Harvard conservative magazine is suspended by its own board after publishing article laced with Nazi rhetoric

[7thKeeper]

I'm biracial.

It's not a good sign when your arguement against possibly saying something racist begins with a variation of the "I can't be racist, I have a black friend" defence.
Anyone can be racist, anyone. Diverse background racially or socially only makes it less likely, it's not like an immunization.
Anyone can be racist.

 

[The Barbarian]

I'm guessing it was intended to be a dog whistle for their followers, not realizing that decent Americans would also know what it meant.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I don't know what kind of good you think you're doing propagating a fantasy that denies the realities of what @JosephZ posted. Do you think his claims are inaccurate or do you just not like them?

I don't see why what Italy did over a thousand years ago has anything to do with "Christianity" in general terms. It's not a Catholic teaching... It's not a Christian teaching... It's ancient history that doesn't relate to what's going on today.

 

[stevevw]

When you consider the vast library of Hitler quotes from various long & laborious speeches (that were scattershot across a myriad of subjects), is it perhaps too easy of a jab to take to merely find "resemblances"?

Overlap in policy & rhetoric doesn't necessarily mean perfect overlap in terms ideological agreement.

"America for Americans" and "France is for the French" existed before Hitler.

And Hitler made quotes about vegetarianism and animal welfare, and I'm sure we could find some "similar sounding" rhetoric between his statements and that of PETA. That wouldn't mean PETA (or the animal rights movement more broadly) should be linked with a propensity for Nazism.


And one certainly doesn't have to be a Nazi to hold the position that fundamentalist Islam is incompatible with Westernized society.

And that's a bidirectional opinion for that matter... Many in the west feel that way... and many Fundamentalist Muslims in the Middle East also feel that their religious ideology and the "excesses of the West" are incompatible.


I'd bet dollars to donuts that at some of those anti-Israel protests that were happening at Harvard, there were probably a lot of things being shouted and written on signs that we could probably track down some overlap with.

Also when I read the words 'blood and soil' Hitler was the furthest from my mind in relation to American history of fighting for anti slavery and the principles of freedoms and democracy.

They certainly fought and spilt blood on their own soil and that soil produced one of the worlds greatest democracies which gave us freedoms.

But to then equate all this as Nazi is actually the injection of Woke ideologues who turn absolutely everything into being about identity groups. One identity group oppressing another. This isa common MO of the ideologues. They have been calling Trump and his supporters Nazis for 10 years now lol.

Thats why I reckon don't even engage. If you try to defend or talk reason it does not work. This is about ideological beliefs and not objective reality. You can never win. State your beliefs and views when required and don't buy in. Tell the truth when required but don't buy in.

Theres too much fake news in this modern tech world. Too much whitenoise. Too many dark forces at work that will consume you.
Walk away and come back another day. Things may change. But no one will ever win in the culture war and buying in is the fuel that keeps it going.

For a Christian its unbeatable. Just speak the truth and leave it at that. If people don't like it so be it. You can't change them, only God.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Also when I read the words 'blood and soil' Hitler was the furthest from my mind in relation to American history of fighting for anti slavery and the principles of freedoms and democracy.

They certainly fought and spilt blood on their own soil and that soil produced one of the worlds greatest democracies which gave us freedoms.

Okay, that is what the words "blood and soil" evoke in your mind. Something about the honor/sacrifice of those who gave their lives for America.

But that is not what "blood and soil" meant in Nazi ideology. Today we might say "genes and soil" -- that something about the German people was specifically connected to the land. And that the people were better because the land was better. And people who didn't have German blood didn't belong on the German soil. (and 'them' not being connected to the land, congregated in the cities, and filled them with moral turpitude.) Per wiki: a racially defined national body ("Blood") united with a settlement area ("Soil").

So now we ask ourselves how the author of the Harvard Salient used it. The full text isn't public (as far as I know), but what we know of it is that it does not seem to be about the battlefields of Saratoga or Gettysburg, but about Muslims not belonging in America.

Whereas Hitler said, “France to the French, England to the English, America to the Americans, and Germany to the Germans,” Army wrote, “Germany belongs to the Germans, France to the French, Britain to the British, America to the Americans.”

(This again is connecting a nation of people directly to a place.)

Army also called for the adoption of notions of “blood, soil, language, and love of one’s own” in response to concerns over large-scale migration of Muslims into Europe.

This is pretty clearly a very similar sentiment to the way the Nazis used the phrase -- to separate an us (our blood/genes, our soil, our language, our love of us) from some other, who doesn't belong.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I'm guessing it was intended to be a dog whistle for their followers, not realizing that decent Americans would also know what it meant.

What if the magazine publishers began sporting toothbrush mustaches? Would they just cancel the magazine altogether, and expel the students?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Also when I read the words 'blood and soil' Hitler was the furthest from my mind in relation to American history of fighting for anti slavery and the principles of freedoms and democracy.

They certainly fought and spilt blood on their own soil and that soil produced one of the worlds greatest democracies which gave us freedoms.

The common phrasing you are thinking of is "blood and treasure" or "blood and sweat". "Blood and soil" is an enthonationalist phrase with a direct translation from Nazi ideology.

But to then equate all this as Nazi is actually the injection of Woke ideologues who turn absolutely everything into being about identity groups. One identity group oppressing another. This isa common MO of the ideologues. They have been calling Trump and his supporters Nazis for 10 years now lol.

These knobs at Harvard were absolutely at least toying with Nazi phrases. It isn't about Trump.

Thats why I reckon don't even engage. If you try to defend or talk reason it does not work. This is about ideological beliefs and not objective reality. You can never win. State your beliefs and views when required and don't buy in. Tell the truth when required but don't buy in.

Theres too much fake news in this modern tech world. Too much whitenoise. Too many dark forces at work that will consume you.
Walk away and come back another day. Things may change. But no one will ever win in the culture war and buying in is the fuel that keeps it going.

For a Christian its unbeatable. Just speak the truth and leave it at that. If people don't like it so be it. You can't change them, only God.

Then don't make excuse for this.

 

[The Barbarian]

What if the magazine publishers began sporting toothbrush mustaches?

Less subtle than using Nazi jargon, I suppose.

But that was enough. I imagine there are some 20th century historians on staff at Harvard. Those guys seem to have not realized what that would mean for them.