 m). Using numerical simulations and multipole analysis, the authors investigate how the pyramid supports weak resonant modes under external illumination.

1. Resonant response and multipole behaviour​

The simulations show that the pyramid exhibits dipole and quadrupole scattering features—standard multipole modes that occur when electromagnetic waves induce oscillating charge and current distributions within a large dielectric structure.
These modes appear as resonant peaks in the extinction and scattering cross-section spectra.

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2. Field distributions and chamber interactions​

For both simulated cases—(a) in homogeneous space and (b) resting on a substrate—the study generates electromagnetic field intensity maps inside the pyramid.
These show that the internal chambers function as small cavities that alter the local field pattern.

Inside these chambers, the incident and internally scattered waves undergo:

• constructive reinforcement, creating localized maxima in electric or magnetic fields
• destructive reinforcement (cancellation), creating localized minima

This behaviour arises purely from interference caused by the chamber geometries and boundary conditions.

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3. Wavelength dependence and chamber effects​

At shorter wavelengths within the studied range, the chamber sizes become relatively more significant.
Under these conditions, the interference between incident, reflected, and scattered waves becomes more pronounced, producing:

• sharper local maxima where constructive interference dominates
• pronounced nulls where destructive interference occurs

These effects appear as localized field patterns rather than strong global resonances.

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4. Scattering and focusing into the substrate​

The simulations also show that the pyramid, as a large dielectric object, redistributes incident electromagnetic fields.
At certain wavelengths, constructive interference results in a higher concentration of field intensity in the region beneath the pyramid (the substrate).

This behaviour is consistent with standard electromagnetic scattering from a dielectric structure of similar shape and size.

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Summary​

• The pyramid exhibits dipole and quadrupole scattering resonances when illuminated by long-wavelength RF fields.
• The internal chambers modify the field distribution through constructive and destructive interference.
• Localized peaks and nulls form inside the chambers due to geometric cavity effects.
• The pyramid passively scatters and redistributes external RF fields, sometimes concentrating them in the substrate due to interference patterns.

If you want, I can also explain how these interference patterns compare to those in cavity resonators or provide a diagram.

Since Khafre’s pyramid does not have any interior chambers, it would behave differently to Khufu’s Great Pyramid.

The authors are not suggesting the ancient Egyptians were aware of this nor your idiotic references such as the Great Pyramid being a DC power generator or piezoelectricity being involved.
Since you are incapable of understanding even simple science you will gullibly accept any rubbish which fuels your confirmation bias.

 

[jonojim1337]

If your history doesn’t include giants and dragons, it’s simply wrong.

 

[AV1611VET]

If your history doesn’t include giants and dragons, it’s simply wrong.

Amen!

Not to mention satyrs and unicorns.

 

[Hans Blaster]

The made a couple of assumptions and all science does. They did not just assume limestone. They also accounted for the pink granite in the chambers and shafts.

This stone has high piezoelectric effect under pressure. Its the position of the chambers, shafts and stones that generate the concentratede effect in the Kings chamber. The quartz crystals in pink granite is known for its high piezoelectric effect.

Piezoelectric effects come from the crystal structure. The effects can't be added or concentrated unless the crystals were aligned and connected electrically. Granite is filled with crystals of random orientation. The piezoelectric effects can't be "concentrated".

But its not just the stones. Its also the location of the pyramids themselves on a high electromagnetic location. Over a minreal rich natural subterrainian water way deposit. All this is not just some coincident and accident. The Egyptians were chemists and physicists as well in their own way.

Rocks are make of minerals Steve.

As the scientists who did the research said and not popular science "Ancient Egyptians were the original--albeit unknowing--nanotechnologists."

Which was a silly thing to say. I'm not even sure who said this or in what context, but there are two possibilities given the long conversation we've had with you.

1. The modeling of the long EM wave response to the giant pile of limestone blocks as an inspiration to build nano-pyramids. Even if everything you've quoted about Egyptians making a EM focusing device was true (and it almost certainly is not), it still wouldn't make the Egyptians "nanotechnologists", but "macrotechnologists". Therefore calling Egyptians "nanotechnologists" is silly.

2. Many composite materials contain small amounts of nanoparticles that have outsized effects on their properties, which is part of what "nanotechnology" is about when done deliberately. (There was a story about a odd glass I saw recently that contained nanoparticles that gave it peculiar properties, but the ancient makers had no idea about them and only knew that a particular set of inputs and procedures could result in it.) If Egyptian materials had "nanoparticles" in them, it was accidental and not knowingly. At best they were "accidental" nanotechnologists, but to call them that is silly.

