Another look at the moon landing.

[David Lamb]

Dave it’s a most interesting video it concerns a NASA reel accidentally no doubt given to a researcher by mistake which shows clearly the astronauts faking that they are some 130 thousand miles out in deep space when they are still in earths orbit. Why even fake such shots if you are supposedly on the way to the moon. Plenty of time to film the occasion when you be in deep space. As to Apple she does have the right to express her thoughts. The video is called ( A funny thing happened on the way to the moon ) . Not a strange thing happened on the way to the moon as me wrote prior . You do find the evidence at the 32nd minute mark if you choose not to watch the full video. Yours Kathleen.

So you would rather believe this video claiming to show astronauts faking the moon trip than the Christian testimony of an astronaut like Charles Duke saying that he did indeed go to the moon? Are you saying, as Apple Sky does, that he was lying?

 

[Strong in Him]

I still don't believe that man has walked on the moon, so if you want to call me a hypocrite, so be it.

So you think he is lying, and you haven't repented of that fact.

You would only be a hypocrite if you said "I repent of calling Charles a liar" on this forum, but still believed in your heart that he was a liar.
If you are NOT doing this; if you believe, and are blatantly stating, that a child of God is a liar, you are not a hypocrite.
But you are still someone who is calling one of God's children a liar.

If you don't believe Charles' testimony, then you believe he is lying about Jesus.

 

[Strong in Him]

This of course if the shuttle was actually in space, I believe the shuttle was a jet plane made up to look like the shuttle.

Of course you do because you are addicted to conspiracy theories - it's all a con; everyone is lying and faking, except for you.

I remember watching a video about this, I will try and find it.

Save yourself the trouble; it won't be true.

 

[Strong in Him]

What do you mean? They were close enough for it to affect them I’m.sure they could have stayed longer at their own peril of course

In post #2920 I quoted part of an article. Here is a link to the website.

Moon landing conspiracy theories aren't true - here's how we know

Fifty years after the first Moon landing, some people still don't believe that it actually happened. Here's how we know that it did.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[prodromos]

Prodomos no one doubts the ability of the astronauts in their profession . Yet that doesn’t change the reality of how they acted with the media. For someone who had just conquered the moon they should have been over the moon with joy. Instead as I said they were like death warmed up and rather subdued and very guarded with their words.

That is how they were trained to communicate. Calm, accurate, nothing superfluous. There is also the fact that the press conference was held weeks after they had returned. That was weeks of medical examinations and debriefing including 2 weeks isolated at Tripler Medical Center in Hawaii, just in case they brought back some bug from the moon.

Also there was question asked by a reporter how did they view the stars. Neil Armstrong states that he didn’t really see any and then Michael Collin’s jumps in and says I can’t remember seeing any stars. Michael was never on the moon. But he should have seen the glory of the universe and lots of stars whilst orbiting as pilot more so on the dark side of the moon of which he would have orbited around the moon well over a good 10 times and probably more. That’s how I see it and find it rather odd.

No stars are visible during daylight. Michael Collins was likely preoccupied with monitoring his orbit or getting sleep when in the moon's shadow. He wasn't on a sightseeing trip.

Prodomos you mention something about being wrong ? And yes lead is certainly is used on X-rays for protection but it was also used for protection on the Apollo 11 too. The Apollo 11’s Capsule aluminium shielding amounted to a wall of lead about 7 millimeters thick so it was certainly part of Apollo 11’s protection

The aluminium body of the command module was equivalent to 7mm of lead. There was absolutely no lead used in the Apollo missions.

Not that it would have protected them as you say from the gamma rays or neutrons of the Van Allen Belt. And certainly not also by choosing the quickest way through the Van Ellen belt, that would mot have protected them one bit either. You may say that lived to tell the tale. That is of course if they ever went.

Gamma radiation is not significant in the Van Allen belts. They are made up of charged particles, primarily electrons and protons. Neutrons are not charged particles (big hint in the name "neutron") and are not present in the Van Allen belts. The risk to the astronauts from radiation was relatively minor compared to the risk of sitting on the top of a controlled explosion, or the possibility of damage causing the loss of their oxygen.

Then You write my of my comment ( of food for thought ) you write ( No its simply fear mongering from conspiracists ? Prodomos I would say to that when reading through the histories of our world. That conspiracy’s happen all the time and probably everyday. Just look through our history and you’ll find plenty. Actually the words conspiracy theory was hijacked by the CIA and being weaponised and used by them with negative connotations in a way to destroy anyone who didn’t conform to the Warren commission at the time. And it hasn’t stopped since . As conspiracy theorists continue to be slandered as tinfoil mad hatters until this very day. That’s aIl me say on the matter

The level of conspiracy that would be necessary to fake the moon landings if they never happened is simply too mind bogglingly stupid to take seriously for a moment. It would require agreements between enemy nations spanning decades despite ongoing conflicts. You really need to have a tenuous grip on reality to be able to believe it.

