Israel-Hamas Thread II

[rjs330]

Electing a Muslim mayor is Islam conquering NYC?

Its a start. Ismamists always play the long game. We'll see what happens. It may be that Amercans in NY will wake up in time.

 

[Vanellus]

IDF soldiers reveal that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields and kills indiscrimanately:

Israeli soliders admit killing civilians and using human shields in Gaza

Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) soldiers have lifted the lid on the army’s disregard for laws and norms during the genocide in Gaza in a new documentary called Breaking Ranks: Inside Israel’s War, due to be broadcast by ITV on Monday night.

Daniel, the commander of an IDF tank unit is quoted in the show as saying that if soldiers “want to shoot without restraint, you can”, according to The Guardian.

All told how rules on targeting civilians were flouted and the soldiers revealed how the Israeli military used human shields and opened fire without provocation on people trying to access food at aid distribution points.

He told of one incident where a senior officer ordered a building to be demolished in an area which had been designated as safe for civilians. “A man was standing on the roof, hanging laundry, and the officer decided that he was a spotter. He’s not a spotter. He’s hanging his laundry. You can see that he’s hanging laundry,” Eli said.

“Now, it’s not as if this man had binoculars or weapons. The closest military force was 600-700 metres away. So unless he had eagle eyes, how could he possibly be a spotter? And the tank fired a shell. The building half collapsed. And the result was many dead and wounded.”

Not a good idea to be seen hanging out the washing by the IDF!

The makers of Breaking Ranks spoke to a contractor identified only as Sam who worked at food distribution sites run by the US-backed Gaza Humanitarian Foundation, who says he witnessed the IDF killing unarmed civilians.

He describes an incident at one distribution site where two young men were running to get aid.

“You could just see two soldiers run after them,” said Sam.

“They drop onto their knees and they just take two shots, and you could just see […] two heads snap backwards and just drop.” He recalled another incident in which an IDF tank near one of the distribution sites destroyed “a normal car … just four normal people sat inside it”.

Nor a good idea to be seen sitting in a car.

These are war crimes but the IDF soldiers who committed these crimes know they will not be held accountable.

 

[Benaiah468]

IDF soldiers reveal that the IDF uses Palestinians as human shields and kills indiscrimantety:

Israeli soliders admit killing civilians and using human shields in Gaza

The makers of Breaking Ranks...

A new documentary airing on ITV, Breaking Ranks: Inside Israel's War, claims to be “the story of the war in Gaza told by the soldiers who fought it.”

ITV’s ‘Breaking Ranks’: The IDF Soldier Documentary That Broke From the Truth

The story of the war in Gaza is, that the islamist terrorist group Hamas has effectively turned the entire civilian population of the Gaza Strip into human shields for its fight against Israel.

 

[Benaiah468]

This appears to be a half-truth, from their response regarding the measurement method and the threshold. Your text seems to be tendentious.

https://www.ipcinfo.org/fileadmin/u...C_Famine_Classification_in_the_Gaza_Strip.pdf

If using the weight-to-height measurement it is still 30% to call it a famine. With the upper arm measure the threshold is 15% (and that as it has been previously, MUAC has previously been shown to underpredict hence the lower threshold). It is not a newly deviced measurement either. See the quote.

On Aug 22, 2025, a famine was declared for the city of Gaza based on the IPC for food security. Three months later, there are increasing signs that this classification was greatly exaggerated. The global system for classifying hunger and malnutrition lists ‘famine/humanitarian catastrophe’ as the last and highest alert level on its scale. One criterion is that in such a case, the mortality rate exceeds two deaths per 10,000 people per day.

Paradoxically, none of the available surveys, neither the IPC's own figures nor those of Hamas, come anywhere close to this figure. For the classification of ‘famine’, around 188 people would have had to die every day in Gaza City alone. However, Hamas reported an average of six deaths per day caused by hunger during the same period across the entire Gaza Strip. The terrorist group is not suspected of wanting to gloss over the death toll. It even reported people suffering from serious illnesses as ‘victims of hunger’.

The accusation that Israel wants to ‘systematically starve’ the Gaza Strip is one of the main pillars of the genocide charges against Israel. In the spring of 2025, Israel imposed a highly controversial three-month blockade on aid deliveries, thereby establishing a new distribution system. Since then, goods have been distributed in such a way that Hamas is no longer involved. Apart from this period, enough food always reached the Gaza Strip in absolute terms. The main problem has always been the Hamas-controlled distribution.

That is why it is important to note that Israel has demonstrably done more to protect "Palestinians" in the Gaza Strip than any other state has ever done for the lives of civilians on the side of an enemy warring party. The casualties among the suffering civilians, especially children, are tragic, but very low compared to other urban wars against terrorists and guerrillas. To accuse Israel of genocidal intentions is an anti-Semitic lie.

