Who then can be saved?

[Dan1988]

God is not evil. Commanding someone to do what they cannot do is defined as evil in Exodus chapter 5. When pharaoh commanded Israel to gather their own straw and yet make the same amount of brick, that was called evil by Moses because they were asked to do an impossible task.

"....now, God commands all men everywhere to repent.... " Acts 17:22-31. Verse 31 being the key verse.

Paul said, in Athens Greece, on Mars hill, that God now commands all men everywhere to repent.

That is an evil thing to command, according to scripture, if all men everywhere can not possibly repent.

God is not evil, He has made a way for all men everywhere to repent via the death and resurrection of His Son, therefore repentance, for every man, begins at belief that Christ died and rose from the dead.

The commandments were given to show mankind that it's impossible to keep any of them. You have forgotten who and what you are. Don't you know that you and everyone else was born dead in sin, and you inherited a fallen sin nature from your parents?????.

Why are you blaming God for your sin, God didn't make you sin. You sin because you are a sinner, just as the rest of mankind is. Haven't you ever read;
Genesis 2:17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

You conveniently ignore the fact that God is under no obligation to save any sinner. We all deserve to burn in hell, but thank God He chose to save some for Himself.

God commands all men everywhere to repent, so they are without excuse. That way He has the legal right to take vengeance on them.

 

[BNR32FAN]

According to the Holy Bible (Gods Word) "only those who are indwelt and led by the Holy Spirit" enfure to the end. In other words 'the elect of God". Now how hard was that to understand, that's what the gospel of the Lord Jesus is all about.

I get the sense that you don't believe the gospel of the Lord Jesus, and you prefer the Jacobs Arminius version

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

“If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

 

[Dan1988]

You have no idea what you’re talking about.

“If we endure, we will also reign with Him; If we deny Him, He also will deny us;”
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭2‬:‭12‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

"If we endure", who are the "we"? thank you (the elect of God)

 

[contratodo]

God commands all men everywhere to repent, so they are without excuse. That way He has the legal right to take vengeance on them

That is not what Paul says is the reason why.

God commands all men everywhere to repent
Because, He has appointed a day in the which He will judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS
(not in evil or pomp and circumstance, righteousness) by that Man whom He has appointed, and has given assurance until all in that He raised that Man from the dead.
Acts 17:31-32

It is not in righteousness to command someone to do an impossible task. Acts 17:21-32 clearly marks the view you've subscribed to as false.

The Spirit right now testifying, for it is not of myself that I responded right now, dear one.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Thank you for finally revealing that. It explains everything, God appointed Shepherds to lead and watch over Sheep like myself.

The fact that you are on your own suggests that you're not a member of the Body of Christ (the Church). You can't claim to be a Christian if you are not joined to the Body of Christ.

You have taken the law into your own hands, so you will answer to God for everything you believe and do. If my Shepherd teaches me false doctrine, then he will have to answer to God.

Those who leave the safety of the flock, always become victims of the hungry lion (Satan), who roams around seeking to devour the lost and rebellious sheep.

No you completely missed the point. I don’t rely on someone telling me what the Bible says. That’s why the Bible is such a mystery to you because what someone told you it says doesn’t line up with what’s written in it. And you should be ashamed of yourself saying that I’m not a Christian.

 

[BNR32FAN]

"If we endure", who are the "we"? thank you (the elect of God)

Yeah it’s the same “we” who can deny Christ genius.

 

[fhansen]

That may sound like a wonderful philosophy, to those who don't know that truth. But to those of us who do know the truth, it's nothing more than a vein attempt to offer false hope, because none of it is true.

As it is you don't know the truth, at least not in its fullness, or else you'd recognize it in that post. You're locked into a handful of concepts developed by people strictly by reading a book, God's Word, centuries after the fact, divorced from its original historical context and recipients of its revelation, The concepts are plausible enough in some places, strained in others, often wooden and isolated interpretations in any case.

You will never find anything in the bible to support your private opinion 1) Sin would be impossible without human freedom.

The alternative is that God is the author of sin.

