There’s a Giant Flaw in Human History

[sjastro]

Your go-to response to calling any criticism or skepticism on the people you glorify (you even call Petrie and King 'great men'!) 'ad hominems' shows your lack of desire for engagement with ideas or even the very idea that you could be wrong.

Notice how he refers to Chris King as Christ King, you can't get greater than that.

 

[AV1611VET]

On that lathe I could turn a piece of metal to any reasonable degree of precision you required. I know I could do it because I have done it before. But if I did not understand precision and how to measure for it, backed up by the math, then I could not do it at all, even with the most modern CNC lathe going.

Do you think it's possible that the Holy Ghost had a part in all of these ancient edifices and artifacts?

We see Him in action here ...

Exodus 36:1 Then wrought Bezaleel and Aholiab, and every wise hearted man, in whom the LORD put wisdom and understanding to know how to work all manner of work for the service of the sanctuary, according to all that the LORD had commanded.

And about this passage ...

Daniel 1:4 Children in whom was no blemish, but well favoured, and skilful in all wisdom, and cunning in knowledge, and understanding science, and such as had ability in them to stand in the king's palace, and whom they might teach the learning and the tongue of the Chaldeans.

... notice the Israelites were teaching the Babylonians?

 

[AV1611VET]

Notice how he refers to Chris King as Christ King, you can't get greater than that.

Kinda like academia's Christopher Nicholas Sarantakos, who was lauded as "Chriss Angel"?

 

[stevevw]

Your 'joke' was about as funny as my sprained foot is; not at all.

Fair enough. Which shows people have different perspectives. But none are morally wrong.

 

[stevevw]

You know, Steve, you are missing a great opportunity. Precision can be achieved without power tools, but it can't be achieved until you know what precision is and have a reliable means to measure for it. The Egyptians had a robust metrology and the math to back it up.

Yes they had some sort of natural geometry.

They understood fractional measurement and and had calibrated, government maintained standards. How precisly could they measure? I have no idea, but you should be checking it out, because if it turns out that they could measure with serious precision, then they could produce the artifacts, and "woo" would not be required.

You don't want to go down that rabbit hole as it actually throws up all sorts of theories. You o see a common geometry related to the Golden Ratio and other natural geometry.

But thats not really the point. Anyone can measure something and you don;t need a ruler. Just a piece of string. But its putting that geometry or maths into the 3D object.

With nothing but hand tools I could build you a lathe made mostly of wood, with a few small bits of iron, and no moving parts, no wheels required.

Yes and Chris King mentions this in the video. Iron wood could be used for bearings with whale blubber as the lubricant. I am not saying some sort of ancient lathe was made. But still we are talking about a pretty sophisticated lathe in a time where there was not even a potters wheel.

On that lathe I could turn a piece of metal to any reasonable degree of precision you required. I know I could do it because I have done it before.

If you listen to Chris King he goes into some detail on how a primitive lathe could hjave been made. In the end it starts getting complicated when you start to figure out how the lathe could cut the inside, uniform wall thickness and certain angles that require a fixed cutting point and tremendous pressure.

Or require high speeds due to a lack of pressure or have longer cutting arms which loose stability and with speed will move or break. Its a lot more complicated.

But if I did not understand precision and how to measure for it, backed up by the math, then I could not do it at all, even with the most modern CNC lathe going.

Yes I am sure the ancients could measure. We see the precision in many things. The base of the Great Pyramid of Giza is nearly perfectly level, with a deviation of about 2.1 cm (less than 1 inch). Theres lots of stuff like this which shows pretty good maths and geometry. I think the pyramid is also aligned to true north.

But its actually putting those numbers into 3D reality. Ensuring the base is level as its being built. All the complexity in achieving this. Especially for such an ancient time. The list of works even down to individual blocks with incoporated geometry and maths is long.

But sometimes its not the measure or maths but the witness mark itself. No matter what spin you put on it you cannot unsee what looks like a router cut or an arc cut from some preset planer cut into granite.

