Another look at the moon landing.

[Strong in Him]

As I said each testimony is believable be it Buzz’s or Charles Duke and it be you that keeps harping on the Mr Duke as if his testimony be final authority I don’t believe neither of their testimonies be true

I "keep harping on" about Charles Duke because he gives public talks about his walk on the moon.
He has said that the walk on the moon was not the greatest part of his life - meeting Jesus was.
He has said that his walk on the moon lasted for 3 days; his walk with Jesus will last for the rest of his life.
In the same talk where he speaks, and shows pictures, of the moon and moon landing, he talks about Jesus Christ as his Saviour and Lord.

It is not feasible to say, "he is being absolutely truthful about Jesus, but the bit about walking on the moon, is a lie.
Either he is telling the truth about the moon, in which case, what he says about Jesus is also true - or he is lying about both.

 

[Kathleen30]

You're focusing on Buzz Aldrin and completely ignoring what I said about Charles Duke and other Christians

I "keep harping on" about Charles Duke because he gives public talks about his walk on the moon.
He has said that the walk on the moon was not the greatest part of his life - meeting Jesus was.
He has said that his walk on the moon lasted for 3 days; his walk with Jesus will last for the rest of his life.
In the same talk where he speaks, and shows pictures, of the moon and moon landing, he talks about Jesus Christ as his Saviour and Lord.

It is not feasible to say, "he is being absolutely truthful about Jesus, but the bit about walking on the moon, is a lie.
Either he is telling the truth about the moon, in which case, what he says about Jesus is also true - or he is lying about both.

Strong in him you have this notion in your head that Christians do not lie. You ask is it not feasible that he’s telling the truth about the moon and what he says about Jesus is true too Stong in him Kenneth Copeland sprouts the same truth about Jesus all the time even if he is a conman like many other televangelists. You have to think outside the box . Just because person claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are so, just because a person is a Christian doesn't mean they can’t lie. Does it not seem feasible that astronauts can lie too ???

 

[Herman Hedning]

For anyone interested, here's the official NASA report on what happened to the Apollo 11 telemetry data and why it isn't available anymore (spoiler: the tapes were recycled in the 1970s). https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/alsj/a11/Apollo_11_TV_Tapes_Report.pdf

And here's the Australian Honeysuckle Creek site that is referenced a lot in the document above. A Tribute to Honeysuckle Creek Tracking Station

And a direct link to the Apollo 11 TV pages: Apollo 11 TV

Enjoy.

 

[Apple Sky]

Kathleen said:
Strong in him you have this notion in your head that Christians do not lie. You ask is it not feasible that he’s telling the truth about the moon and what he says about Jesus is true too Stong in him Kenneth Copeland sprouts the same truth about Jesus all the time even if he is a conman like many other televangelists. You have to think outside the box . Just because person claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are so, just because a person is a Christian doesn't mean they can’t lie. Does it not seem feasible that astronauts can lie too ???

@Kathleen30 & @Strong in Him

Kathleen - For some reason it won't let me reply to to your last post.

You are right in what you say about Kenneth Copeland & just because a person is a Christian doesn't mean they can't lie.
Your post - Very well said.

 

[Apple Sky]

For anyone interested, here's the official NASA report on what happened to the Apollo 11 telemetry data and why it isn't available anymore (spoiler: the tapes were recycled in the 1970s). https://www.nasa.gov/wp-content/uploads/static/history/alsj/a11/Apollo_11_TV_Tapes_Report.pdf

This article said;
'In the triumph of the day, no one at the tracking stations considered these differences and certainly the public was unaware. The engineers boxed the one-inch telemetry tapes wound onto 14-inch canister reels-which served no other purpose than to provide backup if the live relay failed-and shipped them to the Goddard Space Flight Center. From there, the tapes were sent to the Washington National Records Center (WRNC) in Suitland, Md. The engineers never saw the back-up telemetry tapes again.'

