The root of sin, behaviour and God's presence and power boils off, Satan, persuasion, 3 deaths, repentance, salvation?

[GoldenKingGaze]

I am thinking about sin, it's roots and spread, the consequences of losing the receiving of God's living water, light... the nature of sin behaviour and how God cannot accept it after seeking a way. The initial first sins, pride, vanity, deception, avarice, then adultery, ambition, slavery, theft, murder...

Sin seems to be like a substance and not just a concept, to create a drive for disorder. It lives in our bodies. Satan's motives, words, some tree of knowledge of good and evil and taking, stealing, eating, now it lives in us. All sin was transferred into Jesus hanging on a tree. It was a pressure.

Satan repels living water and light... fire is opposed to him as if he is pure dross in the crucible.

Satan will not repent, but if he did, it could lead all the lost in sin, back through him. I think sin carries on like seed by itself without the root source.

Adam ate and died spiritually, much later, physically, then maybe the second death. Or because of the skins, and God's care, paradise.

People repent and Jesus' blood cleanses and saves them.

 

[fhansen]

The orignal sin was pride and ignorance combined-the ultimate foolishness of creation breaking away from its Creator, thinking it was wiser in going its own way. All following sin resulted from man going his own way, now often heeding immediate selfish desires while no longer willing to hear and heed God. The "knowledge of God" was gone for man, in fact. We're here to come to know Him again, having experienced good and evil in this brave new world and coming to learn of the foolishness-and evil- of Adam and Eve's choice to go their own way, to be apart from Him and His perfect will for man.

Sin is not a substance; it's actually the privation or taking away in some manner of the good that is inherent in all of God's creation, in all existence, as darkness has no reality of its own but is the privation of light. Apart from God we have no light, no hope, no eternal goodness and love, no life-and no full and permanent moral integrity: sin is inevitable.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Pride is one of the traits of the lead fallen angel. But he would have gained an immense amount of knowledge of the Holy Trinity. All light and bread of life... He knew love, until iniquity was found in him. With Adam there was little knowledge.

The orignal sin was pride and ignorance combined-the ultimate foolishness of creation breaking away from its Creator, thinking it was wiser in going its own way. All following sin resulted from man going his own way, now often heeding immediate selfish desires while no longer willing to hear and heed God. The "knowledge of God" was gone for man, in fact. We're here to come to know Him again, having experienced good and evil in this brave new world and coming to learn of the foolishness-and evil- of Adam and Eve's choice to go their own way, to be apart from Him.

Sin is not a substance; it's actually the privation or taking away in some manner of the good that is inherent in all of God's creation, in all existence, as darkness has no reality of its own but is the privation of light. Apart from God we have no light, no hope, no eternal goodness and love, no life-and no full and permanent moral integrity: sin is inevitable.

 

[fhansen]

Pride is one of the traits of the lead fallen angel. But he would have gained an immense amount of knowledge of the Holy Trinity. All light and bread of life... He knew love, until iniquity was found in him. With Adam there was little knowledge.

Yes, pride is directly opposed to love, in fact. And if Adam had possessed that love in Eden, he would never have disobeyed. But God's purpose with man is different, with a higher calling than the angels in a way, because He wants us to come to appreciate and value and embrace that love for ourselves, the hard way, with struggle in a godless world where man's will reigns and love is way undervalued and so often trampled upon in pursuit of selfish and pride-driven desires instead. God's been working in man for all these centuries to draw us to and cultivate within us just that holy desire, for a love that transcends all other values, that heals all wounds, and that makes eternity worth the living. And He shows us that love in no uncertain terms in the life, sacrificial death, and resurrection to life of His Son, God the Son.

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

I am thinking about sin, it's roots and spread, the consequences of losing the receiving of God's living water, light... the nature of sin behaviour and how God cannot accept it after seeking a way. The initial first sins, pride, vanity, deception, avarice, then adultery, ambition, slavery, theft, murder...

Sin seems to be like a substance and not just a concept, to create a drive for disorder. It lives in our bodies. Satan's motives, words, some tree of knowledge of good and evil and taking, stealing, eating, now it lives in us. All sin was transferred into Jesus hanging on a tree. It was a pressure.

Satan repels living water and light... fire is opposed to him as if he is pure dross in the crucible.

Satan will not repent, but if he did, it could lead all the lost in sin, back through him. I think sin carries on like seed by itself without the root source.

Adam ate and died spiritually, much later, physically, then maybe the second death. Or because of the skins, and God's care, paradise.

People repent and Jesus' blood cleanses and saves them.

Sins were never counted against people to start with, 2 Cor. 5:19

Sins remain counted against the devil and his messengers, 1 John 3:8

What did God say to the serpent?

Because thou hast done this...

 

[David Lamb]

Sins were never counted against people to start with, 2 Cor. 5:19

Sins remain counted against the devil and his messengers, 1 John 3:8

What did God say to the serpent?

Because thou hast done this...

Yet Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden by God. The ground would bring forth thorns and thistles. There were other judgments as well. God said to Eve:

“What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”” (Ge 3:13 NKJV)

Then later we read:

“16 ¶ To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.””

“17 ¶ Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”” (Ge 3:16-19 NKJV)

 

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Yet Adam and Eve were cast out of the Garden of Eden by God. The ground would bring forth thorns and thistles. There were other judgments as well. God said to Eve:

“What is this you have done?” The woman said, “The serpent deceived me, and I ate.”” (Ge 3:13 NKJV)

Then later we read:

“16 ¶ To the woman He said: “I will greatly multiply your sorrow and your conception; In pain you shall bring forth children; Your desire shall be for your husband, And he shall rule over you.””

“17 ¶ Then to Adam He said, “Because you have heeded the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree of which I commanded you, saying, ‘You shall not eat of it’: “Cursed is the ground for your sake; In toil you shall eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall bring forth for you, And you shall eat the herb of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you shall eat bread Till you return to the ground, For out of it you were taken; For dust you are, And to dust you shall return.”” (Ge 3:16-19 NKJV)

As soon as you see the obvious, but unseen, that the tempter inhabited their dust bodies, it's no longer a question of just Adam or just Eve

But the tempter within them both

Now who are you going to blame?

Adam was God's son, Luke 3:38

Did God then bear a lawless son? What does that say of The Father?

Jesus showed us many times in many ways that the unseen adversaries inhabit people.

Our own minds can perceive this intrusion because it's real, internal, unseen AND unwanted

Yet it happens, regardless of what we will

 

[David Lamb]

As soon as you see the obvious, but unseen, that the tempter inhabited their dust bodies, it's no longer a question of just Adam or just Eve

But the tempter within them both

Agreed.

Now who are you going to blame?

Adam was God's son, Luke 3:38

Did God then bear a lawless son? What does that say of The Father?

No, Genesis says that God saw everything He'd made and it was very good. Things only went wrong when Eve, then Adam listened to and obeyed the temptation of the serpent instead of obeying God.

Jesus showed us many times in many ways that the unseen adversaries inhabit people.

Our own minds can perceive this intrusion because it's real, internal, unseen AND unwanted

Yet it happens, regardless of what we will

Ultimately, all sin begins with the devil, but that is not an excuse for sinners to say "Not my fault. The devil gave me the idea." That is just what Adam and Eve did. In fact Adam came very close to blaming God:

“Then the man said, “The woman whom You gave to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I ate.”” (Ge 3:12 NKJV)

Eve blamed the serpent. Yet God punished all three. He saw all three as guilty.