Thats got nothing to do with the measure and everything to do with what the tool was. That its cutting blade or shape cut the arc or routing cut. Or scooped out the granite in the shape of a shovel and left scoop marks.

Did the Egyptians make center lathes like that sooner than we know about? Who knows? Maybe they figured out something else. What we do know is that they had a sufficiently sophisticated concept of metrology that they could have done it.

Thats why I think we should be looking at the whole picture and all these signatures I have linked. Like you said we may be unsure of how they made the vases. But when we begin to collect other witness marks of machining you begin to see a bigger picture of methods that could cut super stright lines, shave off layers of granite, cut arcs in granite, rout hard stone, and even soften it.

Then you begin to think they had more ability than we think in working with hard stones and some primitive though pretty sophisticated lathe begins to look inadequate. That if they had devices that could slice off thin layers of granite then they could machine vases.

 

[stevevw]

Notice how he refers to Chris King as Christ King, you can't get greater than that.

Man this is almost becoming some sort of conspiracy making itself lol.

 

[sjastro]

Man this is almost becoming some sort of conspiracy making itself lol.

While you cannot tell us anything about the technologies used by predynastic Egyptians for producing precise granite vases, we do know from the vases found under Zoser's pyramid they made precise bicycle parts.

 

[stevevw]

I thought I'd give this another shot, but Steve, you are a brilliant example of the Dunning-Kruger effect by proxy: you claim these people are experts that we should accept whatever they say wholesale, with no critical thinking on our own part, that you make the word 'skeptic' look like a fricking joke.

But your not apply critical thinking. You disqualified yourself on that when you tried to make out King was nothing but a bike maker and had no idea what he was talking about. Thats not critical thinking. Its a logical fallacy.

I never said anyone should take his expert opinion over everything else. I said we should include his opinion because he works in an industry that is closely related to tools and machining in making similar objects. But your completely dismissing him altogether. Not even allowing his opinion in the first place.

You are also making logical fallacies by making false claims that I am demanding that Kings opinion be the only one. There are many like demanding we find the actual device otherwise all investigations that can inform us what made them is dismissed.

Another is insisting a standard of evidence such as peer review and then making claims without peer review while dismissing peer review. Which is a double standard. This thread is full of logical fallacies.

You have no desire for critical thinking, only accepting the first 'expert' opinion that isn't the mainstream to walk into the door and accept it wholly without thought on your own part.

This is also full of logical fallacies. Again I never said what your claiming. Your creating a strawman. Show me where I said we should accept the first person who walks thtough the door or that we should accept wholly what anyone said.

I have linked maybe 20 odd different researchers or testers as well as mainstream sources. So how am I demanding only one source or to completely and blindly accept one source. This is all falsehoods. Your creating a monster in your head to put in my head thats just not there.

You're so blinded by bells and whistles and credentials that you are blinded to everything else. Your go-to response to calling any criticism or skepticism on the people you glorify (you even call Petrie and King 'great men'!) 'ad hominems' shows your lack of desire for engagement with ideas or even the very idea that you could be wrong.

This has all the same fallacies. Have you ever considered that instead of fixating on peoples reputation and credibility that you actually look at what they are saying on the subject. How they are specifically explaining the tools and machining processes for how the marks can be made. or how such a vase can be made.

Did you even get past mocking the credibility to look at the content. How about you look at what King said technically about how the vase could have been made with his expert knowledge and then critique that with your criitical thinking. Rather than spend all the time and energy finding ways to fixate on the person.

To talk to you is akin to an intellectual tarpit.

Well it would be when theres many logical fallacies. Your creating an imaginary strawman and then attributing this to me and then attacking that. I never said any of what your claiming. So if your create an imaginary boogyman then its going to appear incoherent. But its all coming from yourself to yourself.

I wash my hands of you.

Fair enough. Thats all you need to do if you don't like it. People have their own opinion and have a right to express that and not get mocked or dismissed for doing so.

