Mississippi School Homecoming Celebrations Turn Deadly as 8 People are Killed 20 Injured in Separate Shootings

[Aldebaran]

There's not enough information on the suspects available to make a determination at this point. However, based on a picture of one of the suspects, we know there was at least one handgun with a high-capacity magazine used, so a ban on high-capacity magazines may have resulted in fewer casualties.

But wouldn't have prevented the gun violence.

 

[JosephZ]

But wouldn't have prevented the gun violence.

Without knowing the criminal histories of the suspects, the types of guns used, or how the guns used were acquired, there's no way to know which gun laws, if any, could have prevented the shooting.

 

[Aldebaran]

Without knowing the criminal histories of the suspects, the types of guns used, or how the guns used were acquired, there's no way to know which gun laws, if any, could have prevented the shooting.

Then why all the advocating for stricter gun laws?

 

[Larniavc]

Mississippi has none of the gun laws listed below:

Vermont

• Background Check is Required for All Firearm Purchases, Including Those From Private Sellers
• A 72-Hour Waiting Period for Firearm Purchases.
• High Capacity Magazines Prohibited
• Extreme Risk Law
• Secure Storage Law
• Minimum Age of 21 to Purchase a Firearm
• Prohibition for Convicted Domestic Abusers
• Prohibition for Domestic Abusers Under Restraining Orders
• Prohibition for People With Stalking Convictions From Having Firearms
• Three Day Waiting Period

Maine

• Secure Storage Law
• No Gun Purchases After Violent Offense
• Prohibition for Convicted Domestic Abusers
• Prohibition for Domestic Abusers Under Restraining Orders
• Prohibition for People Who Have Been Involuntarily Committed to a Psychiatric Hospital or Found to be a Danger to Themselves or Others Due to Mental Illness

New Hampshire

• Secure Storage Law
• Prohibition for People Who Have Been Convicted of a Hate Crime
• Prohibition for Domestic Abusers Under Restraining Orders
• Relinquishment of Firearms for Convicted Domestic Abusers

California's gun death rate is 7.6 per 100,000, while Ohio's is approximately 15.7, which is 107% higher than California's. Let's pretend that Ohio adopted the same gun laws as California and it has the exact same effect. In 2022, Ohio had 1,852 gun deaths. If the gun death rate was the same as California's, there would have been 895, or 957 fewer gun deaths in that year.

If you had a choice between:

A) You can carry your Glock in public for the extremely rare occasion when you might need it to protect yourself or others from violent crime in Ohio.
or
B) You have to leave your Glock at home, but 957 fewer people will die in Ohio as a result of gun violence each year.

B. Clearly.

 

[Larniavc]

Then why all the advocating for stricter gun laws?

They would reduce the frequency and lethality of shootings.

 

[Aldebaran]

They would reduce the frequency and lethality of shootings.

Supposedly.
Then maybe Mississippi should adopt the Chicago gun law model. We've all seen what a success that's been. It might necessitate the National Guard being called in to eventually clean up the mess that would result, but at least people could say, "We did something!". More likely, they'd say, "This is just the first step in getting rid of gun ownership!"

 

[JosephZ]

Supposedly.
Then maybe Mississippi should adopt the Chicago gun law model. We've all seen what a success that's been.

The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana, where gun laws are far less restrictive. This is why stricter gun laws like those found in the city of Chicago and the state of California need to be imposed at the federal level.

 

[Aldebaran]

The majority of guns used in Chicago crimes come from outside the city and from across the border in Indiana, where gun laws are far less restrictive. This is why stricter gun laws like those found in the city of Chicago and the state of California need to be imposed at the federal level.

You've said all that before.

 

[d taylor]

Universal background checks, including private sales, would make it harder for criminals to get guns.

Safe storage laws would reduce gun thefts, which is a significant source of firearms used in murders.

A ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines would result in fewer deaths in mass shootings.

Preventing convicted domestic abusers, domestic abusers under restraining orders, and people with stalking convictions from owning firearms would prevent a lot of people from being killed in domestic violence incidents.

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Well how to compare Mississippi with California, is to take the section of California who racial makeup matches the Mississippi Delta's and compare murder rates. Because 100% of the killing in Mississippi are blacks killing blacks and see how the gun laws in California are working to prevent murder.

 

[Larniavc]

"This is just the first step in getting rid of gun ownership!"

If it saves lives isn’t it worth it?

 

[Larniavc]

Because 100% of the killing in Mississippi are blacks killing blacks

Correction: it’s Americans killing Americans. If only Americans weren’t so predisposed to crime and low morals there would not be this situation.

I’m being subtle.

 

[d taylor]

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My city/town (15,000) would have no murders for 2025 if it were not for black killing blacks.

 

[iluvatar5150]

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My city/town (15,000) would have no murders for 2025 if it were not for black killing blacks.

