Who then can be saved?

[BNR32FAN]

Verse 4 is not a condiment or a condition for salvation, Jesus is simply encouraging saved people to trust Him. That's why no saved person can do anything without Him. He does everything for us.

In Verse 7 He repeats the promise to encourage saved people to remain steadfast in the faith. But never does He say, I command you to abide in Me or you will lose your salvation, this is what your denomination teaches you,. but te Lord would never says something so silly.

You think God has to specifically add the words “I command you” in order for it to be a commandment when He tells someone to do something? So Noah didn’t really have to build the ark then? He was never commanded to. Moses didn’t have to go to Pharaoh or lead the Jews out of Egypt? He was never commanded to. Jonah didn’t have to go to Nineveh? He was never commanded to.

In Matthew 10 while Jesus was explaining to His disciples the importance of persevering in the face of persecution He said this…

“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He also said this…

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So are you saying that they will be saved even if they don’t endure to the end? What’s the point of telling them that they will be saved if they “endure to the end” aka “abide, stay, remain, continue” if they’re going to be saved REGARDLESS of whether or not they endure, abide, stay, remain, or continue?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Yes but your explanation of the scriptures, contradicts what God said about the matter. That's the big problem I have with your version of theology

You haven’t shown a single passage of scripture that my theology contradicts. I’m quoting scripture every single time to prove that everything I’m saying doesn’t contradict scripture.

 

[BNR32FAN]

How do you suppose Paul knew that they were all genuine believers??? answer >>> he didn't know, because only God and the individual know. There has always been tares in every wheat field.

Yes Paul gave all of them the benefit of doubt, because He is not privileged to know w3hat God knows.

Yes he’s addressing them on the assumption that they are believers and he’s telling ALL OF THEM that they are carnal and they are NOT spiritually appraised. They can’t understand the things of God because they are acting like mere men, they’re not setting their mind on the Spirit they’re setting their mind on the flesh even tho they are believers. He’s addressing all of them, are all of them unbelievers? Are all of them tares among the wheat? He’s not telling them that they can’t be spiritually appraised, he’s telling them that they should be spiritually appraised and the reason that they’re not is because they’re setting their mind on the flesh instead of setting their mind on the Spirit. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that he just so happened to tell them how to be spiritually appraised just 2 sentences before telling them that they are still fleshly and carnal acting like mere men?

 

[Dan1988]

So God condemns people for behaving the only way that they are capable of behaving because He created them incapable of behaving otherwise?

No, God condemns people for sinning against Him. They were born with a sin nature, so yes they drink sin like water. They take to sinning, like a fist to water. It's their nature to sin, as for why they are the way they are, well the Bible tells us they inherited their sin nature from Adam.

Note, God is not the author of sin, we know that. Does He allow sinners to sin, obviously He does. But He is not responsible for their sin, each one will pay for his sins in hell.

Remember, God is a mystery, we don't know much about Him. All we know is what He revealed about Himself in the Bible and that's it. ,He hasn't spoken a Word to us for the past 2000 years. So let's not make presumptions and assumptions about why God does what He does.;
Gods ways are infinitely higher than ours and they are past finding out, so best you leave God to do what he does and don't pry into His business.

Everything God does is perfectly good, I know you don't like the fact that God tortures [people in the lake of fire forever. But I praise Him for it, just as I praise Him for everything else He does.

 

[Dan1988]

Repentance precedes receiving the Holy Spirit. In Acts 2 Peter said repent and you will receive the Holy Spirit.

“Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭2‬:‭38‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The people in Samaria believed before receiving the Holy Spirit, probably at least a few days before Peter and John received word of their conversion then had to travel 70 miles from Jerusalem to Samaria to lay hands on them so that they would receive the Holy Spirit.

“But when they believed Philip preaching the good news about the kingdom of God and the name of Jesus Christ, they were being baptized, men and women alike. Even Simon himself believed; and after being baptized, he continued on with Philip, and as he observed signs and great miracles taking place, he was constantly amazed. Now when the apostles in Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent them Peter and John, who came down and prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For He had not yet fallen upon any of them; they had simply been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then they began laying their hands on them, and they were receiving the Holy Spirit.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭8‬:‭12‬-‭17‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Cornelius was a devout man who feared God and prayed continuously before he received the Holy Spirit.