I wander why ? Like I've always said, they are all in cahoots together.

 

[Strong in Him]

Strong in him you have this notion in your head that Christians do not lie.

Charles became a Christian, after he went to and walked on, the moon.

You ask is it not feasible that he’s telling the truth about the moon and what he says about Jesus is true too

Yes. Your answer is .........?

Stong in him Kenneth Copeland sprouts the same truth about Jesus all the time even if he is a conman like many other televangelists.

Kenneth Copeland believes in Jesus and teaches Jesus.
He is not correct when he teaches the prosperity Gospel, but that does not mean he lies about Jesus being his Saviour.

If Charles Duke is lying when he says "I walked on the moon", then he is also lying when he says that writes about Jesus, his Saviour and says that meeting Jesus was the best part of his life.

You have to think outside the box .

Why?
Charles either lied about walking in the moon and is lying about Jesus - in which case you'd expect God to punish him.
Or he is telling the truth about both.

Just because person claims to be a Christian doesn't mean they are so, just because a person is a Christian doesn't mean they can’t lie.

Have you heard Charles' testimony - of how he was going through a difficult time with trouble in his marriage, and then he met Jesus? They had been a "religious" family for a while, but they didn't know Jesus. In 1975 his wife was on the verge of suicide.
Watch it, if you dare.

If you can't bear to watch the factual stuff about the moon, start it at 31 minutes in.

Even @Apple Sky has watched it, said that she honestly believed it and it briefly changed her life. (Until she changed her mind again.)

We are not talking about a one time, off the cuff lie to try to impress a friend or get out of a difficult situation. We are talking about a public testimony and Christian preaching ministry. He has been, and maybe still is, invited to churches. It's possible that unbelievers come to Christ when they hear his testimony.

When Charles heard the words, "Jesus said 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except by me'," he said to himself, "either that's the truth or the biggest con in history".
What do you say - was he lying?

 

[Herman Hedning]

This article said;
'In the triumph of the day, no one at the tracking stations considered these differences and certainly the public was unaware. The engineers boxed the one-inch telemetry tapes wound onto 14-inch canister reels-which served no other purpose than to provide backup if the live relay failed-and shipped them to the Goddard Space Flight Center. From there, the tapes were sent to the Washington National Records Center (WRNC) in Suitland, Md. The engineers never saw the back-up telemetry tapes again.'

I wander why ? Like I've always said, they are all in cahoots together.

If you read the report you will find out.

 

[Apple Sky]

Charles became a Christian, after he went to and walked on, the moon.


Yes. Your answer is .........?

Kenneth Copeland believes in Jesus and teaches Jesus.
He is not correct when he teaches the prosperity Gospel, but that does not mean he lies about Jesus being his Saviour.

If Charles Duke is lying when he says "I walked on the moon", then he is also lying when he says that writes about Jesus, his Saviour and says that meeting Jesus was the best part of his life.

Why?
Charles either lied about walking in the moon and is lying about Jesus - in which case you'd expect God to punish him.
Or he is telling the truth about both.


Have you heard Charles' testimony - of how he was going through a difficult time with trouble in his marriage, and then he met Jesus? They had been a "religious" family for a while, but they didn't know Jesus. In 1975 his wife was on the verge of suicide.
Watch it, if you dare.

If you can't bear to watch the factual stuff about the moon, start it at 31 minutes in.

Even @Apple Sky has watched it, said that she honestly believed it and it briefly changed her life. (Until she changed her mind again.)

We are not talking about a one time, off the cuff lie to try to impress a friend or get out of a difficult situation. We are talking about a public testimony and Christian preaching ministry. He has been, and maybe still is, invited to churches. It's possible that unbelievers come to Christ when they hear his testimony.

When Charles heard the words, "Jesus said 'I am the Way, the Truth and the Life, no one comes to the Father except by me'," he said to himself, "either that's the truth or the biggest con in history".
What do you say - was he lying?