 

[stevevw]

While you cannot tell us anything about the technologies used by predynastic Egyptians for producing precise granite vases, we do know from the vases found under Zoser's pyramid pyramid they made precise bicycle parts.

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Lol I did not catch on at first who Zoser was when spelt with a Z. I am thinking is this an undiscovered vase lol. Man if that were the case Christ King would be wrapped finding a precision vase with design relating to bikes lol.

A bit like the Antikythera mechanism

An Ancient Greek Astronomical Calculation Machine Reveals New Secrets

Scientists have a new understanding of the mysterious Antikythera mechanism that challenges assumptions about ancient technology

www.scientificamerican.com

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Another is insisting a standard of evidence such as peer review and then making claims without peer review while dismissing peer review. Which is a double standard. This thread is full of logical fallacies.

What peer-reviewed articles have been dismissed without argument? What peer-reviewed articles have been dismissed at all? The one about the bracelet, no. The one about pottery advocating for turntables, no. The simulation of electromagnetic properties in pyramidal objects exemplified by the Khufru pyramid, no. The one about the use of digital photogrammetry, no. The use of piezoelectric cracking of rock, no. The possibility of using some plasters on the surface (this one I haven't touched, but I've seen others write about it). Have their been anymore peer-reviewed articles? I might have missed some. The latest foray into Egyptian acoustic energy generation haven't included any peer-reviewed articles have it?

No one of these present any positive evidence for ancient technology or lost knowledge.

 

[stevevw]

Notice how he refers to Chris King as Christ King, you can't get greater than that.

This is how far away from the meaning you are trying to inject onto me. I sort of got the Christ part as I noticed I kept adding t onto Chris. I just did it again and had to correct it. Now that may be because of my typing style (which is single finger but fast) lol. And as I have used the word Christ a lot in my typing the finger automatically goes to the 't'. Makes sense.

But what I did not see until you pointed it out was the 'King' part. Because Christ or King as in the King was not on my mind. So yes you spotted it. Christ the King and you could not get any higher. But you spotted it not me lol. But good spot.

 

[sjastro]

Predynastic Egyptian bikes might have been built with precision but had a durability issue.

 

[stevevw]

Predynastic Egyptian bikes might have been built with precision but had a durability issue.

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Not Chris Kings bikes. They are built to last like the vases lol.

 

[BCP1928]

Yes they had some sort of natural geometry.

What's the difference between natural geometry and ordinary geometry?

You don't want to go down that rabbit hole as it actually throws up all sorts of theories. You o see a common geometry related to the Golden Ratio and other natural geometry.

But thats not really the point. Anyone can measure something and you don;t need a ruler. Just a piece of string. But its putting that geometry or maths into the 3D object.

Yes, how to do that is called metrology and it is clear that ancient Egyptians understood it.

Yes and Chris King mentions this in the video. Iron wood could be used for bearings with whale blubber as the lubricant. I am not saying some sort of ancient lathe was made. But still we are talking about a pretty sophisticated lathe in a time where there was not even a potters wheel.

If you listen to Chris King he goes into some detail on how a primitive lathe could hjave been made. In the end it starts getting complicated when you start to figure out how the lathe could cut the inside, uniform wall thickness and certain angles that require a fixed cutting point and tremendous pressure.

Or require high speeds due to a lack of pressure or have longer cutting arms which loose stability and with speed will move or break. Its a lot more complicated.

Yes I am sure the ancients could measure. We see the precision in many things. The base of the Great Pyramid of Giza is nearly perfectly level, with a deviation of about 2.1 cm (less than 1 inch). Theres lots of stuff like this which shows pretty good maths and geometry. I think the pyramid is also aligned to true north.

But its actually putting those numbers into 3D reality. Ensuring the base is level as its being built. All the complexity in achieving this. Especially for such an ancient time. The list of works even down to individual blocks with incoporated geometry and maths is long.

But sometimes its not the measure or maths but the witness mark itself. No matter what spin you put on it you cannot unsee what looks like a router cut or an arc cut from some preset planer cut into granite.