 

[stevevw]

Popular scientific write-ups, are attempts to make the original article approachable to the general public, I can read the actual article why should I care about the popular version.

Then the same logic applies to your social media comments. Why should I or anyone care or take seriously someones coments on a social media platform.

May have been...

Once again the fixation on single words making the entire meaning. So if I find a word that means 'definite' then you are defeated. See how silly it is. Please read the word its context.

But evenso. If we take your word meaning. This still means we should be treating the findings as correct until proven otherwise. They are the first step towards confirming a hypothesis. You don't then reject the findings out of hand as conspiracy as some are doing.

I am pretty sure you said that there is no way the casing stones were cast. Or that the evidence in no ways shows this. Yet ehere we have preliminary findings that suggest we do. This is the kind of completel and extreme rejection that is not coming from science but persnal belief.

So link the experimentally verified results when they are done then.

Ok and in the mean time people should stop rejecting the preliminary findsings as conspiracy or psuedoscience.

I'm perfectly fine with anybody doing experiments. What gave you the idea that I would find that troublesome? I want them to publish thier results in scientific journals.

Oh maybe the language that people used to completely reject those experiments as quackery or just not treat them as science at all as part of the process. The experiments of those who happen to find a different answer are rejected as qauckery simply because they contradict the orthodoxy.

It refers back to the same 2018 simulation study, this is why you shouldn't take scientific reporting from the Daily Mail.

The daily mail is saying the same thing as Phy.org science news who is saying the same thing as the scientists. They just put it in everyday language.

Link that article then.

We have tests done in the Giza pyramid to determine the resonant frequency that is concentrated into the KIngs chamber. We have physical tests that show how certain stones and dimensions cause the Piezoelectric effects. This is fact. So modelled on a hypothetical structure is fact until proven wrong.

The Kings Chamber dimensions, which measure approximately 10.47 meters in length, 5.23 meters in width, and 5.81 meters in height, are also thought to have been chosen specifically to create a resonant frequency of around 117 Hz.

The precise frequency of 117 Hz has been identified through more modern methods, such as the use of sensitive microphones and spectrum analysers.

https://www.scienceopen.com/document_file/5059a30d-dce1-47a6-8089-e6f916b4c59a/ScienceOpen/247_Smith_EVA23.pdf#:~:text=The%20Kings%20Chamber%20dimensions%2C%20which%20measure%20approximately,use%20of%20sensitive%20microphones%20and%20spectrum%20analysers.

Flat out wrong. In the simulation study about electromagnetic waves they didn't.

I thought it was also the quartz in the stone and especially the granite was also what contributed to the resonance. Anyway other tests have shown this to be the vase. For example if you built the pyramid out of wood or plastic you will not get the same effect.

Don't mix up those who are talking about piezoelectric effects with the electromagnetic waves.

Ok, I am basing this on the material of the pyramid and stones. That certain material has a higher electromagnetic and piezoelectric effects that others. Either way it seems the pyramids have an effect on both.

Do you have an maps showing areas with "high electromagnetic"?

Why, what the science already tells us.

This is about the proposed plaster, why would you refer to it in this context about electromagnetic properties on the macroscale?

So a case of replying straight to the quote rather than checking what it was referring to. As we have been talking about both issues I assumed lol.

Relevant how?

Relevent to possible advanced knowledge and other ways the pyramids were used besides a tomb.

Link the journal article instead if you got it.

In 1952, Winfried Otto Schumann (1888-1974), a German professor of physics, discovered that resonating electromagnetic waves with a frequency of around 8 hertz could be measured in the Earth's atmosphere. This natural phenomenon is called the Schumann resonance frequency and mainly occurs when electricity discharges in the so-called 'closed waveguide' between the Earth's surface and the ionosphere. The predominant standing wave of this low frequency resonance effect has a frequency of 7.83 hertz.

Earth's resonance at Giza: The specific latitude of the Great Pyramid results in a fundamental Schumann resonance frequency of approximately
8.1 Hz. King's Chamber resonance: The King's Chamber was constructed to have a resonant frequency of 16.2 Hz which is the second harmonic (or octave) of the 8.1 Hz frequency.

