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Thanks so much for this!

Do we have any guidance on how to honor the Sabbath?

I am Protestant and I have no idea about the Sabbath. I was taught it was not relevant, anymore. I'm sure many are taught this. I wouldn't even know where to begin or how to do this in modern life.

I feel quite lost on this point.
If the Sabbath were written on our hearts wouldn't we know it and seek to keep it like the Israelites were commanded?

Concerning Matt 5, Jesus explained that the law would remain until all He came to do was done. I believe Jesus did everything He came to do. Paul wrote in 2 Cor3 KJV that the ten Commandments were done away. His take on the subject is that the ten were instructions for those under the Sinai Covenant. We are under the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit is our guide. Read 2 Cor3:6-11.

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
 
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If the Sabbath were written on our hearts wouldn't we know it and seek to keep it like the Israelites were commanded?

Concerning Matt 5, Jesus explained that the law would remain until all He came to do was done. I believe Jesus did everything He came to do. Paul wrote in 2 Cor3 KJV that the ten Commandments were done away. His take on the subject is that the ten were instructions for those under the Sinai Covenant. We are under the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit is our guide. Read 2 Cor3:6-11.

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
The ministration was done away with from Moses to Christ as He is now our Mediator. God's Laws was not done away with as God promised Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19 they went from tables of stone to be written into tablets of the heart 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 for those who subject themselves to the Law of God Rom8:7-8 through love and faith Rev 14:12 1John5:3 Rom3:31 John14:15
 
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So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?
When a discipled asked Jesus which is the greatest commandment, Jesus replied to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.

A new commandment for us to love each other as he loves us. When you look at the Ten Commandments the first four are concerning loving our Father. The next six all are concerning loving other people. So is it actually a new commandment or a shortened and more direct commandment? If we love one another we will follow those 6 of the Ten Commandments. And if we love God we will follow the first four.
 
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When a discipled asked Jesus which is the greatest commandment, Jesus replied to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.

A new commandment for us to love each other as he loves us. When you look at the Ten Commandments the first four are concerning loving our Father. The next six all are concerning loving other people. So is it actually a new commandment or a shortened and more direct commandment? If we love one another we will follow those 6 of the Ten Commandments. And if we love God we will follow the first four.
Amen! Its sad most churches teach we should love God, but than teach we do not have to do the things that God said we should do if we love Him and bring us to Him. Psa19:7 Its really nonsensical.

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

They run much deeper than people realize and are all interconnected why breaking one we break them all James2:11

Psa 119:96 I have seen the consummation of all perfection, But Your commandment is exceedingly broad.
 
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So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?
Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they said, so it doesn't work for someone to take the position that we should just follow what they said but not what they considered to be an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, so he affirmed all of the commands that God has spoken, not just ten of them.

Thanks so much!

In addition to this, though, there is no mention of Saturday or Sunday or any days in the bible. How do we know what is the 1st, 2nd or 3rd days? How do I know the 7th day isn't Tuesday? I have no idea!
God gave a double portion of Manna to the Israelites for the 7th day for 40 years in the wilderness, so they knew on which day God rested, they have been keeping it ever since, and the period of time that they have been keeping the 7th day holy corresponds to between Friday and Saturday night at sundown.
 
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When a discipled asked Jesus which is the greatest commandment, Jesus replied to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.

A new commandment for us to love each other as he loves us. When you look at the Ten Commandments the first four are concerning loving our Father. The next six all are concerning loving other people. So is it actually a new commandment or a shortened and more direct commandment? If we love one another we will follow those 6 of the Ten Commandments. And if we love God we will follow the first four.
Everything that God has commanded is either in regard to how to love our neighbor and/or Him, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, or idolatry in accordance with the Ten Commandments, but we also won't commit favoritism, rape, kidnapping, and so forth for the rest of God's commandments.