 

[Benaiah468]

The warnings from Doha and Riyadh sounded loud and almost desperate: Israel was jeopardising the ceasefire, both capitals said after the IDF attacked several Hamas targets in the Gaza Strip this week. Qatar was particularly harsh in its message, speaking of a ‘dangerous escalation’. Saudi Arabia joined in and also condemned the Israeli prime minister's trip to southern Syria. But the outrage obscures the crucial fact: the IDF attacks came after Hamas fighters fired from areas clearly under Israeli control.

The exact sequence of events highlights how fragile the current ceasefire is and how consistently Israel is trying to do what a state must do: protect its soldiers and civilians.

On Wed Nov 19th, a group of armed terrorists opened fire near IDF forces operating along the yellow separation strip in the Khan Yunis area. The IDF responded with a precision strike on a building in the Zeitun neighbourhood of Gaza City, which Israeli sources said was housing a senior Hamas terrorist. This was followed by further attacks on Hamas operational structures after additional terrorists approached the yellow control strip in several areas. Some of them were identified and eliminated across the line; an indication of the ongoing threat, even in the midst of an agreed period of calm.

Qatar stated that the attacks had claimed ‘martyrs and casualties’ and posed an immediate threat to the ceasefire. At the same time, Doha reaffirmed its ‘firm and unwavering commitment’ to the Palestinian cause, a phrase that has been more of a political signal than a realistic analysis for months.

However, neither Doha nor Riyadh mention the key point: the ceasefire does not oblige Israel to allow itself to be fired upon. In international law, the term ‘ceasefire’ never means the suspension of self-defence. When armed terrorists cross a control line or operate directly on it, a real threat arises. Since Oct 2023, the IDF has made it unmistakably clear that it will neutralise any immediate threat, regardless of political timelines.

Qatar and Saudi Arabia present their statements as warnings. But in reality, it is more of a reflex: both states must maintain their respective regional roles, serve their political alliances and assert their position in the Arab discourse. At the same time, they know that the ceasefire only exists because Israel has operated with maximum restraint despite numerous violations by Hamas.

What makes the current reactions so remarkable is that they completely ignore the fact that Hamas repeatedly breaks this ceasefire, whether through shooting, approaching Israeli posts or continuing to use civilian areas for military purposes.

The Israeli government and military have been emphasising this for weeks: Every attack, every approach, every armed movement that threatens lives will be responded to. This is not a breach of agreement, but the only responsible course of action in the face of a terrorist organisation that traditionally uses ceasefires as tactical pauses.

The current dispute shows once again how distorted the view from the outside can be and how necessary it is to consider the actual situation on the ground before making moral judgements.

 

[Benaiah468]

As long as Hamas remains armed and hatred continues to be passed on, there can be no new beginning for Gaza.

Not a single stone will remain standing as long as the structures that made 7 October possible continue to exist. Anyone who wants genuine stability must first break the power of those who have been misusing Gaza as a military fortress for two decades. That means disarmament, educational reform and a new political foundation not cosmetic steps, but a radical new beginning.

Any attempt to persuade Hamas to voluntarily give up its weapons is unrealistic. Terrorist organisations do not lay down their weapons; they hide them and they use every pause to reorganise. President Donald Trump's 20-point plan makes it clear: without complete disarmament and the destruction of the tunnel infrastructure, there can be no basis for security for anyone neither for Israelis nor for Palestinians, nor for international actors who want to help.

Only when Hamas has been militarily eliminated can a control team of international partners safely intervene and begin the profound change that Gaza urgently needs.

Even before schools are rebuilt, Gaza needs something much more fundamental: an education system that no longer breeds hatred. The current system is designed to reinforce hatred of Jews and victim ideology. The result is a generation that not only tolerates Hamas, but glorifies it even when it suffers under its rule.

The counter-model has long existed: the reform-oriented education system of the United Arab Emirates, which respects religious identity but systematically prevents radicalisation. Gaza needs a similar model and it needs it now.

A crucial step lies outside Gaza: containing Qatar. For years, the emirate has been financing Islamist networks worldwide, from Hamas to the Muslim Brotherhood, and influencing entire societies through media, foundations and lobbying. After Oct 7, this reality can no longer be relativised.

The US and Europe must ask themselves whether military cooperation with Qatar is still justifiable. The presence of American bases may seem tactically advantageous, but strategically it is risky. States that promote Islamist ideology cannot at the same time be considered ‘reliable partners’.

What is needed are transparency laws on Qatari financial flows, such as those long since introduced by Arab states and a clear political line: those who ideologically fuel terrorism cannot at the same time be part of the Western security architecture.

The third pillar for a new era is the most difficult and at the same time the most crucial: ending the systematic hostility towards Jews that continues to be widespread in parts of the Arab world to this day. School curricula, sermons, media and political rhetoric in Egypt, Jordan and the so called "West Bank" have for years contributed to the consolidation of a hateful worldview that legitimises violence against Israel.

As long as this indoctrination continues, any attempt to stabilise Gaza will remain an experiment without a foundation. Anyone who wants to change the region must break this narrative, not gloss over it.

 

[Benaiah468]

Its a start. Ismamists always play the long game. We'll see what happens. It may be that Amercans in NY will wake up in time.