“Now there was a man at Caesarea named Cornelius, a centurion of what was called the Italian cohort, a devout man and one who feared God with all his household, and gave many alms to the Jewish people and prayed to God continually.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10‬:‭1‬-‭2‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit fell upon all those who were listening to the message. All the circumcised believers who came with Peter were amazed, because the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out on the Gentiles also.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭10‬:‭44‬-‭45‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

In Acts 19 Paul met 12 believers who had not received the Holy Spirit.

“It happened that while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul passed through the upper country and came to Ephesus, and found some disciples. He said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” And they said to him, “No, we have not even heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.” And he said, “Into what then were you baptized?” And they said, “Into John’s baptism.” Paul said, “John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus.” When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they began speaking with tongues and prophesying. There were in all about twelve men.”
‭‭Acts‬ ‭19‬:‭1‬-‭7‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

These facts prove that a person can in fact repent before they receive the Holy Spirit. The examples are shown clearly in scripture over and over. In fact they absolutely have to repent before they can receive the Holy Spirit. There’s not a single verse anywhere in the scriptures that says that anyone received the Holy Spirit before repenting and believing.

That's mall well and good, in theory. But it doesn't work in reality. Why, because you failed to take into account the fact that salvation is not by works. You're still pushing the false idea that God saves people because of their good works.
You have made repentance, faith and everything else a work to earn salvation.

Now the truth of that matter is that man only offers God his filthy rags and his stinking corpse, in exchange for eternal life in paradise and all the treasures of the universe.

You obviously reject what God said about the state of man, when He said we are born dead in our sin.

Now lets see where repentance comes from (I can do this for every other thing, which you think we must do to be saved) but I will just give you the truth of Gods Word regarding "Repentance", let me warn you this will be awful for you but think of it as bitter medicine.

• Acts 11:18: "When they heard these things, they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, 'Then God has to the Gentiles granted repentance that leads to life.'"
• Acts 5:31: "Him God exalted to his right hand to be our Prince and Savior, so that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel."
• 2 Timothy 2:25: "[God] opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. He corrects them gently, in the hope that he will give them repentance and they will know the truth."
• John 6:65: "And he said, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted to him by the Father.'

 

[Dan1988]

Your faith has saved you. Jesus said that. What must I do to be saved? Paul’s reply was “believe”. I showed you these passages and you just ignored them. Grace for salvation does not precede faith, it is received THRU FAITH which means that faith is the means by which we receive the grace of salvation. Furthermore the word grace isn’t limited to receiving salvation, grace is anything that God does for someone. The words of the prophets in the scriptures are grace, Christ’s ministry is grace, His sacrifice is grace, His atonement is grace, the gospel is grace, the Great Commission is grace. God The Father and Jesus have been bestowing grace upon man since the day Adam was created. Jesus bestowed grace upon all mankind when He commanded the apostles to go forth and preach the gospel to all nations in the Great Commission. So you can claim that faith does save us but Jesus and Paul both said that it does and I showed you exactly where they said it.

Please refrain from playing word games, as it is childish.

No, No, No, faith does not proceed grace. Grace proceeds faith as I have already proven but you keep rejecting what Gods has said consistently in order to give your religious denomination validity.

I have also proven that faith is a gift which God only gives to His elect, so that's another blow to your religion.

 

[Dan1988]

In Romans 1:16 Paul said that the gospel is the power of God for salvation. The scriptures state several times that the word of God does in fact save us.