The Ten Commandments are based on five principles that are expressed differently when in regard to our vertical relationships with our creators or our horizontal relationships with our neighbor. For example, the 2nd Commandment against idolatry is to our vertical relationship with God what the 7th Commandment against adultery is to our horizontal relationship with our neighbors. Our parents have a unique relationship with us as our creators that is unlike the relationship that we have with our neighbors, so the command to honor our parents should be grouped with the first five of the Ten Commandments in order to maintain the parallel structure with the 10th Commandment against coveting. If we think that our creators created something of high value, then we will honor our creators and we will not covet others, so they are essentially the commandment to place a high value on ourselves in our vertical and horizontal relationships.
 
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If the Sabbath were written on our hearts wouldn't we know it and seek to keep it like the Israelites were commanded?
In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, and in Ezekiel 36:26-27, it involves God taking away our hearts of stone, giving us hearts of flesh, and sending His Spirit to lead us in obedience to the Torah, so those who do not want to obey the Torah also do not want to be under the New Covenant.

Concerning Matt 5, Jesus explained that the law would remain until all He came to do was done. I believe Jesus did everything He came to do.
While Jesus certainly accomplished much through his first coming, there is still the second coming left to be accomplished.

It was in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity before God made the Mosaic Covenant, so that covenant becoming obsolete does not mean that it is no longer in accordance with God's righteousness to be a doer of charity. While God's covenants include instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness, the way to do that is based on God's righteousness, not on any particular covenant. God's righteousness is eternal (Psalms 119:142), therefore any instructions that He has ever given for how to be a doer of His righteousness are eternally and cumulatively valid (Psalms 119:160). If God were to give two people different sets of instructions for how to be a doer of His righteousness in different situations, then all of those instructions would have the same trait in common, and all of them would be eternally and cumulatively valid for a third person whose goal is to know God by being a doer of His righteousness even though God did not directly give them any instructions. The only way that eternal instructions for how to be a doer of God's righteousness can be ended would be by first ending God's eternal righteousness, and the same is true for God's other character traits.

Paul wrote in 2 Cor3 KJV that the ten Commandments were done away. His take on the subject is that the ten were instructions for those under the Sinai Covenant. We are under the New Covenant and the Holy Spirit is our guide. Read 2 Cor3:6-11.

6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.
God has not commanded anything that is not in accordance with walking in the Spirit, but rather Jesus set a perfect example for us to follow of how to walk in the Spirit by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah. In Acts 5:32, the Spirit has been given to those who obey God. In John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, in Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading to obey the Torah, and in Psalms 119:142, the Torah is truth. In John 16:8, the Spirit has the role of convicting us of sin, and in Romans 3:20, it is by the Torah that we have knowledge of what sin is. In Romans 8:4-7, Paul contrasted those who walk in the Spirit with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah. In Galatians 5:16-23, Paul contrasted with desires of the flesh with the desires of the Spirit and everything that he listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Torah while all of the fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character that the Torah was given in order to teach us how to embody. For example, love is one of the fruits of the Spirit and the greatest two commandments of the Torah are to love God and our neighbor. Romans 2:25-29, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Torah, which is the same way to tell for a Jew (Deuteronomy 30:6), and circumcision of the heart is a matter of the Spirit, which is in contrast with Acts 7:51-53, where those who have uncircumcised hearts resist the Spirit and do not obey the Torah.

In Romans 10:5-8, Paul referred to Deuteronomy 30 as the word of faith that we proclaim in regard to proclaiming that the Torah is not too difficult for us to obey and that obedience to it brings life and a blessing while disobedience brings death and a curse, so choose life! In Deuteronomy 32:46-47, the Torah is our very life. In Proverbs 3:18, it is a Tree of Life for all who take hold of it. In Proverbs 6:23, for the commandment is a lamp and the teaching a light, and the reproofs of discipline are the way of life. In Matthew 19:17, Jesus said that the way to have eternal life is by obeying God's commandments. In Luke 10:25-28, Jesus affirmed that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments of the Torah. In Hebrews 5:9, Jesus has becoming a source of eternal salvation for those who obey him. In Romans 2:6-7, those who persist in doing good will be given eternal life. In Romans 6:19-23, we are no longer to present ourselves as slaves to impurity, lawlessness, and sin, but are now to present ourselves as salves to God and righteousness leading to sanctification, and the goal of sanctification is eternal life in Christ, which is the gift of God, so being a doer of the Torah is God's gift of eternal life.

