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MAGA does NOT view Russia or President Putin favorably.
Yes it does. Well, maybe only after Trump has been on the phone to Putin for a few hours and is doing his ‘wants peace, round two in two weeks’ bit.
 
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Yes it does. Well, maybe only after Trump has been on the phone to Putin for a few hours and is doing his ‘wants peace, round two in two weeks’ bit.
Wanting peace between Ukraine and Russia to stop the killings and casualties of hundreds of thousands of people does not mean at all that President Trump and MAGA views the evil tyrant Putin favorably. We want peace and the killing to stop.
 
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Wanting peace between Ukraine and Russia to stop the killings and casualties of hundreds of thousands of people does not mean at all that President Trump and MAGA views the evil tyrant Putin favorably. We want peace and the killing to stop.
It looks like you're saying the killing will stop when Ukraine gives Russia what it wants. What could possibly go wrong? Trump's buddy Putin will be emboldened. Russia will know that it can pick a country to invade and the US President will recommend that country comply with Russia in the name of peace.
 
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does not mean at all that President Trump and MAGA views the evil tyrant Putin favorably.
The only way for peace is for Putin to defeated. Conceding land to Russia only buys peace for few years.
 
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The only way for peace is for Putin to defeated. Conceding land to Russia only buys peace for few years.
Your solution will require the killings to continue on and on and on.
 
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It looks like you're saying the killing will stop when Ukraine gives Russia what it wants. What could possibly go wrong? Trump's buddy Putin will be emboldened. Russia will know that it can pick a country to invade and the US President will recommend that country comply with Russia in the name of peace.
Are you okay with a seemingly endless war with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian casualties?
Also, it is a very false accusation to say that Trump and Putin are buddies. It is an equally false accusation about what you are predicting will happen in the future.
 
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Are you okay with a seemingly endless war with hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian and Russian casualties?
No, but I'm also not okay with Russia invading sovereign countries like Ukraine.

Also, it is a very false accusation to say that Trump and Putin are buddies.
Hardly. It's well known that they like each other.



It is an equally false accusation about what you are predicting will happen in the future.
It's what's likely to happen if Ukraine capitulates. Now that Finland is in NATO, Finland is less likely to be invaded again, but Ukraine represents former Soviet states. Putin wants to reacquire them for mother Russia.

 
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Your solution will require the killings to continue on and on and on.
No only until Russia stops attacking. Peace is impossible with Russia as history has shown. It will renege on any and all compacts, agreements and accords and continue to strive to gobble up nations it considers its own.

Russian land is wherever a Russian soldier sets foot.
 
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No only until Russia stops attacking. Peace is impossible with Russia as history has shown. It will renege on any and all compacts, agreements and accords and continue to strive to gobble up nations it considers its own.

Russian land is wherever a Russian soldier sets foot.
Russia cannot even completely defeat Ukraine in a conventional war. How is Russia going to gobble up more nations?
 
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Just the opposite. He is constitutionally not allowed to call an election when his country is at war.

I assume that you didn't know that.
Do you know what the Ukrainian Constitution says about war time elections?
Thank you . . . so, do you think Ukraine is a democracy? . . . I mean a **functional** democracy, versus certain ones with money and power controlling who the candidates are . . . like could be happening in the United States which claims to be democratic but does not seem to manage to provide qualified candidates and qualified voters.

I did not intend to make any statement about the Ukraine's constitution. It seemed possible to me, that Charlie meant that, because there has been so much corruption in Ukraine, the country has not been a democracy . . . functionally.

It's like how ones can claim to be Christians but they do not live that way.
 
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Thank you . . . so, do you think Ukraine is a democracy?
Yes. And I'm certain that Kirk knew that as well. The very first time be argued that point he would have been corrected. That he continued to say it...I can only conclude that he was intentionally lying.
 
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A lot of it comes down to a sense of tribalism, where even if there are things we disagree with about him and how he conducted himself he's part of our tribe and you don't criticize your tribe in a war. Most Christians fall prey to a win-or-lose mentality in whether or not Christianity is growing or shrinking, whether church attendance is ballooning or shrinking. The attitude is if someone can score a win for our team, who are we to criticize them? Revival at any cost, even if it means losing sight of Christ the crucified Lord and replacing Him with 'Murica Jesus the conquistador. Charlie Kirk will stand or fall depending on who his true master was, but it's perilous times for Christians right now. And the danger isn't from the godless left.
 
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Yeah, Trump keeps getting disappointed by Putin. Has a long phone call with him and then (due to his habit of aligning with the last person he speaks to) is gobsmacked when Putin kills another bunch of kids or older folks.

Trump’s surprised Pikachu face is an delight to behold; every time. Trump is SO desperate for Putin to favour him it’s embarrassing.
 
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