BUSTED - 12 False theories refuted:

[BelieveItOarKnot]

Keras when you write of all Gods people migrating to Israel . Firstly you must prove your Jewishness or conversion to be accepted as a citizen of Israel . The Church claims billions of believers and considering that Judaism rejects Christ they might very much have a problem with such a mass number of Christians entering their boarders little lone as future citizens. Can you explain some more on that and how that would work. Kathleen

The logistics issue has been pointed out to him prior. Being packed into a little city in a little country, elbow to elbow, with billions of other people doesn't sound like much interest to me. Sounds more like Mecca/Black Rock

Hebrews 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Would you suppose that there is a physical Jerusalem AND an entirely different Jerusalem, a HEAVENLY Jerusalem?

I'd suggest that IS the case.

So, speaking entirely logically here, IF the kingdom of God is "within us" where might that heavenly Jerusalem BE I wonder? Hmmmm?

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Now we can picture ourselves physically, with billions of other believers packed into a physical city.

or

We can realize that an entire City is packed into US. Kinda wild, ain't it?

I am where Christ is, on the inside.

Romans 8:9-10
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

All this outside physical nonsense is just flesh noise.

No one will SEE it coming.

Luke 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The very last place I'd look for the "Kingdom of God" is to some physical place on earth called SODOM and EGYPT in the spirit filled with unbelievers who are blinded by God Himself.

NOW, if they happen to collectively SEE, boy howdy. Because that will mean thee end of this wicked age.

Romans 11:
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

 

[David Lamb]

The Church claims billions of believers and considering that Judaism rejects Christ they might very much have a problem with such a mass number of Christians entering their boarders little lone as future citizens.

I was trying to work out what "little lone as future citizens." It was only when I read it out loud, that i realised you probably meant to type: "let alone as future citizens." I should add that I am certainly not criticising - I often look at my posts from the past, and see much worse typos.

 

[Kathleen30]

The logistics issue has been pointed out to him prior. Being packed into a little city in a little country, elbow to elbow, with billions of other people doesn't sound like much interest to me. Sounds more like Mecca/Black Rock

Hebrews 12:22
But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

Would you suppose that there is a physical Jerusalem AND an entirely different Jerusalem, a HEAVENLY Jerusalem?

I'd suggest that IS the case.

So, speaking entirely logically here, IF the kingdom of God is "within us" where might that heavenly Jerusalem BE I wonder? Hmmmm?

Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Now we can picture ourselves physically, with billions of other believers packed into a physical city.

or

We can realize that an entire City is packed into US. Kinda wild, ain't it?

I am where Christ is, on the inside.

Romans 8:9-10
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

All this outside physical nonsense is just flesh noise.

No one will SEE it coming.

Luke 17:20
And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

The very last place I'd look for the "Kingdom of God" is to some physical place on earth called SODOM and EGYPT in the spirit filled with unbelievers who are blinded by God Himself.

NOW, if they happen to collectively SEE, boy howdy. Because that will mean thee end of this wicked age.

Romans 11:
15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?

Believeitoarknot I not realise it had been discussed earlier. But your interpretation does seem to be a whole lot more viable instead of plonking the safety of the entire Christian church in such a most unfriendly Christian place as Israel . Thank you for your guidance on that

 

[Kathleen30]

I was trying to work out what "little lone as future citizens." It was only when I read it out loud, that i realised you probably meant to type: "let alone as future citizens." I should add that I am certainly not criticising - I often look at my posts from the past, and see much worse typos.

David yes you right let alone be the correct saying and not little lone . The Aussies have a wonderful reputation in reshaping the English language: ) . Thank you

 

[keras]

Keras when you write of all Gods people migrating to Israel . Firstly you must prove your Jewishness or conversion to be accepted as a citizen of Israel . The Church claims billions of believers and considering that Judaism rejects Christ they might very much have a problem with such a mass number of Christians entering their boarders little lone as future citizens. Can you explain some more on that and how that would work. Kathleen

But the world will be vastly changed before all the faithful Christian peoples go to live in all of the Holy Land. [the area between the Nile and the Euphrates]
The Jewish State of Israel will be gone,, plus all the evil neighbours; Jeremiah 12:14

When we see him in heaven,

This is your fundamental error. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we humans will ever go to heaven, to live in heaven. Elijah didn't go to live in heaven, he wrote a letter after he was relocated. The 2 Witnesses will not be resurrected to live in heaven, but will go to Jerusalem, with all the other GT martyrs, as Jesus' Priests and co-rulers. The faithful believers destiny is to be on earth for the Millennium, then with God on the new earth.