2. SIGNIFICANCE The significance of the study and its relevance to the wider field of archaeology and acoustics can be summarised by the discovery of archaeoacoustic frequency signatures in multiple locations in Upper and Lower Egypt. For space to be designed and built and present specific resonance it would be not only require highly detailed construction, but it also leads to a level of understanding of sound frequency beyond even our contemporary levels today.

https://www.scienceopen.com/document_file/5059a30d-dce1-47a6-8089-e6f916b4c59a/ScienceOpen/247_Smith_EVA23.pdf

Read the article. Antenna construction is interesting but there was nothing new learnt about it from that study, how do you think they have constructed the program calculating the effects on the electromagnetic field?

I am pretty sure they said that now the findings from the reserach can be applied to nano tech. They learnt something from the simulations. Plus this is theorectical science and this is common in how theories are supported. Many hypothesis are based on theorectical tests that simulate the real thing. Its part of science.

If that is true then it usually gets picked up sooner or later.

Yes eventually and if we look at the history we will see proven ideas being rejected by the mainstream. Thats whats called a paradigm shift. It doesn't come easy and theres resistence. But eventually the evidence builds up that it can no longer be denied. That is exactly what all these investigations are doing.

No, your claim. You prove it.

Lol I am saying I am supporting this with the science. But you are denying it without the science at all. You can call the findings and words "maybe" and dismiss them. You can make a counter claim that its not proving anything.

But you never supply any scientific papers or even scientific articles published to9 counter this. Just your own opinion which you somehow have elevated to the status of peer review. As though just making a counter claim on a social media site is good enough to refute the scientific articles from those who have actually done the tests and analysis. .

Higher than what? Limestone? Limestone was assumed in the of the radiowave calculation. They didn't use granite in their calculations.

Ok but other tests have and they also support that the granite chambers and the particular makeup of the stones have high quartz content makes it more conducive of resonance under certain conditions.

When we put the reserach together we not only have an entire object supporting a concentration of electromagnetic effects but the specific material used in the object also supporting the piezoelectric effects material.

Yes, this known but it has zero to do with the pyramids.

Why. If some material holds a better piezoelectric effects like granite and there is granite used in specific ways then it stands to reason the materials are going to influence what effects are created overall. Especially within the granite parts of the pyramid.

Acoustic testing in the granite chambers has been found and it magnifies from chamber to chamber. It is the resonance for the granite as it has a specific resonance.

Now your mixing electromagnetic and piezoelectric again. This is just another simulation of the pyramids as antennas for electromagnetic waves. They also model the pyramid as a single monolith (they don't even use any chambers)

You honestly believe that the piezoelectric effect has no influence on how the electromagnetic waves are scattered within the pyramid under certain conditions.

Now your mixing electromagnetic and piezoelectric again. This is the same article we have been discussing for a couple of posts now.

It is shown that due to the strong dispersion of the refractive index of the pyramid material, there will always be a part of the spectral range, in which the refractive index corresponds to the condition of electromagnetic wave localization (the photonic jet phenomenon).

And the articles actually studied the piezoelectric properties of the pyramids? Who has actually measured the electric power generated by the pyramids?

Lets just work out what what has been found first. Electrical energy is one of the effects proposed. To what extent is the next step. But that forms of energy are being generated is enough for us to investigate further that the Egyptians may have harnessed this is some ways for practical applications.

Its that you and skeptics don't even believe than anything was generated is the first problem let along that there may have been specific applications.

But we do have some indirect evidence signatures that point to messing around with chemistry and physics.

There is no original research in this article, it is at best a speculative review.

Ok so we don't need verification to know that crystal oscillators are capable of producing electro motive force when vibrated and Quartz is a naturally obtained crystal. The pyramids and works are full of this material. When used in specific ways they will produce certain effects.

The generation of electricity requires the pyramid to vibrate always. Hence the location at which the electromagnetic waves are more on the surface of the globe are chosen to be the perfect sites for the pyramid. The very shape of the pyramid is an amplified receiver or resonator of various kinds of energy fields.

What about this is false. You do realise that there was a reference list to the science.

I'm critical about your claims. If you are critical about someone else's claims ask them for corroborating evidence.

I should not have to. If they are refuting the science then it stands to reason that the science must be refuted with science epistemically. Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose and we are mixing social media opinions with the science.

... were indeed consistent with with a reconstituted limestone.