Thats got nothing to do with the measure and everything to do with what the tool was. That its cutting blade or shape cut the arc or routing cut. Or scooped out the granite in the shape of a shovel and left scoop marks.

Thats why I think we should be looking at the whole picture and all these signatures I have linked. Like you said we may be unsure of how they made the vases. But when we begin to collect other witness marks of machining you begin to see a bigger picture of methods that could cut super stright lines, shave off layers of granite, cut arcs in granite, rout hard stone, and even soften it.

Then you begin to think they had more ability than we think in working with hard stones and some primitive though pretty sophisticated lathe begins to look inadequate. That if they had devices that could slice off thin layers of granite then they could machine vases.

 

[stevevw]

What's the difference between natural geometry and ordinary geometry?

Natural geometry is about the natural geometry we see in nature such as Sacred geometry, the Golden ratio or Phi and Pi. Geometric patterns that create the fundamental structure and templates of life in the universe.

Yes, how to do that is called metrology and it is clear that ancient Egyptians understood it.

Yes I think that had a very advanced way to measure things.

 

[stevevw]

What peer-reviewed articles have been dismissed without argument? What peer-reviewed articles have been dismissed at all?

I guess you were not paying attention. This is a few and there are more.

Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration

Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200-600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction...

ui.adsabs.harvard.edu

https://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/Pages/SH25_Piezoelectrics.aspx

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2307187725007217

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167577X10008979

https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2012/06/epn2012436p28.pdf

The Role of Abolishing Gravity in Ancient Egyptian Pyramids Architecture

Discover the secrets of ancient Egyptian pyramid construction. Explore unconventional stone lifting techniques and theories of acoustic and water lifting. Uncover the genius behind these architectural wonders.

www.scirp.org

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/jap/articl...-of-the-Great-Pyramid?redirectedFrom=fulltext
https://ceramics.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1551-2916.2006.01308.x

The one about the bracelet, no. The one about pottery advocating for turntables, no. The simulation of electromagnetic properties in pyramidal objects exemplified by the Khufru pyramid, no. The one about the use of digital photogrammetry, no. The use of piezoelectric cracking of rock, no. The possibility of using some plasters on the surface (this one I haven't touched, but I've seen others write about it). Have their been anymore peer-reviewed articles? I might have missed some. The latest foray into Egyptian acoustic energy generation haven't included any peer-reviewed articles have it?

No one of these present any positive evidence for ancient technology or lost knowledge.

Refer to above.

But its not just peer review. Its the discrediting of experts like King. You don't need peer review to work out that King knows what he is talking about. He virtually makes the same shape parts of the vases. He knows the tooling and machining involved. Yet he is rejected out of hand.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

I guess you were not paying attention. This is a few and there are more.

Electromagnetic properties of the Great Pyramid: First multipole resonances and energy concentration

Resonant response of the Great Pyramid interacting with external electromagnetic waves of the radio frequency range (the wavelength range is 200-600 m) is theoretically investigated. With the help of numerical simulations and multipole decomposition, it is found that spectra of the extinction...

ui.adsabs.harvard.edu

Already commented on it, it is a simulation study, it is also mentioned in the post you quoted.. Nothing have been measured or verified experimentally. Stop just posting links without reading them.

https://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/Pages/SH25_Piezoelectrics.aspx

This is the actual paper, there is no connection to ancient technology and lost knowledge. Don't post links that are not related. It is tantamount to lying.
Phase transformation in lead titanate based relaxor ferroelectrics with ultra-high strain - Nature Communications

URL unfurl="true"]https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2307187725007217[/URL]

Investigating the potential of using human movements in energy harvesting by installing piezoelectric tiles in Egyptian public facilities
No connection to ancient Egypt at all!

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0167577X10008979

Also mentioned in the post you quoted, from the abstract "A comparison was made of the solid-state 29Si, 27Al and 43Ca MAS NMR spectra of the outer casing stone from Snefru's Bent Pyramid in Dahshour, Egypt, with two quarry limestones from the area. The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area."