Some things are not for us to know. Yet there are far too many Christians who seem to think they have a right to know and focus on the details of his return rather than preaching the Gospel and serving him.

I often get this. - stop promoting the Prophesies and evangelise!!!! They have no idea of what I have done and now at age 84, am commissioned to do.
I know the Bible very well and I see how we can understand Gods plans for our future. It requires mainly for us to clear our minds of mans teachings. But for most people, the end times will be a great surprise and that is how God wants it to be.

 

[Kathleen30]

But the world will be vastly changed before all the faithful Christian peoples go to live in all of the Holy Land. [the area between the Nile and the Euphrates]
The Jewish State of Israel will be gone,, plus all the evil neighbours; Jeremiah 12:14


This is your fundamental error. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we humans will ever go to heaven, to live in heaven. Elijah didn't go to live in heaven, he wrote a letter after he was relocated. The 2 Witnesses will not be resurrected to live in heaven, but will go to Jerusalem, with all the other GT martyrs, as Jesus' Priests and co-rulers. The faithful believers destiny is to be on earth for the Millennium, then with God on the new earth.

I often get this. - stop promoting the Prophesies and evangelise!!!! They have no idea of what I have done and now at age 84, am commissioned to do.
I know the Bible very well and I see how we can understand Gods plans for our future. It requires mainly for us to clear our minds of mans teachings. But for most people, the end times will be a great surprise and that is how God wants it to be.

Keras with Jeremiah 12:14 it looks very much like an already fulfilled prophecy. And where does it say in the end times in Jeremiah 12:14 that the entirety of the church will gather there as a place of safe refuge it doesn’t. As to where we dwell in the afterlife the Jews hope was always in a future resurrection and as you say not so much of spending eternity in heaven . Simply because we were made for the earth and not so much heaven. And again we will dwell upon a future new heavens and a new earth with a perfect physical body. I don’t have to much disagreement with you on that

 

[Strong in Him]

But the world will be vastly changed before all the faithful Christian peoples go to live in all of the Holy Land.

That's your interpretation.
Jesus did not say, "all believers will gather in the Holy Land and when they've done that, I will return." If the Lord wanted me to move to Israel at some point in the future, I would. I think it unlikely at my age, but I'm open to his leading. I doubt, though, that he would ask me to go through the hassle of relocation when he knew that he was about to return anyway.

This is your fundamental error. Nowhere in the Bible does it say we humans will ever go to heaven,

I meant, when we meet with the Lord - which will be after we die.

I often get this. - stop promoting the Prophesies and evangelise!!!!

I suspect they say that because there are far better things that you could be doing with your time than trying to reconstruct OT prophesies and know the unknowable.
Internet evangelism, for example - preach the cross and not end times.

They have no idea of what I have done and now at age 84, am commissioned to do.

Neither have I. But I'm not the only one who believes your posts, and application of Scripture, to be wrong.
If God's telling you to write something and he's telling me that this "something" doesn't ring true and is Scripturally incorrect, what to do?
Let me guess; I have got it wrong and am wrong for not listening to you.

I know the Bible very well

It's not a matter of knowing but of applying.
You still haven't explained how you know that Zechariah's flying scroll with writing on both sides, refers to a to nuclear bomb.

 

[keras]

Keras with Jeremiah 12:14 it looks very much like an already fulfilled prophecy. And where does it say in the end times in Jeremiah 12:14 that the entirety of the church will gather there as a place of safe refuge it doesn’t.

In context; Jeremiah 12:7-17, it is obvious that such things have never yet happened. Jer 12:16 parallels with Zechariah 12:13-14, where those Jewish families who; learn the Way of My people, that is; the Christian Way, will be able to re-establish themselves in the Holy Land.

Proof of the Holy peoples of God being present in the Holy Land during the end times is; Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

we will dwell upon a future new heavens and a new earth with a perfect physical body

Those worthy will dwell with God on the new earth, in Spiritual bodies.