Yes consistent and not inconsistent. Indeed consistent is defintely consistent with reconstituted limestone. If you want to play word games. Its as close as a scientists will get to saying abosutely the case.

Science just works that way where it never claims a truth. Its just consistent with observations and data. Thats as best as you will get for any science. Your playing semantics. You would never do this with any words that supported your views lol.

... indicates the Egyptians used...

Your fixation on words as being the truth has blinded you to the fact that diatomaceous earth was added to the mix. Its not a natural substance in limestone. Its impossible for it to be in the limestones lol. So yes in the context 'indicates' means definitely added to the mix.

I just point out that the peer-reviewed articles don't support your claims (some times even your claims about the articles themselves, such as that the permittivity of anything but limestone was used in the calculations).

No your playing skeptic games to the point of cynnacism. You look for loopholes to undermine the findings. Even use words are the complete meaning of the findinds. So long as it undermines the findings. The aim is to discredit the sources which included the good scientists and researchers and the sources they come from because they don't meet your approval of what a good source is.

There was no (statistical) hypothesis testing. So they can't say how likely or unlikely the observed patterns were. Which makes your claim of near impossible nonsense.

Wait a minute. If you then add the other bits of evidence such as the non natural substances added into the mix tested and the precision joins where youy can't fit a human hair into. Or the over spills of softened stone. The lack of credible evidence that the Egyptians actually cut and chiseled the stones and the fact that the logistically impossibility of getting massive stones some 450 feet in the air.

Then the findings start to look more likely that are on to something. What you are doing is fixating once again on specific like words. On this occassion one aspect of the whole investigation. But when we put it in context and include all the lines of evidence it takes a completely different context.

What do you believe that I am recognizing? What are you talking about? Why can't that be remains of abrasive cut?

Lol of course. They cut the same block to look like an overspill of leaking soft stone. Tell me on what basis would they make such a cut and overlap. Have you not seen the other overspills of softened stone I showed you. Are you going to rationalise every single out of place shape to the magic of sheer pounding and cutting as the go to cop out of explanation.

Now show me the scientific evidence that its a chisel or cut mark from a chisel or saw. Lets apply the same standard to your claim.

It is not even clear that the best explanation is reconstituted limestone yet.

Its a better one that everything is the product of pounding, using small primitive saws and rubbing stone in shape lol. It certainly on preliminary results supports stone casting than chiseling.

I'm perfectly fine with people investigating what ever interests them, but I want the rigour of the scientific process to be used and that includes peer-review.

HUm yet you never point out when others who attack the evidence presented without one bit of rigor. Its double standards I tell you lol.

So why do you claim that they are unfairly refused then? If you don't have any data.

Because they are using peer review as a sledge hammer to reject any alternative views. Its not that peer review is no a good/ Its that its elevated by some was almost a godlike status. Its not and its be known to gatekeep info and alternative ideas that threaten the orthodoxy. Or the reputations and funding of those who have spent a lifetime defending the orthodoxy.

Its because those demanding the peer review do not apply the same standards across the board. When people attack the sources even before the content is investigated you know its more than science but belief. .

Time will tell.

Yes as always. But in the mean time good science is being open to all ideas and giving them the same status as ideas that fall within the orthodoxy but may not yet be verified. Not just automatically reject them becuase they are different and may question the orthodoxy.

 

[stevevw]

Piezoelectric effects come from the crystal structure. The effects can't be added or concentrated unless the crystals were aligned and connected electrically. Granite is filled with crystals of random orientation. The piezoelectric effects can't be "concentrated".

That seems to contradict the idea that granite has a higher piezoelectric effect. So if there is a concentration of granite in the chambers then there will be a higher piezoelectric effect in those chambers by the fact there is a higher concentration of granite in the chambers lol.

Is not that te reason the granite is filled with crystals as opposed to other stones or material. So therefore potentially it can be tapped into under certain conditions. I assume the acoustic resonance tests are to do with certain sound frequencies as one way that may tap into the osiliations and change them.

Rocks are make of minerals Steve.

Yes and the rocks in the subterrainian caverns under the pyramids are rich in minerals which cause certain chemical reactions. Discoveries have shown that the rocks contain an abundence of crystals. Once again a location conducive for potential naturally occurring piezoelectric effects. Its no coincidence that the Egyptians chose such a location instead of some barren location with nothing but bedrock.

Which was a silly thing to say. I'm not even sure who said this or in what context, but there are two possibilities given the long conversation we've had with you.