“For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.”
‭‭Romans‬ ‭1‬:‭16‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

““Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My WORD, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.”
‭‭John‬ ‭5‬:‭24‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“In the exercise of His will He brought us forth by the WORD of truth, so that we would be a kind of first fruits among His creatures.”
‭‭James‬ ‭1‬:‭18‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

“for you have been born again not of seed which is perishable but imperishable, that is, through the living and enduring WORD of God.”
‭‭1 Peter‬ ‭1‬:‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

The gospel has the power to elicit a response in those who hear it. So no, when people hear the gospel and receive it they’re not saving themselves at all, they’re actually being saved by the Word of God given to man by God Himself that Jesus commanded His apostles to preach to all nations which was to fulfill His promise that when He is lifted up He will draw all men to Himself in John 12:32. You seem to think that the word of God itself has no power at all.

No, you're dead wrong again and let me prove it. You reckon dead men hear the gospel, but God said it's impossible for them to hear it.

From what I can see, your erroneous interpret of the gospel always stems from your premise that "man is saved by works" or ":keeping the law" but that idea was well and truly debunked by the Reformers 500 years ago. I'm surprised you haven't woken up to it yet.

The gospel is trash to those who are perishing, it has the stench of death to them and they hate it. So what makes you think that any intelligent person would embrace something that stinks like a corpse??? your version of the gospel makes no sense at all.

 

[Dan1988]

You think God has to specifically add the words “I command you” in order for it to be a commandment when He tells someone to do something? So Noah didn’t really have to build the ark then? He was never commanded to. Moses didn’t have to go to Pharaoh or lead the Jews out of Egypt? He was never commanded to. Jonah didn’t have to go to Nineveh? He was never commanded to.

In Matthew 10 while Jesus was explaining to His disciples the importance of persevering in the face of persecution He said this…

“You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭22‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

He also said this…

“Do not fear those who kill the body but are unable to kill the soul; but rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10‬:‭28‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

So are you saying that they will be saved even if they don’t endure to the end? What’s the point of telling them that they will be saved if they “endure to the end” aka “abide, stay, remain, continue” if they’re going to be saved REGARDLESS of whether or not they endure, abide, stay, remain, or continue?

Where is the command in any of those verses? answer only in your imagination, you just made that up.
God doesn't have a problem with his grammar, He doesn't need you to change the wording of His verses. He is quite capable of speaking for Himself, even if you don't agree with what He says.

Jesus was simply stating facts, like If you put your hand in the fire, you will get burned. He wasn't saying I command you to put your hand in the fire so I can prove my point.

 

[Dan1988]

You haven’t shown a single passage of scripture that my theology contradicts. I’m quoting scripture every single time to prove that everything I’m saying doesn’t contradict scripture.

There's nothing wrong with scripture, but everything is wrong with your interpretation of it, as I have consistently demonstrated and proved that your interpretation is always incorrect, because it's fundamentally flawed.

 

[Dan1988]

Yes he’s addressing them on the assumption that they are believers and he’s telling ALL OF THEM that they are carnal and they are NOT spiritually appraised. They can’t understand the things of God because they are acting like mere men, they’re not setting their mind on the Spirit they’re setting their mind on the flesh even tho they are believers. He’s addressing all of them, are all of them unbelievers? Are all of them tares among the wheat? He’s not telling them that they can’t be spiritually appraised, he’s telling them that they should be spiritually appraised and the reason that they’re not is because they’re setting their mind on the flesh instead of setting their mind on the Spirit. Do you think that it’s a coincidence that he just so happened to tell them how to be spiritually appraised just 2 sentences before telling them that they are still fleshly and carnal acting like mere men?

Of' course Paul is addressing them as believers. My Pastor addresses our Church as if we are all true believers. But there are always "Judas Iscariots" in every Church, many Judas' are in the pulpit and they lead Churches for decades and nobody knows they are Devils, disguised as Men of God.

We don't treat any Church member with suspicion and distrust. Every member gets the benefit of (innocent until proven guilty). In any case the Church is all about the Lord Jesus, we must die to self and He must take over every single aspect of our lives. He must increase and we must decrease, because we are nothing and He is everything.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, God condemns people for sinning against Him. They were born with a sin nature, so yes they drink sin like water. They take to sinning, like a fist to water. It's their nature to sin, as for why they are the way they are, well the Bible tells us they inherited their sin nature from Adam.