You will never find anything in the bible to support your private opinion that 2) God so values the freedom He gave man to begin with that He won't override it. No such nonsense exists in the Bible.

God never said that He desires that we use our freedom for good, not evil, to embrace and choose the good He's shown us, to embrace and choose love to put it in the most correct terms. And no such nonsense exists in the Bible.

"See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess."

"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him." Duet 30:15-16, 19-20

"Seek good, and not evil, that you may live" Amos 5:14

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Rom 12:21

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matt 22:37-40

This world is beautiful, everything is exactly as God predestined it to be. He is in full control of every single thing in the universe. From the smallest thing to the biggest things, nothing happens apart from His will.

There's a reason why we pray, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". And that reason is because of the fact that His will is not at all necessarily done on earth as it is in heaven. God allows evil here, for a time, for a season, for His purpose, after which the two: good and evil, will be eternally separated, no longer allowed to co-exist as His plans for His creation are fully consummated. All truth and beauty and goodness in this world come from God while evil is done by man, coming from those who oppose Him and His will. So tell the victims of abuse, of rape, of torture, of genocide, of the holocaust about how beautiful this world is. You may get a different opinion.

You mention Matt, 11:28-30 as if it was some kind of an offer of a better lifestyle or blessings, but it's nothing like that at all, it was hate speech and it got Him tortured, spat, His beard was ripped out and the flesh on His back was hanging of from being whipped before He was crucified and murdered. The same thing would happen if he came back today and tried that again, He is hated by religious people, today more then ever before.

Geez! It was nothing but love-speech, calling man to God and the love He's shown us. But man preferred darkness. What else is new???? Are you saying the darkness is somehow preferable or superior to the light just because man rejected the light?

 

[fhansen]

There's only one correct interpretation for every word in the Bible.

The meaning was simple and should've been plain enough unless one just wishes to argue. Man is often the author of his own confusion- and various bible versions actually translate the same word (for tradition, as an example) in more than one way. So where the Greek word which is most correctly translated as "tradition" is used in, say, Mark 7:8 for "traditions of men", the same word is sometimes rendered as "teachings", as in 2 Thess 2:15 where it refers to knowledge which has been passed down to the disciples, whether oral or written. Perhaps a little bias there as the word "tradition" has taken on a negative meaning, not always warranted.

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's more twisted theology nonsense.
Who is "If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭3‬:‭16‬-‭17" referring to. Let e guess, you believe that it's referring to those who are born again believers, who are indwelt and led by the Holy Spirt.

You believe that the Holy Spirit leads some born again believers to destroy their temple, and that's very sad and blasphemous on your part. ‬

No the Holy Spirit doesn’t lead someone to apostasy, that actually happens by grieving the Holy Spirit. As usual you have to resort to your deceitful tactics of trying to discredit me by twisting my position to the most ridiculous level imaginable then revel as if you achieved some sort of victory when in reality all you did was refute your own imagination.

 

[BNR32FAN]

I thought I already cleared this up for you. I told you that God is not the Author of evil, but He does allow evil doers to do their wicked work for a time. Then He torments them is the lake of fire for all eternity, so God sill wins.
They do their thing for a short time but God does His thing forever, that's a bargain. I love it, just as I love everything else that God does.

I thought you said man doesn’t have free will? So which is it? Does man only have free will when it’s convenient for your theology?

 

[BNR32FAN]

I thought I already cleared this up for you. I told you that God is not the Author of evil, but He does allow evil doers to do their wicked work for a time. Then He torments them is the lake of fire for all eternity, so God sill wins.
They do their thing for a short time but God does His thing forever, that's a bargain. I love it, just as I love everything else that God does.

So these evil people who died in the flood were doing what God wanted them to do or were they doing what God didn’t want them to do?

 

[BNR32FAN]

As it is you don't know the truth, at least not in its fullness, or else you'd recognize it in that post. You're locked into a handful of concepts developed by people strictly by reading a book, God's Word, centuries after the fact, divorced from its original historical context and recipients of its revelation, The concepts are plausible enough in some places, strained in others, often wooden and isolated interpretations in any case.

