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Chicago principal claims teacher who made sick Charlie Kirk gesture is the victim

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But maybe you're right. Mimicking people being shot, even if she wouldn't want that to happen, is in bad taste.

French outrage after US President Trump mimics Paris attackers. He mimicked gunmen summoning and shooting victims one by one, saying "Boom! Come over here!" and using his hand to imitate a gun being fired.

I watched the video, he wasn't mimicking the attackers to glorify the attackers or say that the situation was a good thing...

(unlike the lady in the video, who was gleefully mimicking Charlie Kirk getting shot and was definitely happy that it happened)
 
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I watched the video, he wasn't mimicking the attackers to glorify the attackers or say that the situation was a good thing...

(unlike the lady in the video, who was gleefully mimicking Charlie Kirk getting shot and was definitely happy that it happened)
Then I'm sure you've still managed to maintain your outrage.
 
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Accountability. I have socio-political beliefs similar to Kirk's. I would not feel safe working around co-workers who think it's okay to murder me in front of my family.
Did anyone make such a statement (other than Kirk)?
 
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So she thinks it's funny/cool for "others" to get killed for expressing a political viewpoint, but not her personally?

She's exhibited a double standard there, yes?
Not at all. Kirk was the one who said it was ok for others to be killed in the name of 2A, not her.
 
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Maybe every job application and interview in America should include the question "Do you believe in murdering nice, harmless people because you disagree with them?" If the answer is "yes", then "You're inherently dangerous. We don't want you here."
I guess Kirk would have been fired by his organization for making such statements.
 
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People should lose their job if they like the idea of killing innocent unarmed peope for holding views they find objectionable. It's a bridge.
Lots of Republicans want to kill anyone who disagrees with them. We saw that on Jan6 and in Minnesota and the Trump shooter.
 
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French outrage after US President Trump mimics Paris attackers. He mimicked gunmen summoning and shooting victims one by one, saying "Boom! Come over here!" and using his hand to imitate a gun being fired.


"US President Donald Trump has outraged French opinion by suggesting the 2015 attacks on Paris could have been stopped by giving people guns. "

Apparently the thought of a populace that can engage in self defense and isn't just sitting ducks for crazed murderers is objectionable to the French but we don't find the idea of self defense that objectionable; as a general rule self defense can save lives by removing the safety feature found in trying to murder people with no ability to defend themselves, thereby, be less attractive targets.

The pantomime or whatever might have been low class for the environment but in the context of defense against suicide bombers and the like it is generally not an inappropriate topic. He wasn't glorifying assassination or threatening people rather he was demonstrating positives found in allowing people to defend themselves against attack. He's probably not the best spokesperson for armed self defense in France, but it's not a criminal thing here.

In the meantime your president is literally blowing people up on the high seas without even a hint of evidence.

I am paying more attention to our middle east foreign policy - and always will.

However, I don't know that much about what's happening with the boats. I haven't tried to research it yet or find out what our various motivations and goals here are etc.

All I know is that it has to do with the drug cartel war that has heated up recently.

I don't know that much about cartels, I don't know the who's who and have no connections inside countries like Venezuela or Columbia.

I have no possible way of verifying anything. All I can do is trust what others are saying when it comes to why we are doing this and trust if this is the wrong thing to do there will be no end of people who will mention it.

Without more information I barely understand what is going on. You don't need my opinion here, it benefits no one and furthers no truth. I do know this is an escalation in how we are treating these boats historically, and as such I do pray it's a warranted endeavor, not that I am inclined to doubt that part because of the cartel war currently.

I do pray that this is limited and quickly finds a resolution. I don't want a new war, I want to stop them but the cartels are angry with us currently so it might not be able to be helped.

And that's where I'm at. I do think caution is warranted, but I don't know the cartels.
 
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Then I'm sure you've still managed to maintain your outrage.

