Another look at the moon landing.

[Kathleen30]

You can't speak English then?

Another nonsensical statement.

If it never happened there would be no documents at all, so even the birth of Mohamed would be able to "beat" it.

Well Stong in him maybe with other historical figures. But certainly not with Muhammad. The only real evidence in documents comes 200 - 300 yrs after his alleged death. Unlike Jesus who we have the entirety of the New Testament written in the life time of the apostolic era.which is called witness testimony . I recommend a u tube video ( what every Muslin misses about the Quran’s origins ) some 30 minutes in duration. Speaker Jay Smith

 

[Apple Sky]

 

[David Lamb]

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O come on! First you try to tell us that the red chevron is a snake's tongue, and that is an indication that NASA is satanic. Now you rearrange the four letters of NASA, stick the chevron in the middle, pretending it's a letter T, presumably claiming that it makes the name "Satan." I am sure we could play around with many acronyms in a similar way, but such playing is no evidence at all.

 

[Kathleen30]

You're making a judgement again - you don't know all the "big wigs".
And as for getting their positions of high power, have you never heard of hard work and using the gifts that God gave to them? That is true even if they aren't Christians. Everything was made by God - therefore, their talents, skills and capacity for hard work were too.

So Buzz Aldrin may have once been a Freemason? Obviously that means that he always was - and everybody else in NASA was too.

The truth is that you don't know - you said it yourself.
You don't know the "big wigs" at NASA. You don't know their faith, you don't know their characters and if they regularly tell lies.
You believe they do - because your own beliefs will not allow you to think otherwise. You can't be wrong, so everyone else - thousands/millions of them - are lying.
Your conspiracy theory beliefs have made you into the kind of person who mistrusts everyone and thinks the worst of them - even calling children of God, liars and Freemasons. Your conspiracy theory beliefs have led you to mock others and contradict yourself.

And the moon landings aren't controversial; but fact.
They happened, more than once, and we continue to explore space. You don't believe that, but that's irrelevant to the truth.
These events are over 50 years old - deal with it.

Now evaluating can Christians lie it’s never an easy process. But we know from our Bible many be Christian in name only A verse comes to mind Lord Lord didn’t we do this and do that in your name and the Lord says depart from me I never knew you . So there are certainly counterfeits . You mention Buzz Aldrin. Yes he was certainly a Freemason and has never recanted of that he also joined other Masonic organisations such as the York rite and the Arabia shrine temple of Houston. You can find more on that with a search on a website ( www Freemason.com( buzz Aldrin celebrates his 92nd birthday freemasonry ) and it begs the question what Christian would further his Masonic endeavours by joining other Masonic organisations?

 

[Apple Sky]

Now you rearrange the four letters of NASA, stick the chevron in the middle, pretending it's a letter T

Lol'z - The missing 'T' stands for 'Test' or 'Time'.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well Stong in him maybe with other historical figures. But certainly not with Muhammad. The only real evidence in documents comes 200 - 300 yrs after his alleged death. Unlike Jesus who we have the entirety of the New Testament written in the life time of the apostolic era.which is called witness testimony .

Sorry, but you didn't read my reply properly.
I said:

If it never happened there would be no documents at all, so even the birth of Mohamed would be able to "beat" it.

The "it" referred to the moon landings, which Apple Sky says never happened.
IF the moon landings had never happened, there would be no documentation at all about them. You don't write about, record, photograph etc something that didn't happen.
And if that had been the case, Mohammed's birth, with a few documents, would have been more documented than the moon landings, with none.

Christ's Birth is not documented throughout the NT, only in a few pages of Matthew and Luke's Gospels. It was Christ's birth that Apple Sky first mentioned.

 

[Strong in Him]

Now evaluating can Christians lie it’s never an easy process. But we know from our Bible many be Christian in name only A verse comes to mind Lord Lord didn’t we do this and do that in your name and the Lord says depart from me I never knew you . So there are certainly counterfeits . You mention Buzz Aldrin. Yes he was certainly a Freemason and has never recanted of that he also joined other Masonic organisations such as the York rite and the Arabia shrine temple of Houston. You can find more on that with a search on a website ( www Freemason.com( buzz Aldrin celebrates his 92nd birthday freemasonry ) and it begs the question what Christian would further his Masonic endeavours by joining other Masonic organisations?

In the first place, @Apple Sky's claim was that ALL the "bigwigs" are Freemasons. Though she admitted that she doesn't know any of them. I replied that maybe Buzz Aldrin was but that does not prove that EVERYONE in NASA, and whatever other "bigwigs" she is talking about, is a Freemason.
Secondly, I don't think I said that Buzz was a Christian I said that he took Holy Communion on the moon.