The alternative is that God is the author of sin.


"See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess."

"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him." Duet 30:15-16, 19-20

"Seek good, and not evil, that you may live" Amos 5:14

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Rom 12:21

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matt 22:37-40

There's a reason why we pray, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". And that reason is because of the fact that His will is not at all necessarily done on earth as it is in heaven. God allows evil here, for a time, for a season, for His purpose, after which the two: good and evil, will be eternally separated, no longer allowed to co-exist as His plans for His creation are fully consummated. All truth and beauty and goodness in this world come from God while evil is done by man, coming from those who oppose Him and His will. So tell the victims of abuse, of rape, of torture, of genocide, of the holocaust about how beautiful this world is. You may get a different opinion.

Geez! It was nothing but love-speech, calling man to God and the love He's shown us. But man preferred darkness. What else is new???? Are you saying the darkness is somehow preferable or superior to the light just because man rejected the light?

I’m still waiting for him to explain how free will is a “gnostic belief” after I already quoted Iranaeus refuting total depravity and unconditional election by explaining how God has given man the ability to choose either good or evil in Adversus Haereses. This is a clear example of just spewing out nonsense in complete ignorance for the sake of argument. I literally quoted a second century theologian refuting Gnosticism and two of Calvin’s doctrines and he didn’t pick up on why Iranaeus was refuting them. Absolutely incredible.

 

[Dan1988]

That is not what Paul says is the reason why.

God commands all men everywhere to repent
Because, He has appointed a day in the which He will judge the world in RIGHTEOUSNESS
(not in evil or pomp and circumstance, righteousness) by that Man whom He has appointed, and has given assurance until all in that He raised that Man from the dead.
Acts 17:31-32

It is not in righteousness to command someone to do an impossible task. Acts 17:21-32 clearly marks the view you've subscribed to as false.

The Spirit right now testifying, for it is not of myself that I responded right now, dear one.

None of that makes any sense, its nothing m ore than your private opinion based on your emotions and feeling.

Who are you to say God is not righteous for commanding sinners to repent. Yes He knows the reprobate will never repent because He has not given them the gift of grace and the gift of faith to believe the gospel.

Where did you get the idea that God is obliged to save every devil??? . The truth is He is not obliged to save anyone, the fact that He chose to save a small remnant, demonstrates His mercy and love for underserving sinners.

I'll leave you with a couple of verses which expose your opinion as being unbiblical and based on false doctrine.

Romans 9:21 The verse states: "Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?".
See how Paul makes it clear that God creates some for salvation and others for destruction.

Romans 9:17 "For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, 'For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth'".

I can give you a truck load of verses to prove that my theology is correct and yours falls apart when we apply the light of scripture to it.

 

[Dan1988]

No you completely missed the point. I don’t rely on someone telling me what the Bible says. That’s why the Bible is such a mystery to you because what someone told you it says doesn’t line up with what’s written in it. And you should be ashamed of yourself saying that I’m not a Christian.

God has appointed shepherds to watch over dumb sheep, (sheep are dumb by nature) that's why God needed to appoint shepherds to protect us from the wolves in sheep's clothing.

I see you have thumbed your nose at Gods order and taken the law into your own hands. That's OK, but just remember your blood will be on your own hands.

 

[Dan1988]

Yeah it’s the same “we” who can deny Christ genius.

The "we" who can deny Christ are the reprobate. It's impossible for the elect of God to deny Him.

 

[Dan1988]

As it is you don't know the truth, at least not in its fullness, or else you'd recognize it in that post. You're locked into a handful of concepts developed by people strictly by reading a book, God's Word, centuries after the fact, divorced from its original historical context and recipients of its revelation, The concepts are plausible enough in some places, strained in others, often wooden and isolated interpretations in any case.

The alternative is that God is the author of sin.


"See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. For I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in obedience to him, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the Lord your God will bless you in the land you are entering to possess."