So you too are a 'YouTube groupie'

 

[Strong in Him]

So you too are a 'YouTube groupie'

No.
I looked for Charles' testimony on YouTube because you watched it on YouTube when someone else gave you the link.
Also, I'm not in America and have no other way of watching him.

Stop trying to change the subject.
Was Charles lying when he said, "Either Jesus' claim to be the Way, the Truth and the Life is true or it's the biggest con in history"?
Was he lying when he said that his wife was on the verge of suicide and had tried everything - except Jesus?

 

[Apple Sky]

If you read the report you will find out.

I'm not reading through 20 pages. Just tell us.

 

[Apple Sky]

No.
I looked for Charles' testimony on YouTube because you watched it on YouTube when someone else gave you the link.

And who might this someone else be ?

 

[Strong in Him]

And who might this someone else be ?

You're changing the subject.
Was Charles lying when he said, "Either Jesus' claim to be the Way, the Truth and the Life is true or it's the biggest con in history"?
Was he lying when he said that his wife was on the verge of suicide and had tried everything - except Jesus?

 

[Apple Sky]

You're changing the subject.

No I'm not, who was this someone else ?

 

[Herman Hedning]

I'm not reading through 20 pages. Just tell us.

It's not that hard. Try it.

 

[Strong in Him]

No I'm not, who was this someone else ?

No idea, it was in another thread. Though it's possible that you found his testimony for yourself.
Either way, you watched it and know that you did.

Was Charles lying when he said, "Either Jesus' claim to be the Way, the Truth and the Life is true or it's the biggest con in history"?
Was he lying when he said that his wife was on the verge of suicide and had tried everything - except Jesus?

 

[Apple Sky]

No idea, it was in another thread. Though it's possible that you found his testimony for yourself.

Why would I post it ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Why would I post it ?

Ok, so you're obviously too scared to say that Charles was lying when he gave his public testimony of how he met Jesus. Of how he said, "either Jesus' claim to be the Way, the Truth and the Life is true or it's the biggest con in history".
That's good. I didn't think you'd be able to say he was lying about Jesus being the Way.

It's not feasible to say that this part of Charles' testimony is true, but the bit about the moon landing is a lie.
It's all true, or it's all a lie. You once believed it was all true.

 

[Apple Sky]

Ok, so you're obviously too scared to say that Charles was lying when he gave his public testimony of how he met Jesus.

I'm not to scared to say anything.

It's not feasible to say that this part of Charles' testimony is true, but the bit about the moon landing is a lie.

Why ?

You once believed it was all true.

Once but not now ever since TFE thread.

 

[Strong in Him]

Why ?

Because it would cancel out the first part of the talk/testimony.

If Charles' talk about applying for the space mission, being accepted, having fellow astronauts who died in Apollo 1, getting to and walking on the moon etc is false, a lie, then there is no reason at all to listen to what he says about Jesus. There is no reason to believe that his marriage was in a bad way and his wife was on the brink of suicide. Why bother? The man's already lied and proved he is a crackpot/fairy story teller/liar.
"Goodnight, thanks for nothing, let's go and get a burger."

But if you are a non Christian (and I don't mean you, personally), you listen to, and believe, his account of landing on the moon and THEN hear him talk about Jesus, you will be more inclined to listen.
"What? This respected astronaut who had everything, was unhappy till he met Jesus? Maybe Jesus IS real and can help me."

Once but not now ever since TFE thread.

Doesn't matter.
Fact is that you "hand on heart" believed him.

 

[Apple Sky]

But if you are a non Christian (and I don't mean you, personally), you listen to, and believe, his account of landing on the moon and THEN hear him talk about Jesus, you will be more inclined to listen.

Just as explaining Genesis 1 does to none Christians.

Doesn't matter.
Fact is that you "hand on heart" believed him.

But like I said, now I truly believe that nobody has walked on the moon, no not one & I don't care what anyone says, all astronauts are Freemason's.