I don't think "outrage" is the accurate descriptor (as it conveys shallowness in an attempt to downplay the reason why people are upset about it)

"Understandable anger" would be a better descriptor.

Teachers like this one are the ones that are likely making obnoxious ideological clones of themselves that make everyone else miserable once they're older.

Let's be frank, if a person at a right wing rally was miming the incident where Democratic lawmaker Melissa Hortman was the victim of a home invasion and shooting, and found out that the person was responsible for teaching 9 year olds, you'd think it was a much bigger deal.
 
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I wonder how many people defending her cheered for the fact that the woman at the baseball game lost her job for saying "call ice" or whatever it was she said. Should the woman be getting death threats? No, but she certainly shouldn't be allowed to teach children.
 
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Not at all. Kirk was the one who said it was ok for others to be killed in the name of 2A, not her.
And he lived and died by that sword... He (despite knowing the risks) sat there at a table for debates and got shot.

It's the left that says "nobody should have guns"

So this teacher (who's most certainly on the left) laughing and miming to celebrate him getting shot in the neck is the hypocrite in this scenario.

Ideological consistency would mean that this teacher should be mourning the fact that this unstable kid got his hands on a gun and used it to murder someone.
 
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The pantomime or whatever might have been low class for the environment...
Exactly right. In both cases.
However, I don't know that much about what's happening with the boats.
Luckily I can help you out with that. A number of boats, each with a few people on board, travelling in International waters have been blown up by your administration. They were nowhere near the USA coastline.

The administration has said that they were carrying drugs intended to be illegally imported into the US. No evidence for this has been presented whatsoever.

Let's say that the administration knew of a truck carrying fentanyl which was crossing the Canadian border into the US and they simply blew it up. Even if it was proved to have contained drugs would you think that was an acceptable action?
 
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I don't think "outrage" is the accurate descriptor (as it conveys shallowness in an attempt to downplay the reason why people are upset about it)

"Understandable anger" would be a better descriptor.
My apologies. 'Then I'm sure you've still managed to maintain your level of understandable anger'.
 
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Maybe every job application and interview in America should include the question "Do you believe in murdering nice, harmless people because you disagree with them?"
My answer would be: 'I'm sorry, I'm withdrawing my application. I make it a point not to work with stupid people'.
 
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My apologies. 'Then I'm sure you've still managed to maintain your level of understandable anger'.

Correct I still have my same level of justifiable angle, this woman appears to be an unhinged partisan nutjob, and I don't like the idea of her instilling her values our nation's future adults that makes them think it "funny/cool" if I get shot in the neck because I don't agree with them on everything.
 
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Did anyone make such a statement (other than Kirk)?
I never heard Kirk say that. I said it. I'm pretty sure everyone would agree with me, though.
I guess Kirk would have been fired by his organization for making such statements.
What statements?
 
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My answer would be: 'I'm sorry, I'm withdrawing my application. I make it a point not to work with stupid people'.
I thought you appreciated rhetoric.
 
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My answer would be: 'I'm sorry, I'm withdrawing my application. I make it a point not to work with stupid people'.

Wow... I guess that says something about the weak screening process the Chicago Public School system has, that they would've hired someone that believes the things that you've presented as "such a wild/stupid premise, that if you even have to ask it, I don't want to work here"
 
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So this teacher...
You've seen a couple of seconds of a woman (or it might be just a picture) and so far we have...

She was celebrating a murder, she's unhinged, she's a left wing partisan nut job, a hypochrite, obnoxious, a possible participant at a proud boys rally, she's not above doxing, she probably spouts commie nonsense and champions every far left cause.

You've even spent time trying to track her down on social media. Good grief, man....

End of conversation. This is bizarre. I'm not going to feed this nonsense anymore.
 
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Do you mean satire? In which case, yes...I missed it. Hard to tell sometimes.
It was rhetorical. I wasn't literally suggesting anyone should ask that question. I wasn't satirizing anything.
 
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