"This day I call the heavens and the earth as witnesses against you that I have set before you life and death, blessings and curses. Now choose life, so that you and your children may live and that you may love the Lord your God, listen to his voice, and hold fast to him." Duet 30:15-16, 19-20

"Seek good, and not evil, that you may live" Amos 5:14

"Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good." Rom 12:21

"Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.” Matt 22:37-40

There's a reason why we pray, "Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven". And that reason is because of the fact that His will is not at all necessarily done on earth as it is in heaven. God allows evil here, for a time, for a season, for His purpose, after which the two: good and evil, will be eternally separated, no longer allowed to co-exist as His plans for His creation are fully consummated. All truth and beauty and goodness in this world come from God while evil is done by man, coming from those who oppose Him and His will. So tell the victims of abuse, of rape, of torture, of genocide, of the holocaust about how beautiful this world is. You may get a different opinion.

Geez! It was nothing but love-speech, calling man to God and the love He's shown us. But man preferred darkness. What else is new???? Are you saying the darkness is somehow preferable or superior to the light just because man rejected the light?

Our theology didn't come from a book, so you're dead wrong there. Our theology comes from 66 books, and yes we believe that Gods Word (the 66 books) trumps anything your guys with long beards and robes have to offer. I'll follow the Lord and you c an follow your guys.

The fact that I reject your theology as unbiblical and false, doesn't mean that God is the Author of sin, in my systematic theology. You assume that because you don't accept the bible doctrines of "predestination and election onto salvation", and "the bible doctrine of reprobation".

There's no point in referring to those verses above, if you don't know who they were spoken to and what their context was.
God is not out of touch with what's happening on the streets, He is street wise enough to know who the believers are and who the reprobate are. Yes the reprobate heard Jesus preach the gospel, as they stood among believers and you think that God is desperate to save the reprobate and that He is depressed because He has failed miserably because the vast majority of mankind are unbelievers heading for the lake of fire.

You can believe in that god who failed in his attempt to save the whole world, but I believe in the God of the Bible who never fails to achieve His goals, because He is Almighty.

Yes I am saying that all of mankind loves sin, and hates God by nature. We are all born in bondage to sin and Satan, He is our Master. He has the legal right to enslave every single person, and He demands we all worship Him and hate God. This is why Gods elect must die and be born again.

 

[Dan1988]

No the Holy Spirit doesn’t lead someone to apostasy, that actually happens by grieving the Holy Spirit. As usual you have to resort to your deceitful tactics of trying to discredit me by twisting my position to the most ridiculous level imaginable then revel as if you achieved some sort of victory when in reality all you did was refute your own imagination.

No it doesn't happen when I grieve the Holy Spirit. I grieve Him everyday, and He has never forsaken me. So you'll have to invent something more convincing, something that nobody has ever thought of before

 

[Dan1988]

I thought you said man doesn’t have free will? So which is it? Does man only have free will when it’s convenient for your theology?

I know you believe that being a slave to sin is to exercise your free will, but I'm here to remind you that it's not true and it is another one of your false, unbiblical doctrines.

Here's what God says about your free will "political movement".

John 8:34-35 Jesus answered them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, whoever commits sin is a slave of sin. And a slave does not abide in the house forever, but a son abides forever. Therefore if the Son makes you free, you shall be free indeed.

As you can see, Jesus confirms that there are only two types of people in the world, the "slaves" and the "free" and I'm free

 

[BNR32FAN]

God has appointed shepherds to watch over dumb sheep, (sheep are dumb by nature) that's why God needed to appoint shepherds to protect us from the wolves in sheep's clothing.

I see you have thumbed your nose at Gods order and taken the law into your own hands. That's OK, but just remember your blood will be on your own hands.

Do you even think about what you post before you post it? You’re the one who refuses to acknowledge everything that was taught in the early church. Where were your shepherds then? According to you the entire church fell away and began teaching a different gospel. You can’t even get your lies straight.

 

[BNR32FAN]

The "we" who can deny Christ are the reprobate. It's impossible for the elect of God to deny Him.

It’s a personal letter written from Paul to Timothy. The only we and us in there is Paul and Timothy. You don’t use the words we and us in a letter to a particular person when you’re referring to someone else. Anyone with a second grade education knows that.