So 2 Corinthians 3:6 needs to be understood in light of the other verses that says that the New Covenant involves following the Torah, that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Torah, and that being a doer of the Torah is the gift of eternal life rather than a way that contradicts them. If the letter referred to correctly doing what God has commanded and that leads to death, then that would mean that God would be misleading us and shouldn't be trusted, but rather there is something deficient about following the letter that causes the Torah to lead to death rather than life.

7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:

8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10 For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11 For if that which is done away was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.
The fact that the Torah is a ministration of death for those who refuse to submit to it is not a very good reason to refuse to submit to it. The Torah is God's instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits and God's character traits are the fruits of the Spirt, which is why there are many verses that support that the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey it. However, someone can go through the motions of obeying the Torah while neglecting to be a doer of the character traits of God that it was given in order to teach us how to embody and thus neglect to know God and Jesus that is eternal life (John 17:3), which is the letter that letter that leads to death. For example, in Matthew 23:23, Jesus said that tithing was something that they ought to be doing while not neglecting weightier matters of the Torah of justice, mercy, and faithfulness. In Philippians 3:8, Paul had been int he same position where he had been obeying the Torah, but not while being focused on knowing Jesus, so he had been missing the whole goal of the Torah, and counted that as rubbish.
 
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Everything that God has commanded is either in regard to how to love our neighbor and/or Him, which is why Jesus said in Matthew 22:36-40 that those are the greatest two commandments and that all of the other commandments hang on them, so the position that we should obey the greatest two commandments is also the position that we should obey all of the commandments that hang on them. For example, if we love God and our neighbor, then we won't commit adultery, theft, murder, or idolatry in accordance with the Ten Commandments, but we also won't commit favoritism, rape, kidnapping, and so forth for the rest of God's commandments.

The Ten Commandments are based on five principles that are expressed differently when in regard to our vertical relationships with our creators or our horizontal relationships with our neighbor. For example, the 2nd Commandment against idolatry is to our vertical relationship with God what the 7th Commandment against adultery is to our horizontal relationship with our neighbors. Our parents have a unique relationship with us as our creators that is unlike the relationship that we have with our neighbors, so the command to honor our parents should be grouped with the first five of the Ten Commandments in order to maintain the parallel structure with the 10th Commandment against coveting. If we think that our creators created something of high value, then we will honor our creators and we will not covet others, so they are essentially the commandment to place a high value on ourselves in our vertical and horizontal relationships.
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Amen! Its sad most churches teach we should love God, but than teach we do not have to do the things that God said we should do if we love Him and bring us to Him. Psa19:7 Its really nonsensical.

Exo 20:1 And God spoke all these words, saying:

2 “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of [a]bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor [b]serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting[c] the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

They run much deeper than people realize and are all interconnected why breaking one we break them all James2:11

Psa 119:96 I have seen the consummation of all perfection, But Your commandment is exceedingly broad.
God be with you
 
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Concerning Matt 5, Jesus explained that the law would remain until all He came to do was done. I believe Jesus did everything He came to do.
Soyeong stated: "While Jesus certainly accomplished much through his first coming, there is still the second coming left to be accomplished."
Matt 5 says: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Question: Did Jesus accomplish much, or did He accomplish everything He came to do? His first coming He fulfilled the Law and the prophecies. He certainly didn't fulfill all the prophecies, but He did fulfill the prophecies about His coming, which I have to believe was what He was referring. In other words, He brought those prophecies to an end. He fulfilled them. Now that causes a conundrum with those who tell us we are still under Torah Law. Law and prophecies are in the same verse, and He said He came to fulfill both. We have to believe He brought the Law to an end, as well as the prophecies.
 
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When a discipled asked Jesus which is the greatest commandment, Jesus replied to love God with all your heart and to love your neighbor as yourself.