What is the ancient technology or lost knowledge in this case? A quick googling seems that the egyptians had access to early forms of cement.

https://www.europhysicsnews.org/articles/epn/pdf/2012/06/epn2012436p28.pdf

I time out on this one, can you take a picture of the abstract and post it?

The Role of Abolishing Gravity in Ancient Egyptian Pyramids Architecture

Discover the secrets of ancient Egyptian pyramid construction. Explore unconventional stone lifting techniques and theories of acoustic and water lifting. Uncover the genius behind these architectural wonders.

www.scirp.org

Ah, that one where gravity is NOT abolished and where hydrolift and acoustic lifting is NOT shown to have been used by the egyptian (it is all speculation).

https://pubs.aip.org/aip/jap/articl...-of-the-Great-Pyramid?redirectedFrom=fulltext

This is the same as the first one,

https://ceramics.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1551-2916.2006.01308.x

This is something that is testable and will by time become clear, the author themselves don't want to the exclude possibility that the microconstituents are the results of some natural process. I also seems to conflict with the article above that seems to say that the casing stones comes from the Tura quarry.

Refer to above.

But its not just peer review. Its the discrediting of experts like King. You don't need peer review to work out that King knows what he is talking about. He virtually makes the same shape parts of the vases. He knows the tooling and machining involved. Yet he is rejected out of hand.

Why are these articles arguments for ancient technology and/or lost knowledge? Can you form them yourself, using these articles for support?

 

[BCP1928]

Natural geometry is about the natural geometry we see in nature such as Sacred geometry, the Golden ratio or Phi and Pi. Geometric patterns that create the fundamental structure and templates of life in the universe.

Right. So natural geometry is only different than ordinary geometry of you think those numbers have magical powers.

Yes I think that had a very advanced way to measure things.

That would certainly be a more plausible candidate for your "woo" than what you've got going now.

 

[stevevw]

Already commented on it, it is a simulation study, it is also mentioned in the post you quoted.. Nothing have been measured or verified experimentally. Stop just posting links without reading them.

The hypothesis was that the pyramids structure and chambers can concentrate electromagnic energy. The test confirms this.

In fact the researchers claim that the results from the tests are good enough to actually create new technology. So it appears the findings are real and have real life applications using similar material with electromagnetic properties and obtain pyramidal nonoparticles.

Now, the scientists plan to use the results to reproduce similar effects at the nanoscale. "Choosing a material with suitable electromagnetic properties, we can obtain pyramidal nanoparticles with a promise for practical application in nanosensors and effective solar cells,"
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-reveals-great-pyramid-giza-focus.html

This is the actual paper, there is no connection to ancient technology and lost knowledge. Don't post links that are not related. It is tantamount to lying.
Phase transformation in lead titanate based relaxor ferroelectrics with ultra-high strain - Nature Communications

Actually it was a different one. I had a list and must have linked the wrong one. Its one of these I think. I can't remember lol. But they are all more or less the same and using the same piezoelectric effect in the structure and material of the pyramids.

Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber: A New Hypothesis for the Shroud of Turin's Image Formation.

Progressive Weakening of Granite by Piezoelectric Excitation of Quartz with Alternating Current - Rock Mechanics and Rock Engineering

https://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/Pages/SH25_Piezoelectrics.aspx

Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King’s Chamber: A New Hypothesis for th

Investigating the potential of using human movements in energy harvesting by installing piezoelectric tiles in Egyptian public facilities
No connection to ancient Egypt at all!

Like I said I had a few references on the piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and must of put the wrong ones. It was probably one of the above papers.

Also mentioned in the post you quoted, from the abstract "A comparison was made of the solid-state 29Si, 27Al and 43Ca MAS NMR spectra of the outer casing stone from Snefru's Bent Pyramid in Dahshour, Egypt, with two quarry limestones from the area. The NMR results suggest that the casing stones consist of limestone grains from the Tura quarry, cemented with an amorphous calcium-silicate gel formed by human intervention, by the addition of extra silica, possibly diatomaceous earth, from the Fayium area."