The scientist who was heading the research said it and its not a silly thing to say. In your perspnal opinion its a silly thing to say. But not everyone agrees with you.

1. The modeling of the long EM wave response to the giant pile of limestone blocks as an inspiration to build nano-pyramids. Even if everything you've quoted about Egyptians making a EM focusing device was true (and it almost certainly is not),

Can you show me the peer reviewed science that shows it "certainly is not". Once again absolute words require absolute science.

it still wouldn't make the Egyptians "nanotechnologists", but "macrotechnologists". Therefore calling Egyptians "nanotechnologists" is silly.

Once again your personal unqualified opinion. If the researchers can develop nanotech from the Egyptians knowledge then it is from that knowledge that the nanotech came from. That gave the insight in the first place. Without it the discovery would not have happened. Or at least when it did.

But even if we call the Egyptians Macro techs its still advanced compared to the othodoxy that will have the poor Egyptians slaving away the hard way all day long in the hot sun 24/7 with primitive pounders and tools lol. Just like the stone casting where its made out to just be cement and nothing spcial to see here.

It takes cement making back a good 1,000 years. But it appears the Egyptian cement is far superior and has lasted nearly 5,000 years that it can fool archeologists for being the real stone lol. Marvelling at how tight they got those joins. Proposing they must have spend even more time on rubbing them away to get such precision.

Every effort made to turn every example of advanced knowledge into nothing special so that it aligns with the orthodoxy.

2. Many composite materials contain small amounts of nanoparticles that have outsized effects on their properties, which is part of what "nanotechnology" is about when done deliberately. (There was a story about a odd glass I saw recently that contained nanoparticles that gave it peculiar properties, but the ancient makers had no idea about them and only knew that a particular set of inputs and procedures could result in it.) If Egyptian materials had "nanoparticles" in them, it was accidental and not knowingly. At best they were "accidental" nanotechnologists, but to call them that is silly.

Yeah just a bunch of accidental coincidences that keep piling up lol.

I agree I don't think the ancients had any idea of what they were doing from a academic point of view. They were immersed in nature so what they experiences and discovered came from a completely different paradigm of knowledge. Yet it still was messing around with nature, chemistry, physics ect and may have been more advanced than where we are at.

Almost like a back door to what science is trying to work out. Just a different way of knowing in how they got there to understand nature and then create conditions that best utilised that.

That is why I think just about everything they did had a reason connected with nature and reality. Because that is where they were at. They did not have all the accumulated enlightenment. Just themselves experiencing nature and reality directly through copnscious experiences which revealed deeper insights into reality. Not just accidents or coincidents. I don't think your appreciating the ancients ability.

 

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Then the same logic applies to your social media comments. Why should I or anyone care or take seriously someones coments on a social media platform.

Feel free to disregard them, if you want to. I'll keep pointing out your overinterpretations either way.

Once again the fixation on single words making the entire meaning. So if I find a word that means 'definite' then you are defeated. See how silly it is. Please read the word its context.

I did, have you yet read the 2018 simulation study? Or the new russian one?

But evenso. If we take your word meaning. This still means we should be treating the findings as correct until proven otherwise. They are the first step towards confirming a hypothesis. You don't then reject the findings out of hand as conspiracy as some are doing.

No, I'm not dismissing any findings that have been peer-reviewed have I?

I am pretty sure you said that there is no way the casing stones were cast.

Show it!

Or that the evidence in no ways shows this. Yet ehere we have preliminary findings that suggest we do. This is the kind of completel and extreme rejection that is not coming from science but persnal belief.

Show it!

Ok and in the mean time people should stop rejecting the preliminary findsings as conspiracy or psuedoscience.

Oh maybe the language that people used to completely reject those experiments as quackery or just not treat them as science at all as part of the process. The experiments of those who happen to find a different answer are rejected as qauckery simply because they contradict the orthodoxy.

The daily mail is saying the same thing as Phy.org science news who is saying the same thing as the scientists. They just put it in everyday language.

Read the article! They bombarded the theoretical model, no measurements was used in that article, the 2018 article is the one they refer to!

We have tests done in the Giza pyramid to determine the resonant frequency that is concentrated into the KIngs chamber. We have physical tests that show how certain stones and dimensions cause the Piezoelectric effects. This is fact. So modelled on a hypothetical structure is fact until proven wrong.