A new commandment for us to love each other as he loves us. When you look at the Ten Commandments the first four are concerning loving our Father. The next six all are concerning loving other people. So is it actually a new commandment or a shortened and more direct commandment? If we love one another we will follow those 6 of the Ten Commandments. And if we love God we will follow the first four.
I do not see anything about loving God or our fellow man in any of the Ten Commandments. Please explain how you have concluded that they are about love. To me, they are explaining what the Israelites' duty was. Actually, they were warnings. The Israelite could keep them out of love for God or fear that they would be reprimanded if they didn't obey.
 
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So, which commandments does Jesus say that we must follow?

Is it the original 10 commandments, as set out in the book of Exodus, or is it the commandments Jesus talks about in the New Testament?
There is only one commandment - Love God and neighbors. So if you love God, you will:
1. Seek to know Him through reading & studying the Bible, and fellowship with other Christians.
2. Honor God by public worship, being baptized, taking communion, and applying God's commandments to yourself.
If you love your neighbor, you will:
1. Fellowship with other Christians, and help them where you see the needs.
2. Pray for them, especially when they persecute you.
3. Share your faith whenever you have opportunity.

In regard to "the Sabbath," Christians met together on Sunday, per Acts 20:7 and other places. Paul taught that no one should be condemned because of sabbaths - Col. 2:16.
 
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Soyeong stated: "While Jesus certainly accomplished much through his first coming, there is still the second coming left to be accomplished."
Matt 5 says: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.
Question: Did Jesus accomplish much, or did He accomplish everything He came to do? His first coming He fulfilled the Law and the prophecies. He certainly didn't fulfill all the prophecies, but He did fulfill the prophecies about His coming, which I have to believe was what He was referring. In other words, He brought those prophecies to an end. He fulfilled them. Now that causes a conundrum with those who tell us we are still under Torah Law. Law and prophecies are in the same verse, and He said He came to fulfill both. We have to believe He brought the Law to an end, as well as the prophecies.


Jesus never came to destroy the law or prophets but to fulfill. It was prophesized that Jesus would magnify His laws Isa 42:21 which means make greater, not smaller. Just like Jesus never came to end the prophecies of His Second Coming , yet to be fulfilled, just like He did not come to destroy the law, so fulfill cannot be the same thing to end. It means like fulfilling a wedding covenant- would you consider doing so free one to commit adultery? Jesus does not want us to commit adultery to Him, which we do when we break the first 4 commandments Exo 20:1-11 how to love God. Jesus wants us to love our neighbor which is fulfilled by keeping the last 6 of the commandments Rom 13:9

Why Jesus said

Mat 5: 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

Can you please share when this has happened?

Math 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

Jesus plainly said the law would not pass, not a jot or tittle, until ALL is fulfilled. He did not come to destroy the law or prophets including His own prophecy that has not been fulfilled

Therefore:

Mat5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven
 
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There is only one commandment - Love God and neighbors. So if you love God, you will:
1. Seek to know Him through reading & studying the Bible, and fellowship with other Christians.
2. Honor God by public worship, being baptized, taking communion, and applying God's commandments to yourself.
If you love your neighbor, you will:
1. Fellowship with other Christians, and help them where you see the needs.
2. Pray for them, especially when they persecute you.
3. Share your faith whenever you have opportunity.

In regard to "the Sabbath," Christians met together on Sunday, per Acts 20:7 and other places. Paul taught that no one should be condemned because of sabbaths - Col. 2:16.
Do you have a verse where we are told not to keep the 4th commandment? Acts 20:7 was a Saturday night meeting after church because they kept every Sabbath Acts18:4 Acts 15:21 and Paul was leaving Sunday morning traveling for another mission trip.

Col2:16 needs more context which Col2:14KJV provides. Its about the annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and offerings, not the Sabbath commandment that started at Creation and points to God as our Creator Exo20:11 and Sanctifier Eze20:12 and I do pray you do think those things are shadows.
 
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Do you have a verse where we are told not to keep the 4th commandment?
Do you have a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to follow the 4th commandment?