What is the ancient technology or lost knowledge in this case? A quick googling seems that the egyptians had access to early forms of cement.

Yes so I was right that the base blocks on the pyramid were molded. I had people on your side claiming I was creating conspiracies for suggesting such ideas and there was no evidence. That you for confirming I was right all along.

I time out on this one, can you take a picture of the abstract and post it?

Yeah so did I. Not sure what happened there.

Try this one

https://geopolymer.org/fichiers/gpcamp-2013/Tunyi%20-%20Paleomagnetic%20investigation%20of%20the%20Egyptian%20pyramids.pdf

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258626055_Paleomagnetic_investigation_of_the_great_egyptian_pyramids

Ah, that one where gravity is NOT abolished and where hydrolift and acoustic lifting is NOT shown to have been used by the egyptian (it is all speculation).

I find this ironic. My arguement was that people are dismissing peer review without peer review. By just making a claim with their own words and opinion as though it has the same weight as peer review. Where is the arguement and evidence that supports this dismissal.

Because as far as I know there is no evidence full stop as to how the pryamids were built. There is no evidence for how they lifted and transported massive blocks. The studies done in supporting alternative ways of lifting stones are just as valid a hypothesis as building ramps or any other proposed method.

So its not just all spectulation but properly theorised alternative methods accordig to research and evidence. If these alternative ideas are spectualtion then everything is spectualtion including the orthodox methods which have no evidence.

Egyptian pyramid may have been built using a water-powered elevator

Egyptian pyramid may have been built using a water-powered elevator

Ancient Egyptians may have relied on a vertical shaft that could be filled with water, along with a network of water channels and filtration structures, to build the Step Pyramid of Djoser 4500 years ago

www.newscientist.com

This is something that is testable and will by time become clear, the author themselves don't want to the exclude possibility that the microconstituents are the results of some natural process. I also seems to conflict with the article above that seems to say that the casing stones comes from the Tura quarry.

Yes the limestone used in the moulded blocks comes from the Tura quarry. But its been crushed or broken down and reconstituted with some polymer or something like cement. Except it seems to dry naturally like its stone.

Similar results have been found in Peru ancient works.

Why are these articles arguments for ancient technology and/or lost knowledge? Can you form them yourself, using these articles for support?

To me this is show the ancients were manipulating nature. Using natures own chemicals, elements and energy to make changes in nature. Because they were immersed in nature they were able to see how it works from the inside.

The aricles are gradually collecting data showing how just about everything the ancients did and especially the Egyptians had some function. The architure, geographic location and placement of specific shafts, chambers and individual blocks and stone types were no accident. They all had a purpose associated with the data being collected.

Thats why I say don't be too quick to dismiss these findings as the research is ongoing and it seems the more data we get the more its supporting advanced knowledge.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

The hypothesis was that the pyramids structure and chambers can concentrate electromagnic energy. The test confirms this.

Read the study there were NO tests or experiments performed.

In fact the researchers claim that the results from the tests are good enough to actually create new technology. So it appears the findings are real

No again, this is just a popular scientific write up of the same study

and have real life applications using similar material with electromagnetic properties and obtain pyramidal nonoparticles.

Which is just saying that they want to produce pyramidal antennas, if they are at a nanoscale it will not be radiowaves they are trying to interact with.

Now, the scientists plan to use the results to reproduce similar effects at the nanoscale. "Choosing a material with suitable electromagnetic properties, we can obtain pyramidal nanoparticles with a promise for practical application in nanosensors and effective solar cells,"
https://phys.org/news/2018-07-reveals-great-pyramid-giza-focus.html

See above.

Actually it was a different one. I had a list and must have linked the wrong one. Its one of these I think. I can't remember lol. But they are all more or less the same and using the same piezoelectric effect in the structure and material of the pyramids.

Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King's Chamber: A New Hypothesis for the Shroud of Turin's Image Formation.