One of the astronauts who walked on the moon is Charles Duke.
He later became a Christian and gives talks about his walk on the moon and his walk with Jesus. He has said, several times, that his walk with Jesus is far more important and that meeting him was the greatest part of his life. @Apple Sky knows this because she once listened to his testimony, said, on these forums, that it moved her and that she had changed her mind about the moon landings.
There are, I understand, 3 other astronauts who walked on the moon and later became Christians.

Apple Sky now thinks they are all liars.

 

[Strong in Him]

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You're saying that NASA = Satan?
Rubbish.

 

[Kathleen30]

You're making a judgement again - you don't know all the "big wigs".
And as for getting their positions of high power, have you never heard of hard work and using the gifts that God gave to them? That is true even if they aren't Christians. Everything was made by God - therefore, their talents, skills and capacity for hard work were too.

So Buzz Aldrin may have once been a Freemason? Obviously that means that he always was - and everybody else in NASA was too.

The truth is that you don't know - you said it yourself.
You don't know the "big wigs" at NASA. You don't know their faith, you don't know their characters and if they regularly tell lies.
You believe they do - because your own beliefs will not allow you to think otherwise. You can't be wrong, so everyone else - thousands/millions of them - are lying.
Your conspiracy theory beliefs have made you into the kind of person who mistrusts everyone and thinks the worst of them - even calling children of God, liars and Freemasons. Your conspiracy theory beliefs have led you to mock others and contradict yourself.

And the moon landings aren't controversial; but fact.
They happened, more than once, and we continue to explore space. You don't believe that, but that's irrelevant to the truth.
These events are over 50 years old - deal with it.

Now when thinking upon now over 50 years old . Strong in him you say deal with it. How can we deal with it. More so when we have an absent of silence for over 50 years. These are my thoughts. 1 Even back in 1960 it was NASAs intention to build a moon base on the moon. Now considering that 4 Apollo manned flights landed on the moon got through the Van Ellen’s belt, than it should have been no problem to establish a moon base as a stepping stone for further space exploration. But 65 years that has never happened. The decades have come and gone and about the only thing to even come close was a old time tv serial called space 1999 of which I did very enjoy much discovering on u tube

2 And considering that no human manned flight has returned to the moon since the early 70’s over 50 yrs. They say because they lost all the technology and equipment and even all the data along with the original NASA footage of the moon landings . Strong in him you only be dealing with one of humanity’s greatest accomplishments and should been have been guarded like Fort Knox. 3 when the Wright brothers discovered flight our technology in flight increased it never went backwards it increased immensely. Yet with moon flights our knowledge went backwards and we have increased in technology 10 fold since the Apollo missions . Yet we cant seem to replicate what is now very antique technology and do far better. That says to me something is very wrong and why I believe no human has ever landed on the moon. Those be my thoughts. And if the astronauts of the Apollo missions had no problems wizzing through the Van Ellen than we should no problem either. But it’s been over 50 yrs. And all we hear is about the problem of radiation and it’s postponement after postponement in sending anyone back to the moon .. I guess we will all have to wait until 2027 to see what the Artemus expedition brings forth . Kathleen

 

[Apple Sky]

You're saying that NASA = Satan

Satan is an anagram for NASA & also for Santa, and who is SANTA ?

 

[Kathleen30]

In the first place, @Apple Sky's claim was that ALL the "bigwigs" are Freemasons. Though she admitted that she doesn't know any of them. I replied that maybe Buzz Aldrin was but that does not prove that EVERYONE in NASA, and whatever other "bigwigs" she is talking about, is a Freemason.
Secondly, I don't think I said that Buzz was a Christian I said that he took Holy Communion on the moon.

One of the astronauts who walked on the moon is Charles Duke.
He later became a Christian and gives talks about his walk on the moon and his walk with Jesus. He has said, several times, that his walk with Jesus is far more important and that meeting him was the greatest part of his life. @Apple Sky knows this because she once listened to his testimony, said, on these forums, that it moved her and that she had changed her mind about the moon landings.
There are, I understand, 3 other astronauts who walked on the moon and later became Christians.

Apple Sky now thinks they are all liars.

Well Strong in him hard to say whether they lied or not it be the 50 years of silence with no return to the moon it be a silent testimony that demands an answer . The evidence of what the Apollo crew’s and Russian cosmonauts claim often contradicts . Some say they see stars and others a wonderful universe even in day time others say they see nothing . As to Apple she has made her call . And logic demands that it would have to be people of a higher authority to call the shots. As to Buzz celebrating communion on the moon. Yes he did just that . Just as many Freemasons celebrate communion within churches here upon earth today. I’ve listened to many of Buzz’s Christian testimonies and he sounds so real. Yet all the contradictory evidence opposite to Christianity stares us in the face.