Acts 20:7 was a Saturday night meeting after church because they kept every Sabbath Acts18:4 Acts 15:21 and Paul was leaving Sunday morning traveling for another mission trip.
Still the first day since the days during that time ran from 6pm to 6pm the next day. So the first day would have started at 6pm on Saturday which would have made it Sunday.
Col2:16 needs more context which Col2:14KJV provides. Its about the annual ceremonial sabbaths connected to feast days and offerings, not the Sabbath commandment that started at Creation and points to God as our Creator Exo20:11 and Sanctifier Eze20:12 and I do pray you do think those things are shadows.
The problem with your interpretation is that the Greek used is sabbaton which is used throughout the NT when referring to the Jewish sabbath. Paul is indeed talking about the sabbath.

Strong’s Definitions
σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.
 
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Do you have a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to follow the 4th commandment?
John14:15 1 John5:3 Luke23:56 Heb4:4,9-10 etc
Still the first day since the days during that time ran from 6pm to 6pm the next day. So the first day would have started at 6pm on Saturday which would have made it Sunday.
The days start at evening to evening, yes it was a Saturday night or the beginning of the first day for biblical days. Still doesn't change the context of why they were meeting, or that it deletes one of God's commandments. The apostles met on various days, doesn't mean it starts deleting commandments.
The problem with your interpretation is that the Greek used is sabbaton which is used throughout the NT when referring to the Jewish sabbath. Paul is indeed talking about the sabbath.
sabaton means sabbath agreed. It could mean the weekly Sabbath or yearly sabbath(s) context tells us what it means. Which Paul did a good job of explaining, but sadly most will gloss over or not read.
Strong’s Definitions
σάββατον sábbaton, sab'-bat-on; of Hebrew origin (H7676); the Sabbath (i.e. Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension, a se'nnight, i.e. the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications:—sabbath (day), week.


“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals. There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary.
 
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John14:15 1 John5:3 Luke23:56 Heb4:4,9-10 etc
None of those are post crucifixion and in some you can’t even prove which commandments so try again.
The days start at evening to evening, yes it was a Saturday night or the beginning of the first day for biblical days. Still doesn't change the context of why they were meeting, or that it deletes one of God's commandments. The apostles met on various days, doesn't mean it starts deleting commandments.
It does change the context. They gathered to worship.
sabaton means sabbath agreed. It could mean the weekly Sabbath or yearly sabbath(s) context tells us what it means. Which Paul did a good job of explaining, but sadly most will gloss over or not read.
You can’t eliminate definitions just because you don’t like them. The context of the verse does not remove the Jewish sabbath.
“... Or of the Sabbath days - Greek, “of the Sabbaths.” The word Sabbath in the Old Testament is applied not only to the seventh day, but to all the days of holy rest that were observed by the Hebrews, and particularly to the beginning and close of their great festivals.
Which is why you cannot discount that Paul is indeed talking about ALL sabbath days including the seventh day sabbath.
There is, doubtless, reference to those days in this place, since the word is used in the plural number, and the apostle does not refer particularly to the Sabbath properly so called. There is no evidence from this passage that he would teach that there was no obligation to observe any holy time, for there is not the slightest reason to believe that he meant to teach that one of the ten commandments had ceased to be binding on mankind. If he had used the word in the singular number - “the Sabbath,” it would then, of course, have been clear that he meant to teach that that commandment had ceased to be binding, and that a Sabbath was no longer to be observed. But the use of the term in the plural number, and the connection, show that he had his eye on the great number of days which were observed by the Hebrews as festivals, as a part of their ceremonial and typical law, and not to the moral law, or the Ten Commandments. No part of the moral law - no one of the ten commandments could be spoken of as “a shadow of good things to come.” These commandments are, from the nature of moral law, of perpetual and universal obligation. ...” - Albert Barnes, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Adam Clarke, states on the same passage:

There is no intimation here that the Sabbath was done away, or that its moral use was superseded, by the introduction of Christianity. I have shown elsewhere that, Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, is a command of perpetual obligation, and can never be superseded but by the final termination of time. ...” - Adam Clarke, Colossians 2:16 Commentary. E-Sword App.