 

[keras]

If the Lord wanted me to move to Israel at some point in the future, I would. I think it unlikely at my age, but I'm open to his leading. I doubt, though, that he would ask me to go through the hassle of relocation when he knew that he was about to return anyway.

Being the Lords Witnesses and His Light to the nations and displaying His glory as we live in all of the Holy Land. Revelation 7:9
My people; gathered from many nations...Ezekiel 38:8 I shall demonstrate My power and make Myself known...I am the Lord. Ezekiel 38:23

We are His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16, also Ezekiel 39:27
THAT is our task, our destiny and our great privilege.

If the Lord wanted me to move to Israel at some point in the future, I would. I think it unlikely at my age, but I'm open to his leading.

I know I will be going to live in the Holy Land for the end times. There is plenty of Prophecy about this, Psalms 107, is just one.

I meant, when we meet with the Lord - which will be after we die.

When we die, we know nothing, Eccl 9:5-6 Our next conscious moment, will be as we stand before God in Judgment. Rev 20:11-15

I suspect they say that because there are far better things that you could be doing with your time than trying to reconstruct OT prophesies and know the unknowable.
Internet evangelism, for example - preach the cross and not end times.

OK, so because you disagree with what I post, I should say to the Lord: I reject Your commission to promote the Prophetic Word.
Millions of pastors preach the Cross. Very few preach the truths of Prophecy. I do and no amount of moaning and whinging from those whose beliefs I have rattled, will stop me.

I have got it wrong and am wrong for not listening to you.

Top marks!

You still haven't explained how you know that Zechariah's flying scroll with writing on both sides, refers to a to nuclear bomb.

The barrel in Zech 5, as my REBible more correctly translates it, does have 2 sides - a front and a back. A rolled up scroll is the same.
That it does contain radioactive material, is shown by the lead covering.
The Lord showed Zechariah something that has only been in existence for 40 or so years and is now in the hands of the crazy Mullahs of Iran.
To dismiss the significance of all this is just a 'head in the sand' reaction.

 

[Strong in Him]

Being the Lords Witnesses and His Light to the nations and displaying His glory as we live in all of the Holy Land. Revelation 7:9
My people; gathered from many nations...Ezekiel 38:8 I shall demonstrate My power and make Myself known...I am the Lord. Ezekiel 38:23

That doesn't tell me that it's right for me to move from the UK to Israel.

We are His witnesses, Isaiah 43:8-13, John 15:27 and His Light to the nations, Isaiah 49:8, Matthew 5:14-16, also Ezekiel 39:27
THAT is our task, our destiny and our great privilege.

Yes, we are his witnesses, Acts 1:8 and are to preach the Gospel and make disciples, Matthew 28:19-20.
That doesn't mean we have to move to Israel.

I know I will be going to live in the Holy Land for the end times.

You may not even be alive.

When we die, we know nothing, Eccl 9:5-6

When we die we will be with the Lord. The thief on the cross was told "Today you will be with me in paradise."

OK, so because you disagree with what I post, I should say to the Lord: I reject Your commission to promote the Prophetic Word.

I'm saying that if you put all the time and energy into preaching the Gospel on the internet as you do in repeating and, imo misapplying, OT prophecies, you could make a big difference.

Millions of pastors preach the Cross.

Not on the internet they don't.

Very few preach the truths of Prophecy.

They don't preach your interpretation, no.

and no amount of moaning and whinging from those whose beliefs I have rattled, will stop me.

Oh trust me, you haven't dented my beliefs at all.

Top marks!

In that case you don't need to say any more - that is a huge red flag, right there.
That's what cultists say to potential converts:
"we're right; they're wrong"
"they're not in our group, they're going to hell."
"it doesn't matter if you lie to them, they belong to the devil."
"you have to listen to our founder, he is the only one who has been trusted with the truth."
"you mustn't have contact with your friends and family. They don't know the truth, as we do; they will try to tell you we are wrong".

That is why JWs are not content that you're a Christian, reading the Bible and going to church; they still try to convert you to their group and their writings. Years ago I had 2 visitors in one day. One was a Baptist who, when he heard that I went to church, said "great", asked me which one and asked if he could pray for me (I was ill.) The other visitors were JWs who heard I went to church and either said "that's good" or ignored me, and continued to preach their beliefs.