The Kings Chamber dimensions, which measure approximately 10.47 meters in length, 5.23 meters in width, and 5.81 meters in height, are also thought to have been chosen specifically to create a resonant frequency of around 117 Hz.

The precise frequency of 117 Hz has been identified through more modern methods, such as the use of sensitive microphones and spectrum analysers.

https://www.scienceopen.com/document_file/5059a30d-dce1-47a6-8089-e6f916b4c59a/ScienceOpen/247_Smith_EVA23.pdf#:~:text=The%20Kings%20Chamber%20dimensions%2C%20which%20measure%20approximately,use%20of%20sensitive%20microphones%20and%20spectrum%20analysers.

This is an explanation of planned experiments not a results, they reference that the resonance frequency has been measured to 117 Hz, but in this same post you say that it is 16.2 Hz.

I thought it was also the quartz in the stone and especially the granite was also what contributed to the resonance. Anyway other tests have shown this to be the vase. For example if you built the pyramid out of wood or plastic you will not get the same effect.

Ok, I am basing this on the material of the pyramid and stones. That certain material has a higher electromagnetic and piezoelectric effects that others. Either way it seems the pyramids have an effect on both.

Why, what the science already tells us.

So a case of replying straight to the quote rather than checking what it was referring to. As we have been talking about both issues I assumed lol.

Relevent to possible advanced knowledge and other ways the pyramids were used besides a tomb.

In 1952, Winfried Otto Schumann (1888-1974), a German professor of physics, discovered that resonating electromagnetic waves with a frequency of around 8 hertz could be measured in the Earth's atmosphere. This natural phenomenon is called the Schumann resonance frequency and mainly occurs when electricity discharges in the so-called 'closed waveguide' between the Earth's surface and the ionosphere. The predominant standing wave of this low frequency resonance effect has a frequency of 7.83 hertz.

Earth's resonance at Giza: The specific latitude of the Great Pyramid results in a fundamental Schumann resonance frequency of approximately
8.1 Hz. King's Chamber resonance: The King's Chamber was constructed to have a resonant frequency of 16.2 Hz which is the second harmonic (or octave) of the 8.1 Hz frequency.

Is the resonance frequency 117 Hz or 16.2 Hz? Would the quartz crystals even vibrate at 16.2 Hz? Has somebody even measured if they do? This should be easy enough to test. The resonance frequency of the quartz crystals themselves depend on their size but it normally in a few 10 kHz (in watches they are 33 kHz IIRC).

2. SIGNIFICANCE The significance of the study and its relevance to the wider field of archaeology and acoustics can be summarised by the discovery of archaeoacoustic frequency signatures in multiple locations in Upper and Lower Egypt. For space to be designed and built and present specific resonance it would be not only require highly detailed construction, but it also leads to a level of understanding of sound frequency beyond even our contemporary levels today.

https://www.scienceopen.com/document_file/5059a30d-dce1-47a6-8089-e6f916b4c59a/ScienceOpen/247_Smith_EVA23.pdf

As I said they are describing what they plan to do. They have found anything yet. Did you read even this?

I am pretty sure they said that now the findings from the reserach can be applied to nano tech. They learnt something from the simulations. Plus this is theorectical science and this is common in how theories are supported. Many hypothesis are based on theorectical tests that simulate the real thing. Its part of science.

Yes eventually and if we look at the history we will see proven ideas being rejected by the mainstream. Thats whats called a paradigm shift. It doesn't come easy and theres resistence. But eventually the evidence builds up that it can no longer be denied. That is exactly what all these investigations are doing.

Lol I am saying I am supporting this with the science. But you are denying it without the science at all. You can call the findings and words "maybe" and dismiss them. You can make a counter claim that its not proving anything.

What counterclaim?

But you never supply any scientific papers or even scientific articles published to9 counter this. Just your own opinion which you somehow have elevated to the status of peer review.

Absolutely not, I am just critical in how YOU interpret what you reference.

As though just making a counter claim on a social media site is good enough to refute the scientific articles from those who have actually done the tests and analysis. .

What counterclaim are you referring to?

Ok but other tests have and they also support that the granite chambers and the particular makeup of the stones have high quartz content makes it more conducive of resonance under certain conditions.

When we put the reserach together we not only have an entire object supporting a concentration of electromagnetic effects but the specific material used in the object also supporting the piezoelectric effects material.