Jamieson, Fausset and Brown Commentary states:
“... the sabbath — Omit “THE,” which is not in the Greek (compare Note, see on Gal_4:10). “SABBATHS” (not “the sabbaths”) of the day of atonement and feast of tabernacles have come to an end with the Jewish services to which they belonged (Lev_23:32, Lev_23:37-39). The weekly sabbath rests on a more permanent foundation, having been instituted in Paradise to commemorate the completion of creation in six days. Lev_23:38 expressly distinguished “the sabbath of the Lord” from the other sabbaths. A positive precept is right because it is commanded, and ceases to be obligatory when abrogated; a moral precept is commanded eternally, because it is eternally right. If we could keep a perpetual sabbath, as we shall hereafter, the positive precept of the sabbath, one in each week, would not be needed. Heb_4:9, “rests,” Greek, “keeping of sabbath” (Isa_66:23). But we cannot, since even Adam, in innocence, needed one amidst his earthly employments; therefore the sabbath is still needed and is therefore still linked with the other nine commandments, as obligatory in the spirit, though the letter of the law has been superseded by that higher spirit of love which is the essence of law and Gospel alike (Rom_13:8-10). ...” - Jamieson, Fausset and Brown, Colossians 2:16 Commentary.
The problem with commentaries is that you will choose the ones that agree with you and will ignore the ones I post that don’t agree with you. And as you have stated many times before they are not scripture so I find it interesting that you use them when is convenient for you but ignore the ones that other people post as not being scripture.

I don’t agree with the ones that you posted because they are ignoring actual possible definitions of the word and assuming others. If you want have the battle of the commentaries then I’ll find some that I like.
 
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It does change the context. They gathered to worship.
Not according to the Text.

Act 20:7 7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Doesn't say anything about transferring the Sabbath, changing God's commandment, a new day of worship, deleting one of God's commandments.

They came together to break bread or have a meal, which is something they did daily. Acts 2:46

I am not going to continue debating this further. If you don't want to keep the Sabbath commandment, God never forces anyone to do so. I am just not sure one would be happy in heaven when Sabbath worship continues for eternity. Isa66:22-23 Its why I believe His judgement is one of love.

God will be the judge of this debate. I am pretty sure He made clear His will spoken and written by Him personally, but I guess we shall all find out soon enough.
 
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Not according to the Text.
Exactly because of the text. The festivals are listed by itself and the sabbath is listed by itself. So Paul’s warning applies to both equally.

The other issue that you have is that the scholarship are not in agreement on whether sabbaton is plural or not. Several translations do not use the pleural like the NASB that I posted below. Others that use the singular is the NIV, ESV, CSB, and others.

“Therefore, no one is to act as your judge in regard to food and drink, or in respect to a festival or a new moon, or a Sabbath day—”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭2‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
Act 20:7 7 Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

Doesn't say anything about transferring the Sabbath, changing God's commandment, a new day of worship, deleting one of God's commandments.
You call it transfer but it is not a transfer but merely the new covenant. In the new covenant it became the day of the Lord because every single appearance of Christ after His crucifixion happened on a Sunday NOT a Saturday. Hence me asking you for a post crucifixion verse that requires the Christian to keep the 4th commandment.
They came together to break bread or have a meal, which is something they did daily. Acts 2:46
No. Acts 2:46 does not teach that they were having their worship every day. The apostles are also not included in these verses but I sure they might have joined some of the believers for supper. If you are going to argue that they worshipped every day then you are arguing against the sabbath.

“And all the believers were together and had all things in common; and they would sell their property and possessions and share them with all, to the extent that anyone had need. Day by day continuing with one mind in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they were taking their meals together with gladness and sincerity of heart, praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord was adding to their number day by day those who were being saved.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭44‬-‭47‬ ‭NASB2020‬‬
 
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For those who might be interested in looking a little deeper of the context because we do not want to be cheated

Col2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

More context that no one seems to look at for some reason.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

The Ten Commandments was written by the finger of God Exo31:18 which is the Holy Spirit Luk 11:20 Mat 12:28 Moses is who hand wrote the ordinances that were outside the ark of the covenant where all the annual feasts days, that some were annual sabbaths drink and food offering the context of the passage.