 

[Strong in Him]

Now when thinking upon now over 50 years old . Strong in him you say deal with it. How can we deal with it.

It happened, and can't be changed.
We can't change anything that happened even 5 minutes ago - there is no such thing as a time machine. We certainly can't change events that happened, were experienced, witnessed and recorded more than 50 years ago.

More so when we have an absent of silence for over 50 years.

Silence, in what way?
This is a list of all the space missions from around 1960 to the present day - whether they were successful, or not.

List of missions to the Moon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

These are my thoughts. 1 Even back in 1960 it was NASAs intention to build a moon base on the moon. Now considering that 4 Apollo manned flights landed on the moon got through the Van Ellen’s belt, than it should have been no problem to establish a moon base as a stepping stone for further space exploration. But 65 years that has never happened.

Landing, and briefly walking on, the moon is different to building a "moon base".
I don't know what NASA meant by that, but maybe they simply realised it was not possible - whatever their intentions, it could not be done.

And considering that no human manned flight has returned to the moon since the early 70’s over 50 yrs.

They may not have walked on the moon for 50 years, they've certainly been to it.
Look at the list. The latest date for a trip to/past the moon was Feb 2025.

They say because they lost all the technology and equipment and even all the data along with the original NASA footage of the moon landings .

I don't know whether the original footage still exists or not - means nothing.
The original Bible manuscripts no longer exist; that doesn't mean the Bible was never written.

Strong in him you only be dealing with one of humanity’s greatest accomplishments

Yes, it was.
So you agree that it happened, then?

and should been have been guarded like Fort Knox.

It probably was - but things wear out/get damaged, you know.
This is assuming that there is no original documentation of the moon landings left at all.

when the Wright brothers discovered flight our technology in flight increased it never went backwards it increased immensely. Yet with moon flights our knowledge went backwards

Our "knowledge went backwards"??
You mean we "un-learned things"?

That says to me something is very wrong and why I believe no human has ever landed on the moon.

So you think that there's something wrong with our technology now and this means that no one ever landed on the moon?
That doesn't make sense.
You previously wrote about eyewitness accounts in the Bible. There are people who are still alive who can, and do, testify that they walked on the moon. Do you think they are lying?

And all we hear is about the problem of radiation and it’s postponement after postponement in sending anyone back to the moon ..

Read the list I posted, above.
Maybe no one has walked on the moon since 1972 - that doesn't mean no one has been TO it/flown past it.

 

[Strong in Him]

Satan is an anagram for NASA

No it isn't.

and who is SANTA ?

St Nicholas WAS a real person - a bishop who gave gifts to people in secret, without them knowing about it.
Yes, the story has been embellished over the years, but it is based on FACT.

It would be better if you learned about the history of St Nicholas and stopped wasting time, posting ridiculous pictures to try to "prove" that NASA are satanic.
Like I said before; a) some of the employees are Christians, b) it is really dangerous to take something of God (in this case, a Christian bishop) and say it is of the devil.

 

[Strong in Him]

Well Strong in him hard to say whether they lied

It's not hard to say whether they lied.
Listen to Charles Duke's testimony; do some research and read biographies of other astronauts. Research to see what evidence they had for having been to the moon.
Then make up your own mind.

 

[Apple Sky]

Look at the list. The latest date for a trip to/past the moon was Feb 2025.

This list proves nothing.

 

[Strong in Him]

As to Buzz celebrating communion on the moon. Yes he did just that .

Exactly. And that's all I said.
@Apple Sky said that all this was like the Tower of Babel; a man made desire to be like God; I said that one of the first things that an astronaut did was to celebrate Jesus. They didn't say how great they were and they did it their way - them celebrated Jesus' death on the cross.

You have just confirmed that; thank you.

 

[Strong in Him]

This list proves nothing.

It shows details of all space missions - with references.

It's an awful lot of detailed, scientific information for something that "never happened".

 

[Apple Sky]

St Nicholas WAS a real person - a bishop who gave gifts to people in secret, without them knowing about it.
Yes, the story has been embellished over the years, but it is based on FACT.

Oh I believe the story about St Nicholas, but anybody will tell you that Santa from the North Pole is fictitious, surely you don't believe he is real ?

 

[Strong in Him]

Oh I believe the story about St Nicholas, but anybody will tell you that Santa from the North Pole is fictitious,

I SAID that. I said that the story had become embellished.
Nevertheless, it is based on FACT - on a real person who, even you admit, existed. Santa Niklaus = Santa Claus.

Therefore, Santa cannot be Satan.

 

[prodromos]

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