Note, God is not the author of sin, we know that. Does He allow sinners to sin, obviously He does. But He is not responsible for their sin, each one will pay for his sins in hell.

Remember, God is a mystery, we don't know much about Him. All we know is what He revealed about Himself in the Bible and that's it. ,He hasn't spoken a Word to us for the past 2000 years. So let's not make presumptions and assumptions about why God does what He does.;
Gods ways are infinitely higher than ours and they are past finding out, so best you leave God to do what he does and don't pry into His business.

Everything God does is perfectly good, I know you don't like the fact that God tortures [people in the lake of fire forever. But I praise Him for it, just as I praise Him for everything else He does.

So God made men sinners because it’s what He willed for them to be? He created man to be rebellious and disobedient because that what He wanted them to be?

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's mall well and good, in theory. But it doesn't work in reality. Why, because you failed to take into account the fact that salvation is not by works. You're still pushing the false idea that God saves people because of their good works.
You have made repentance, faith and everything else a work to earn salvation.

Now the truth of that matter is that man only offers God his filthy rags and his stinking corpse, in exchange for eternal life in paradise and all the treasures of the universe.

You obviously reject what God said about the state of man, when He said we are born dead in our sin.

Now lets see where repentance comes from (I can do this for every other thing, which you think we must do to be saved) but I will just give you the truth of Gods Word regarding "Repentance", let me warn you this will be awful for you but think of it as bitter medicine.

• Acts 11:18: "When they heard these things, they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, 'Then God has to the Gentiles granted repentance that leads to life.'"
• Acts 5:31: "Him God exalted to his right hand to be our Prince and Savior, so that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel."
• 2 Timothy 2:25: "[God] opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. He corrects them gently, in the hope that he will give them repentance and they will know the truth."
• John 6:65: "And he said, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted to him by the Father.'

Woah back up a verse brother. You quoted verse 18 but neglected to read verse 17 carefully.

“Therefore if God gave to them the same gift as He gave to us also AFTER BELIEVING in the Lord Jesus Christ, who was I that I could stand in God’s way?” When they heard this, they quieted down and glorified God, saying, “Well then, God has granted to the Gentiles also the repentance that leads to life.””
‭‭Acts‬ ‭11‬:‭17‬-‭18‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

God gave them the gift AFTER BELIEVING, not before. That’s what the passage actually says.

And in Acts 5:31 yes Jesus did grant repentance to Israel. Did they repent? Some of them did but most of them didn’t since it was the majority of Israel that crucified Him.

2 Timothy 2:25 Paul is telling Timothy to be kind and patient towards the unrepentant because God might lead them to repentance and they might come to their senses. It for say that they can’t repent it just says that God might grant them repentance which means that He might cause something to happen in their life that would lead them to repentance. It doesn’t say that they can’t repent unless God grants them the ability to. As I’ve already pointed out to you in Romans 2:4-5 God is in fact leading those people to repentance and yet they are still refusing to cooperate as did Israel for 1500 years.

And in response to John 6:65 I’ve already addressed this verse along with John 6:44 by demonstrating that this is how man was drawn to Christ during His ministry and John 12:32 describes how man is drawn to Christ after His crucifixion and so far you still haven’t addressed this passage.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Please refrain from playing word games, as it is childish.

No, No, No, faith does not proceed grace. Grace proceeds faith as I have already proven but you keep rejecting what Gods has said consistently in order to give your religious denomination validity.

I have also proven that faith is a gift which God only gives to His elect, so that's another blow to your religion.

You proved it where? Please do quote the post where you proved that.

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, you're dead wrong again and let me prove it. You reckon dead men hear the gospel, but God said it's impossible for them to hear it.

Where did He say that? If you’re going to make claims about something that God said it’s best to actually quote where exactly He said it. Then you’ll have actually proved something. Making empty claims isn’t proof of anything.

From what I can see, your erroneous interpret of the gospel always stems from your premise that "man is saved by works" or ":keeping the law" but that idea was well and truly debunked by the Reformers 500 years ago. I'm surprised you haven't woken up to it yet.