2 Cor 33:8 and I will not again remove the foot of Israel from the land which I have appointed for your fathers—only if they are careful to do all that I have commanded them, according to the whole law and the statutes and the ordinances by the hand of Moses.”

Is the Sabbath commandment against and contrary to us

Lets look at what Jesus said:

Mat 2:28 The Sabbath was made for man

The Sabbath was made for man, what God makes for man is not against us. The Sabbath is blessed and sanctified by God, its not the definition of contrary and against

Sadly, this interpetation of Pauls writings places God against man. It makes God the Creator and our Sanctifier a shadow, It’s why we need to be careful with Pauls writings as we were told what some people would do to them as they do with the rest of Scriptures 2Peter3:16


So looking at the immediate context shows clearly Paul is not speaking of the Sabbath commandment. Nor does Paul have the authority to change God's written and spoken Testimony Exo 31:18 the words of the covenant Exo 34:28 that God promised He would not alter Psa 89:34 they went from written on tables of stone to written on tablets of the heart 2 Cor 3:3 Heb 8:10 because God keeps His promises.

Right here is enough to know Paul is not referring to the Sabbath commandment, but lets keep going.

This is what Paul is quoting the law he is referring to is from

Deu 31:24 And it came to pass, when Moses had made an end of writing the words of this law in a book, until they were finished,
Deu 31:25 That Moses commanded the Levites, which bare the ark of the covenant of the LORD, saying,
Deu 31:26 Take this book of the law, and put it in the side of the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there for a witness against thee.

The laws that were beside the ark of the Covenant handwritten by Moses, there as a witness against, the context of Col 2:14


But lets look at this verse closer

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
The Greek word for sabbath here is plural not singular. So its not speaking of "The" Sabbath day "The holy day of the Lord" as already seen in the context.

Paul is quoting Ezekiel all of the sacrifices and offerings.

Eze 45:17 And it shall be the prince's part to give burnt offerings, and meat offerings, and drink offerings, in the feasts, and in the new moons, and in the sabbaths, in all solemnities of the house of Israel: he shall prepare the sin offering, and the meat offering, and theburnt offering, and the peace offerings, to make reconciliation for the house of Israel.

What was predicted would end when Jesus came?

Dan 9:27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."

So this is not about any of the Ten Commandments but about the food and drink offerings, feast days that some were also sabbath(s) that were handwritten by Moses placed besides the ark of the covenant that came after the fall of man. The Sabbath started at Creation before sin Exo 20:11 so can't be a "shadow" of anything as it is part of God's perfect plan before sin took over and a need for a plan of salvation and the Sabbath points to our Creator Exo20:11 who is not a shadow. .

Why if you look at the next verse it clearly shows what it is referring to which works in perfect harmony with the context

Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with these same sacrifices, which they offer continually year by year, make those who approach perfect.
Heb 10:2 For then would they not have ceased to be offered? For the worshipers, once purified, would have had no more consciousness of sins.
Heb 10:3 But in those sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. (contrary and against)
Heb 10:4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and goats could take away sins.
Heb 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said: "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING YOU DID NOT DESIRE, BUT A BODY YOU HAVE PREPARED FOR ME.
Heb 10:6 IN BURNT OFFERINGS AND SACRIFICES FOR SIN YOU HAD NO PLEASURE.
Heb 10:7 THEN I SAID, 'BEHOLD, I HAVE COME—IN THE VOLUME OF THE BOOK IT IS WRITTEN OF ME—TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD.' "
Heb 10:8 Previously saying, "SACRIFICE AND OFFERING, BURNT OFFERINGS, AND OFFERINGS FOR SIN YOU DID NOT DESIRE, NOR HAD PLEASURE IN THEM" (which are offered according to the law),
Heb 10:9 then He said, "BEHOLD, I HAVE COME TO DO YOUR WILL, O GOD." He takes away the first that He may establish the second.

Exo 12:17 43 So the Lord said to Moses and Aaron: This is the ordinance of the Passover:
1Co 5:7 Therefore purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new lump, since you truly are unleavened. For indeed Christ, our Passover, was sacrificed for us.


Ai understood this too



Guess all will get sorted out at His soon return.
 
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