This is article has not been peer-reviewed (the pre-print even says so in it's watermarks), it tries to build a case for the connection between the shroud of Turin and the Giza pyramids. It contains no test or experimental work.

Progressive Weakening of Granite by Piezoelectric Excitation of Quartz with Alternating Current - Rock Mechanics and Rock Engineering

Mentioned in the post you quoted before. There is no connection to egyptian pyramids, is there?

https://www.isis.stfc.ac.uk/Pages/SH25_Piezoelectrics.aspx

This is exactly the same as in the post you quoted, no connection to Egypt.

Piezoelectric Phenomena in the King’s Chamber: A New Hypothesis for th

This is just a popular write-up of the pre-print regarding the shroud of Turin.

Like I said I had a few references on the piezoelectric effects of the pyramids and must of put the wrong ones. It was probably one of the above papers.

No one of your articles has shown the utility of piezoelectrics in conjunction with the pyramids.

Yes so I was right that the base blocks on the pyramid were molded. I had people on your side claiming I was creating conspiracies for suggesting such ideas and there was no evidence. That you for confirming I was right all along.

That was no confirmation! It is enough to make further tests interesting.

Yeah so did I. Not sure what happened there.

Try this one

https://geopolymer.org/fichiers/gpcamp-2013/Tunyi%20-%20Paleomagnetic%20investigation%20of%20the%20Egyptian%20pyramids.pdf

Conclusion from the pdf is that it may contain both natural and manmade blocks. No hypothesis testing was performed, so how probable was it that the magnetization directions would be observed by chance alone? Seven samples don't give them much to work with.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/258626055_Paleomagnetic_investigation_of_the_great_egyptian_pyramids

No hypothesis testing was performed, so how probable was it that the magnetization directions would be observed by chance alone? Seven samples don't give them much to work with.

I find this ironic. My arguement was that people are dismissing peer review without peer review. By just making a claim with their own words and opinion as though it has the same weight as peer review. Where is the arguement and evidence that supports this dismissal.

I read the article, they don't claim to have proved anything. What do you want me to do then?

Because as far as I know there is no evidence full stop as to how the pryamids were built. There is no evidence for how they lifted and transported massive blocks. The studies done in supporting alternative ways of lifting stones are just as valid a hypothesis as building ramps or any other proposed method.

So its not just all spectulation but properly theorised alternative methods accordig to research and evidence. If these alternative ideas are spectualtion then everything is spectualtion including the orthodox methods which have no evidence.

Egyptian pyramid may have been built using a water-powered elevator

Egyptian pyramid may have been built using a water-powered elevator

Ancient Egyptians may have relied on a vertical shaft that could be filled with water, along with a network of water channels and filtration structures, to build the Step Pyramid of Djoser 4500 years ago

www.newscientist.com

It is a suggestion. It even says so in the headline.

Yes the limestone used in the moulded blocks comes from the Tura quarry. But its been crushed or broken down and reconstituted with some polymer or something like cement. Except it seems to dry naturally like its stone.

You're jumping the gun, let us see if others can replicate the findings.

Similar results have been found in Peru ancient works.

To me this is show the ancients were manipulating nature. Using natures own chemicals, elements and energy to make changes in nature. Because they were immersed in nature they were able to see how it works from the inside.

Even if they were using some sort of cement, how does this follow? Cement-like (true cement with lime came a little later?) construction was known to the ancient egyptians, was it not?

The aricles are gradually collecting data showing how just about everything the ancients did and especially the Egyptians had some function. The architure, geographic location and placement of specific shafts, chambers and individual blocks and stone types were no accident. They all had a purpose associated with the data being collected.

What do you mean with "They all had a purpose associated with the data being collected."? That the egyptians built thing with a purpose in mind, that is more or less a given.

Thats why I say don't be too quick to dismiss these findings as the research is ongoing and it seems the more data we get the more its supporting advanced knowledge.

Only in the sense, that new findings of course changes our current understanding. That is what science does.