Your town is small enough that any murder is an outlier and tough to extrapolate trends from.

 

[Larniavc]

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My city/town (15,000) would have no murders for 2025 if it were not for black killing blacks.

It would have had even fewer if no Americans lived there. They are always killing each other over possessions or simply because they are a contentious people. It seems to be in their nature.

If it were all Europeans living there with their more civilised culture it would be much better. When you compare what European culture has brought to the world with American culture I can’t think of anything of cultural note that Americans have contributed.

But when Americans live in an area it causes pollution, high crime rates, recidivism and intellectual and moral degeneration.

The subtlety continues apace.

 

[d taylor]

Your town is small enough that any murder is an outlier and tough to extrapolate trends from.

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Well we have 19 as of now for 2025

 

[iluvatar5150]

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Well we have 19 as of now for 2025

Holy jeez. That's more than double the rate of any of the cities on this list.

Why aren't we sending the NG to your town?

 

[JosephZ]

Well how to compare Mississippi with California, is to take the section of California who racial makeup matches the Mississippi Delta's and compare murder rates. Because 100% of the killing in Mississippi are blacks killing blacks and see how the gun laws in California are working to prevent murder.

The gun homicide rate in Holmes County, MS, is 102.8 per 100,000, with a Black population of 80%. Poverty rate 38.0% (26.5% above the national average)

The gun homicide rate in Coahoma County, MS, is 74.6 per 100,000, with a Black population of 75.9%. Poverty rate 36.3% (24.8% above the national average)

The gun homicide rate in Leflore County, MS, is 66.9 per 100,000, with a Black population of 74.5%. Poverty rate 34.8% (22.9% above the national average)

There are no counties in California with a majority Black population, but there are a few small communities in LA County that are.

View Park-Windsor Hills: 83.8%

Ladera Heights: 72.4%

Leimert Park: 70%

Baldwin Hills: 65%

The gun homicide rate in these communities is 0. These communities are upper middle class to affluent, so they do not have the same issues as Mississippi when it comes to poverty and lack of opportunity.

The four cities in California that come the closest to the Mississippi Delta region as far as poverty, high minority populations (greater than 95% Black and Hispanic), and gang violence are Compton, Watts, Hawthorne, and Inglewood. The combined gun homicide rate in these four cities is 19.3 per 100,000. Poverty rate 16% (5.5% above the national average)

A better comparison would be cities and counties in the state of Maryland, which has similar gun laws to those found in California.

Prince George's County, Maryland, has a Black population of 59% and a gun homicide rate of 16.7 per 100,000. Poverty rate 10.3% (1.2% below the national average)

Baltimore City has a Black population of 60% and a gun homicide rate of 36.3 per 100,000. Poverty rate 20.2% (8.7% above the national average)

The image below is hard to read, but each of the blue dots represents gun laws and safety measures taken in the states of Maryland, California, and Mississippi.

Conclusion: High poverty rates (Not "Blacks") + Weak gun laws = High rates of gun violence

The state of Mississippi needs to be investing more in community programs, education, and economic opportunities, especially in communities that have the highest rates of poverty and violence. More funding for NGOs that work in these communities and having more people willing to volunteer would also go a long way. In addition to having some of the highest rates of poverty in the country, Mississippi also has some of the weakest gun laws. This too needs to be addressed.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I'm tired of it all. I just want it to all end. ugh

and the sad fact is that violence will never end in this broken world.

 

[dogs4thewin]

There aren't many gun laws in effect for them to have to adhere to in Mississippi. A few laws that might have helped in this case would be universal background checks (including private sales), a ban on assault-style weapons and high-capacity magazines, and requiring firearms training, registration, and licensing.

and people who do things like this would not obey those laws anyway. Laws only work for people who care. It is like this people who can be trusted with guns do not need gun laws and people who cannot (usually) do not give a darn.

 

[JosephZ]

and people who do things like this would not obey those laws anyway. Laws only work for people who care. It is like this people who can be trusted with guns do not need gun laws and people who cannot (usually) do not give a darn.

You're right, many criminals will not obey gun laws, but even if they decide not to obey gun laws, the laws will still reduce the availability of guns to criminals and the number of gun deaths in the country. For example, having universal background checks that include private sales will reduce the number of gun sales and transfers to criminals; safe storage laws can prevent guns from being easily stolen and ending up in the hands of criminals; and a ban on high-capacity magazines and assault-style weapons can limit the number of casualties during a gun crime or mass shooting. Combining stricter gun laws with stronger penalties for violating them and when crimes are committed with guns will save a lot of lives.

One of the biggest problems right now is that gun laws vary so much from one state to another that criminals in states with strong laws can just travel to a state with less restrictive laws to get what they want. If stronger gun laws like those found in California were to be applied at the federal level, gun violence would drop dramatically nationwide.