Why. If some material holds a better piezoelectric effects like granite and there is granite used in specific ways then it stands to reason the materials are going to influence what effects are created overall. Especially within the granite parts of the pyramid.

Sure, but have any actually made those calculations and published them?

Acoustic testing in the granite chambers has been found and it magnifies from chamber to chamber. It is the resonance for the granite as it has a specific resonance.

The quartz crystals themselves have a resonance frequency, but the resonance frequency of the chambers are determined by their dimensions (that is where the claim of 117 Hz come from). Which resonance frequency are we talking about here?

You honestly believe that the piezoelectric effect has no influence on how the electromagnetic waves are scattered within the pyramid under certain conditions.

Has anybody measured it or even simulated it? The two articles you've presented so far haven't. Sure, it is not entirely out of the question, but are their not only a relatively few blocks of granite when compared to the limestone? My guess is that is why they did put the assumption of limestone in the model.

It is shown that due to the strong dispersion of the refractive index of the pyramid material, there will always be a part of the spectral range, in which the refractive index corresponds to the condition of electromagnetic wave localization (the photonic jet phenomenon).

Lets just work out what what has been found first. Electrical energy is one of the effects proposed. To what extent is the next step. But that forms of energy are being generated is enough for us to investigate further that the Egyptians may have harnessed this is some ways for practical applications.

Has anybody showed that any energy even is generated?

Its that you and skeptics don't even believe than anything was generated is the first problem let along that there may have been specific applications.

But we do have some indirect evidence signatures that point to messing around with chemistry and physics.

Ok so we don't need verification to know that crystal oscillators are capable of producing electro motive force when vibrated and Quartz is a naturally obtained crystal. The pyramids and works are full of this material. When used in specific ways they will produce certain effects.

The generation of electricity requires the pyramid to vibrate always. Hence the location at which the electromagnetic waves are more on the surface of the globe are chosen to be the perfect sites for the pyramid.

Do you have a reference for this?

The very shape of the pyramid is an amplified receiver or resonator of various kinds of energy fields.

I know that calculations shows that radio waves might be impacted. I don't know if it actually happens.

What about this is false. You do realise that there was a reference list to the science.

I should not have to. If they are refuting the science then it stands to reason that the science must be refuted with science epistemically. Otherwise it defeats the whole purpose and we are mixing social media opinions with the science.

No, your claim, you prove it.

Yes consistent and not inconsistent. Indeed consistent is defintely consistent with reconstituted limestone. If you want to play word games. Its as close as a scientists will get to saying abosutely the case.

Science just works that way where it never claims a truth. Its just consistent with observations and data. Thats as best as you will get for any science. Your playing semantics. You would never do this with any words that supported your views lol.

Actually in genome-wide association studies, if p-values are low enough SNPs and traits are said to be associated, not just consistent with.

Your fixation on words as being the truth has blinded you to the fact that diatomaceous earth was added to the mix. Its not a natural substance in limestone. Its impossible for it to be in the limestones lol. So yes in the context 'indicates' means definitely added to the mix.

No, it doesn't. If you are only going to assert things, then I only need to assert things.

No your playing skeptic games to the point of cynnacism. You look for loopholes to undermine the findings. Even use words are the complete meaning of the findinds. So long as it undermines the findings. The aim is to discredit the sources which included the good scientists and researchers and the sources they come from because they don't meet your approval of what a good source is.

Wait a minute. If you then add the other bits of evidence such as the non natural substances added into the mix tested and the precision joins where youy can't fit a human hair into. Or the over spills of softened stone. The lack of credible evidence that the Egyptians actually cut and chiseled the stones and the fact that the logistically impossibility of getting massive stones some 450 feet in the air.

Then the findings start to look more likely that are on to something. What you are doing is fixating once again on specific like words. On this occassion one aspect of the whole investigation. But when we put it in context and include all the lines of evidence it takes a completely different context.

Without statistical testing, we don't have a measure on how probable something is.

Lol of course. They cut the same block to look like an overspill of leaking soft stone. Tell me on what basis would they make such a cut and overlap. Have you not seen the other overspills of softened stone I showed you. Are you going to rationalise every single out of place shape to the magic of sheer pounding and cutting as the go to cop out of explanation.

No, your claim, you prove it.

Now show me the scientific evidence that its a chisel or cut mark from a chisel or saw. Lets apply the same standard to your claim.

When did I make that claim? I have only said what they look like to me.