The barrel in Zech 5, as my REBible more correctly translates it, does have 2 sides - a front and a back. A rolled up scroll is the same.

And the writing on both sides, saying that thieves and those who swear falsely will be banished?
What about the woman in the basket, which is also in Zechariah 5? Or haven't you found anything that might fit that yet?

 

[keras]

That doesn't tell me that it's right for me to move from the UK to Israel.

The Lord will let you know. John 11:51-52, Ezekiel 34:11-16, +
He will let me know too and I have to get there from New Zealand - the antipodes of Israel. The camels and mule's of Isaiah 66:20, won't do it!

When we die we will be with the Lord. The thief on the cross was told "Today you will be with me in paradise

This belief causes a direct Bible contradiction.
Jesus was referring to that thiefs next conscious moment; at the GWT; Rev 20:11-15, when he will receive immortality.

Not on the internet they don't.

I don't preach the Cross as it is not my calling, but I hope my pointing out of shocking future events may make some look to Jesus as the Hope for protection thru all that must happen.

"we're right; they're wrong"

Who is right, is the Bible Prophets.
Who is wrong, is those who mis-interpret and add to scripture.

And the writing on both sides, saying that thieves and those who swear falsely will be banished?
What about the woman in the basket, which is also in Zechariah 5? Or haven't you found anything that might fit that yet?

The writing on the sides of that missile, apply to Iran, Jeremiah 49:36-37 proves it.
The 'woman' is an allegory for wickedness, as Zephaniah 5:8 says exactly. Or haven't you even read that yet?

 

[Strong in Him]

Who is right, is the Bible Prophets.

Who are dead, and in any case did not prophesy about life in the 21st century.

Who is wrong, is those who mis-interpret and add to scripture.

What I'm saying is that your attitude of "I'm right, you're wrong - and you're wrong because you don't listen to me", is a big red flag.

You've already been wrong once - about 2012. And that probably won't be the only thing.

 

[Kathleen30]

In context; Jeremiah 12:7-17, it is obvious that such things have never yet happened. Jer 12:16 parallels with Zechariah 12:13-14, where those Jewish families who; learn the Way of My people, that is; the Christian Way, will be able to re-establish themselves in the Holy Land.

Proof of the Holy peoples of God being present in the Holy Land during the end times is; Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13:7

Those worthy will dwell with God on the new earth, in Spiritual bodies.

Keras I do say in the context of Jeremiah. That Jeremiah was born around 627 BC with his passing in 580 BC. The northern kingdom had already been destroyed by the Assyrian empire in 722 BC and that is telling because Judah is clearly mentioned in Jeremiah 12:14. It was a warning and a prophecy that not only included Judah but also the surrounding nations who practiced idolatry and more so to Judah who only gave ceremonial lip service but their hearts practiced the opposite and were far from the God . There was also the possibility of blessing to Jew and gentile alike if only they would heed unto the God . Neither never did. Judah Jerusalem and the temple were prophetically destroyed in 587 BC. The Babylon empire and surrounding nations came under the same judgment eventually too. So it has nothing with the entirety of the Church moving into the Israel for self preservation and protection as a safe haven for the Church. Not so sure About Daniel 7:25. It certainly isn’t just talking about Israel but future kingdoms and the entire world. As to Revelations 13:7 all it says is that he given authority to subdue every nation and every tongue. That’s all it says . And says nothing about us all packing our bags and moving to Israel : )

As to those worthy ? If you mean all those brought at great price by the blood of Jesus Christ . I do say all good. But if you.not mean that then I would question to what worthiness you do acclaim too . Keras as to our future resurrection bodies only being only merely spiritual bodies upon the new earth. If this be so then there would be no need of a future resurrection body if it be only spiritual bodies that you claim. I think our bodies shall be similar to Adam & Eves. Perhaps not pulsating with flesh & blood and maybe no procreation included with sex to increase humanities population as in our present world. But who knows . But it will certainly be a physical body. As beautiful as Adams and Eves before the fall no doubt . Perhaps we will all walk wonderfully naked and upright as they once did too . It be the naturist way.