Quote where I said anything about anyone being saved by works. I never said anything about anyone being saved by works or keeping the law. In fact I don’t recall mentioning the law anywhere in this discussion and the only time I’ve mention salvation by works is when I was telling you that what I had posted had nothing to do with works.

The gospel is trash to those who are perishing, it has the stench of death to them and they hate it. So what makes you think that any intelligent person would embrace something that stinks like a corpse??? your version of the gospel makes no sense at all.

So you’re saying that Jesus and Paul were wrong then? You’re just going to ignore the passages of scripture that I quoted where they specifically said that the word of God does save people?

 

[BNR32FAN]

Where is the command in any of those verses? answer only in your imagination, you just made that up.
God doesn't have a problem with his grammar, He doesn't need you to change the wording of His verses. He is quite capable of speaking for Himself, even if you don't agree with what He says.

Jesus was simply stating facts, like If you put your hand in the fire, you will get burned. He wasn't saying I command you to put your hand in the fire so I can prove my point.

Answer my questions. Was Noah commanded to build an ark or not? Was Moses commanded to go to Pharaoh or not? Was Jonah commanded to go to Nineveh or not? Answer the question.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There's nothing wrong with scripture, but everything is wrong with your interpretation of it, as I have consistently demonstrated and proved that your interpretation is always incorrect, because it's fundamentally flawed.

No in reality you just keep making empty claims and refusing to provide scripture to support them while ignoring every passage of scripture I’ve presented to actually prove my points. My interpretation of scripture makes man responsible for his unbelief. Your interpretation makes God responsible for man’s unbelief. I expect to have to defend God from atheists and other unbelievers, but it’s pretty sad when I have to defend Him from professing Christians.

 

[BNR32FAN]

Of' course Paul is addressing them as believers. My Pastor addresses our Church as if we are all true believers. But there are always "Judas Iscariots" in every Church, many Judas' are in the pulpit and they lead Churches for decades and nobody knows they are Devils, disguised as Men of God.

We don't treat any Church member with suspicion and distrust. Every member gets the benefit of (innocent until proven guilty). In any case the Church is all about the Lord Jesus, we must die to self and He must take over every single aspect of our lives. He must increase and we must decrease, because we are nothing and He is everything.

But he’s NOT telling them that they are incapable of being spiritually appraised. And you keep refusing to answer the question, were they spiritually appraised and were they believers? Why won’t you answer the question?

 

[BNR32FAN]

That's mall well and good, in theory. But it doesn't work in reality. Why, because you failed to take into account the fact that salvation is not by works. You're still pushing the false idea that God saves people because of their good works.
You have made repentance, faith and everything else a work to earn salvation.

Now the truth of that matter is that man only offers God his filthy rags and his stinking corpse, in exchange for eternal life in paradise and all the treasures of the universe.

You obviously reject what God said about the state of man, when He said we are born dead in our sin.

Now lets see where repentance comes from (I can do this for every other thing, which you think we must do to be saved) but I will just give you the truth of Gods Word regarding "Repentance", let me warn you this will be awful for you but think of it as bitter medicine.

• Acts 11:18: "When they heard these things, they fell silent. And they glorified God, saying, 'Then God has to the Gentiles granted repentance that leads to life.'"
• Acts 5:31: "Him God exalted to his right hand to be our Prince and Savior, so that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel."
• 2 Timothy 2:25: "[God] opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble. He corrects them gently, in the hope that he will give them repentance and they will know the truth."
• John 6:65: "And he said, 'This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted to him by the Father.'

So why is Jesus marveling at the unbelief of the Nazarenes in Mark 6?

“And He wondered at their unbelief. And He was going around the villages teaching.”
‭‭Mark‬ ‭6‬:‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Have they thwarted God’s will for them to believe or is Jesus shocked that these people whom God has blinded are incapable of believing?

Why is Jesus weeping over the unbelief of Jerusalem in Luke 19:41-44 if it’s God’s will that they cannot believe? I’ll give you a hint, the answer has everything to do with John 6:44.