Its a better one that everything is the product of pounding, using small primitive saws and rubbing stone in shape lol. It certainly on preliminary results supports stone casting than chiseling.

How did you determine that it is better?

HUm yet you never point out when others who attack the evidence presented without one bit of rigor. Its double standards I tell you lol.

They normally don't quote my posts?

Because they are using peer review as a sledge hammer to reject any alternative views. Its not that peer review is no a good/ Its that its elevated by some was almost a godlike status. Its not and its be known to gatekeep info and alternative ideas that threaten the orthodoxy. Or the reputations and funding of those who have spent a lifetime defending the orthodoxy.

Its because those demanding the peer review do not apply the same standards across the board. When people attack the sources even before the content is investigated you know its more than science but belief. .

So why are they not sending their findings to the journals, are the getting unfairly refused or not? Have they even tried?

Yes as always. But in the mean time good science is being open to all ideas and giving them the same status as ideas that fall within the orthodoxy but may not yet be verified. Not just automatically reject them becuase they are different and may question the orthodoxy.

 

[stevevw]

Once again your lack of comprehension skills and wilful ignorance comes to the fore.
My response was to the phy.org article you posted which is based on a peer reviewed paper with the following abstract.

Actually it wasn't. When you claimed "With regards to the nonsense of the ancient Egyptians using pyramids to 'focus or amplify' electromagnetic energy" and "It is blatantly obvious the ancient Egyptians were completely unaware of the physics"

Then this opens the door for all the evidence. The phy.org article is repeated in a number of other science sites. I am quoting the scientists words and not the websites opinion.

You made the claim that the Egyptians had no idea of what they were doing and that any evidence that shows some advanced stuff going on is just mere accident. So this opens the door for all articles and I linked them and now you reject them as not relevant.

I realise this is well beyond your intellectual capacity but I did provide an elementary explanation of how the interior chambers could collect and store electromagnetic in terms of constructive interference between the reflected standing electromagnetic waves and the incident waves.

Yes sorry I did not read that. Can you link the source. I understand this though.

Using the abstract to interpret, GPT-5 gave a more technical explanation.

Oh no not GPT-5. So are we now treating a robot as peer review or the holder of truth lol. I always like to look at alternative views to GPT-5 as well. I don't trust the algorithms lol.

Since Khafre’s pyramid does not have any interior chambers, it would behave differently to Khufu’s Great Pyramid.

So, what is your point.

The authors are not suggesting the ancient Egyptians were aware of this nor your idiotic references such as the Great Pyramid being a DC power generator or piezoelectricity being involved.

Who says, can you show me the evidence that states that this is not the case. This is the very gatekeeping I am talking about. Now your making absolute claims that its not the case. Not even preliminary evidence that can lead to further testing. Just dismiss it out of hand.

Since you are incapable of understanding even simple science you will gullibly accept any rubbish which fuels your confirmation bias.

This is really at the bottom of all this. You think its all rubbish. Whereas many others don't and are interested enough to test those ideas by investigating such. Whereas others see this as just encouraging quackery.

This is not about science but belief. Two different paradigms disputing over what counts as evidence or what the data represents.

 

[stevevw]

I know this is not completely on topic as far a past advanced knowledge and tech. I am interested in what others think about the recent discosures about UAPs and the advanced knowledge and tech associated. Is this all in peoples imagination. Or is there something to this.

It may well explain how humans can fool themselves about advanced knowledge and tech from the past.

It also may show that knowledge is not a gradual climb from simple to complex. That it comes and goes, peaks and disappears and comes back. Or comes from alternative ways of knowing.

But also may give insight into peoples metaphysical beliefs.

By the way I am not even suggesting that aliens somehow passed on knowledge to the ancients. Only that knowledge is not linear.

 

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I know this is not completely on topic as far a past advanced knowledge and tech. I am interested in what others think about the recent discosures about UAPs and the advanced knowledge and tech associated. Is this all in peoples imagination. Or is there something to this.

It may well explain how humans can fool themselves about advanced knowledge and tech from the past.

It also may show that knowledge is not a gradual climb from simple to complex. That it comes and goes, peaks and disappears and comes back. Or comes from alternative ways of knowing.

But also may give insight into peoples metaphysical beliefs.

By the way I am not even suggesting that aliens somehow passed on knowledge to the ancients. Only that knowledge is not linear.

Where do you think knowledge comes from?