Islam is now spreading in the US. Not to the same extent as in Europe, but with the same negative consequences. The new mayor of NYC is a socialist, and thus professes a destructive, misanthropic worldview that has long belonged in the ideological/historical waste bin.

What lies ahead for NY has been on display in London for years: Sadiq Khan has been mayor there for nine years. He won not primarily through broad support from native Britons, but through high voter turnout in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods such as Tower Hamlets and Newham, combined with alliances with left-wing parties.

Khan, who is of British-Pakistani descent, has shaped London's politics to be Islam-friendly: he prioritised the construction of mosques, introduced hate crime laws that criminalise criticism of Islam, and ignored protests against radical preachers. Under Khan, London experienced several terrorist attacks (e.g., London Bridge in 2017); the city became the ‘Islamist capital of Europe,’ as a former MI6 chief put it.

In New York, Zohran Mamdani, who has embraced the ‘Defund the Police’ demand (which Islamist terrorist cells will only welcome), will now govern, while at the same time showing understanding for Palestinian ‘resistance’ against Israel and supporting the BDS boycott movement against the Jewish state. Mamdani also waffled around a clear rejection of the ‘globalisation of the intifada’.

 

[Benaiah468]

For weeks, a tough, almost silent battle has been going on in Rafah, one that hardly makes the headlines but is of great importance for Israel's security. Dozens of Hamas terrorists are trapped in a limited section underground, cut off from their command structures, weakened by water shortages, hunger and the constant fear of being discovered.

The men who once operated as part of the Gaza Strip's military infrastructure are now remnants of a system that has collapsed under the pressure of targeted Israeli operations. Israel has deliberately refrained from making a final decision on clearing the tunnels because any intervention during the ceasefire is politically explosive. But while Jerusalem weighs its options, an accelerated decay is taking place underground.

According to Israeli estimates, between sixty and eighty terrorists are holed up within a radius of a few hundred metres. Some sections of the tunnel system have been destroyed, others blocked – presumably as a result of earlier air strikes. During interrogations, those trapped inside report that they have no access to each other and do not know which of their own people are still alive. At least ten are said to have already died there.

Every attempt to escape to the surface ends in almost the same way: Israeli forces are constantly monitoring the area. Two days ago, soldiers shot and killed six armed men who crawled out of the buried section. Five more followed yesterday. Five terrorists surrendered and were handed over to the domestic intelligence service. They described themselves as physically emaciated and without hope of supplies: water is scarce, food is practically gone, the system has collapsed.

Israel's security apparatus assumes that the encircled Hamas cells will attempt to deflect the increasing internal pressure by attacking soldiers. At the same time, the leadership of the terrorist organisation is attempting to exploit the situation politically.

After a series of targeted Israeli air strikes on Hamas positions, the organisation approached the US and other parties involved via intermediaries and complained about Israel's actions. The claim: the attacks endangered the ceasefire.

In fact, the trigger was a clear breach by Hamas itself. An armed terrorist crossed the agreed line in the morning and attacked Israeli forces. He was killed immediately. Israel then responded with targeted strikes against the commanders responsible. Jerusalem reiterated that it would adhere to the ceasefire but that any attack on soldiers would be answered.

The fact that Hamas immediately mobilised mediators shows above all how hard the organisation is trying to generate international sympathy. While men are starving underground, the political leadership is presenting itself to the outside world as if it were under pressure and not the terrorists who built the tunnel system and knowingly filled it with their own fighters.

One thing is clear: the longer Hamas remains trapped in this tunnel complex, the more it loses control over the last remnants of its structure on the ground.

The question is not whether the tunnels will be cleared, but when conditions will have matured to such an extent that such a step will serve Israel's

 

[rjs330]

Islam is now spreading in the US. Not to the same extent as in Europe, but with the same negative consequences. The new mayor of NYC is a socialist, and thus professes a destructive, misanthropic worldview that has long belonged in the ideological/historical waste bin.

What lies ahead for NY has been on display in London for years: Sadiq Khan has been mayor there for nine years. He won not primarily through broad support from native Britons, but through high voter turnout in Muslim-dominated neighbourhoods such as Tower Hamlets and Newham, combined with alliances with left-wing parties.

Khan, who is of British-Pakistani descent, has shaped London's politics to be Islam-friendly: he prioritised the construction of mosques, introduced hate crime laws that criminalise criticism of Islam, and ignored protests against radical preachers. Under Khan, London experienced several terrorist attacks (e.g., London Bridge in 2017); the city became the ‘Islamist capital of Europe,’ as a former MI6 chief put it.

In New York, Zohran Mamdani, who has embraced the ‘Defund the Police’ demand (which Islamist terrorist cells will only welcome), will now govern, while at the same time showing understanding for Palestinian ‘resistance’ against Israel and supporting the BDS boycott movement against the Jewish state. Mamdani also waffled around a clear rejection of the ‘globalisation of the intifada’.

Yup, far too many people in the west are so afraid of being called or feeling like a racist that they are refusing to look at the truth. They are voting against their own interests. Dearborn isnt going to be the only Islamic city in America.