“When He approached Jerusalem, He saw the city and wept over it, saying, “If you had known in this day, even you, the things which make for peace! But now they have been hidden from your eyes. For the days will come upon you when your enemies will throw up a barricade against you, and surround you and hem you in on every side, and they will level you to the ground and your children within you, and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not recognize the time of your visitation.””
‭‭Luke‬ ‭19‬:‭41‬-‭44‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Why is Jesus denouncing cities for their unbelief when He had performed so many miracles in those cities trying to get them to believe? He even says that if He had performed those miracles in Tyre or Sodom that they would’ve repented and believed.

“Then He began to denounce the cities in which most of His miracles were done, because they did not repent. “Woe to you, Chorazin! Woe to you, Bethsaida! For if the miracles had occurred in Tyre and Sidon which occurred in you, they would have repented long ago in sackcloth and ashes. Nevertheless I say to you, it will be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon in the day of judgment than for you. And you, Capernaum, will not be exalted to heaven, will you? You will descend to Hades; for if the miracles had occurred in Sodom which occurred in you, it would have remained to this day.”
‭‭Matthew‬ ‭11‬:‭20‬-‭23‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Why does God marvel at the disobedience of Jerusalem in Jeremiah 8?

“Why then has this people, Jerusalem, Turned away in continual apostasy? They hold fast to deceit, They refuse to return. I have listened and heard, They have spoken what is not right; No man repented of his wickedness, Saying, ‘What have I done?’ Everyone turned to his course, Like a horse charging into the battle.”
‭‭Jeremiah‬ ‭8‬:‭5‬-‭6‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

Is God confused about why they are refusing to repent knowing that they are incapable of repentance because He hasn’t given them that ability? They were His CHOSEN PEOPLE. Why is God asking why they have turned away to apostasy?

Again in Ezekiel 33 why is Gos asking why then will you die O house of Israel when it’s obvious from the passage that it’s not what He wants them to do?

“Say to them, ‘As I live!’ declares the Lord God, ‘I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that the wicked turn from his way and live. Turn back, turn back from your evil ways! Why then will you die, O house of Israel?’”
‭‭Ezekiel‬ ‭33‬:‭11‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

In Deuteronomy 30 Moses wrote

““For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach. It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’ But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it. “See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity; in that I command you today to love the Lord your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the Lord your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it. But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them, I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it. I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants, by loving the Lord your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.””
‭‭Deuteronomy‬ ‭30‬:‭11‬-‭20‬ ‭NASB1995‬‬

It is undoubtedly clear that God has placed the choice of obedience or disobedience, life or death in the hands of the Israelites in this passage and they still chose disobedience.

 

[BNR32FAN]

There's always been only one way to come to Christ. We are all born dead in sin, and we remain dead unless God quickens us to life and saves us.

I was dead in my sin when God saved me, you're suggesting that those who are dead in sin can activate their faith and force God to make them alive and save them. But there's nothing in the bible to support your silly theory.

The only thing dead men can do is stink, and all they can contribute to their salvation is filthy stinking rags.

How about actually explaining the passage?

 

[BNR32FAN]

No, God condemns people for sinning against Him. They were born with a sin nature, so yes they drink sin like water. They take to sinning, like a fist to water. It's their nature to sin, as for why they are the way they are, well the Bible tells us they inherited their sin nature from Adam.

Note, God is not the author of sin, we know that. Does He allow sinners to sin, obviously He does. But He is not responsible for their sin, each one will pay for his sins in hell.

Remember, God is a mystery, we don't know much about Him. All we know is what He revealed about Himself in the Bible and that's it. ,He hasn't spoken a Word to us for the past 2000 years. So let's not make presumptions and assumptions about why God does what He does.;
Gods ways are infinitely higher than ours and they are past finding out, so best you leave God to do what he does and don't pry into His business.

Everything God does is perfectly good, I know you don't like the fact that God tortures [people in the lake of fire forever. But I praise Him for it, just as I praise Him for everything else He does.

You started off by replying with the word “no”. Are you saying that God did not will or desire for man to be born in a fallen state of total depravity?