 

[prodromos]

What do you mean? They were close enough for it to affect them I’m.sure they could have stayed longer at their own peril of course

They were not in a circular orbit at a constant distance from the earth. They were in an eliptical orbit which swung close to the earth and then out to nearly 400 miles from the earth.

 

[Hentenza]

Batteries not included

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lol but they are there. Lunar reflectors. On the surface of the moon. Man made. Still in use today. Installed during lunar landings. So now what. This is one that you and your cronies can’t disprove.

 

[d taylor]

So a non Christian can fully accept who Jesus was, that he came to earth to die for our sins and reconcile us to God, that he told people to repent, (Mark 1:15, Luke 13:5) and that he said his blood was for the forgiveness of sins - but they don't need to repent of those sins?

Did I have to repent of what?

No, I accepted that what I saw on television was a fact. There was nothing to repent, or change my mind, about - men couldn't get to, and walk on, the moon, and then they could.

People can be totally certain that Jesus existed, lived, taught and died, without really and fully accepting the fact that God loves them, personally.
Christians can be intellectually convinced that the Holy Spirit exists and yet have not asked to be filled with/baptized in the Spirit so that he totally transforms their lives. The book, "9.00 in the morning" describes this; I think Colin Urquhart wrote about it too.
In Acts 19 there were Christians who believed in Jesus but "had not even heard" that there was a Holy Spirit.

The NT often has the word "know"; John said he was writing so that people would know.
The Hebrew word for "know" meant, "knowing in such a way that it transforms your life". It wasn't just intellectually accepting, it was doing something about it. I have recently read a book in which the author says the same thing; if the information you have accepted does not change your life, if you don't put it into practice - you don't know it. How many people say the Lord's Prayer but do not know God as their loving, perfect heavenly Father?

So how can a non Christian know that Jesus died for their sins and that if they accept that they are reconciled to God - yet not have to repent of their sins?

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It is only belief in Jesus that Gives a person God's free gift of Eternal Life Why are you adding in all of this other stuff that has nothing to do with eternal life.

Your added stuff
fully accept who Jesus was, that he came to earth to die for our sins and reconcile us to God, his blood was for the forgiveness of sins - but they don't need to repent of those sins? People can be totally certain that Jesus existed, lived, taught and died, without really and fully accepting the fact that God loves them, personally.
Christians can be intellectually convinced that the Holy Spirit exists and yet have not asked to be filled with/baptized in the Spirit so that he totally transforms their lives. The book, "9.00 in the morning" describes this; I think Colin Urquhart wrote about it too.
In Acts 19 there were Christians who believed in Jesus but "had not even heard" that there was a Holy Spirit.

Maybe you should reread The Gospel of John as it is the only book of The Bible specifically written to tell people how to have life (eternal life). Which The Gospel of John states many times to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life/Everlasting Life and does not add into the message of life by belief in Jesus with repenting of sins, etc...

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live. And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
She said to Him, “Yes, Lord, I believe that You are the Christ, the Son of God, who is to come into the world.”

I am not going to do a back and forth on this and it is just like God's creation you can believe what you want. I personally do not care.

 

[d taylor]

So a non Christian can fully accept who Jesus was, that he came to earth to die for our sins and reconcile us to God, that he told people to repent, (Mark 1:15, Luke 13:5) and that he said his blood was for the forgiveness of sins - but they don't need to repent of those sins?

Did I have to repent of what?

No, I accepted that what I saw on television was a fact. There was nothing to repent, or change my mind, about - men couldn't get to, and walk on, the moon, and then they could.

People can be totally certain that Jesus existed, lived, taught and died, without really and fully accepting the fact that God loves them, personally.
Christians can be intellectually convinced that the Holy Spirit exists and yet have not asked to be filled with/baptized in the Spirit so that he totally transforms their lives. The book, "9.00 in the morning" describes this; I think Colin Urquhart wrote about it too.
In Acts 19 there were Christians who believed in Jesus but "had not even heard" that there was a Holy Spirit.

The NT often has the word "know"; John said he was writing so that people would know.
The Hebrew word for "know" meant, "knowing in such a way that it transforms your life". It wasn't just intellectually accepting, it was doing something about it. I have recently read a book in which the author says the same thing; if the information you have accepted does not change your life, if you don't put it into practice - you don't know it. How many people say the Lord's Prayer but do not know God as their loving, perfect heavenly Father?

So how can a non Christian know that Jesus died for their sins and that if they accept that they are reconciled to God - yet not have to repent of their sins?

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I have one question not related to your post, do you believe in evolution?

 

[Apple Sky]

This is one that you and your cronies can’t disprove.

Prove they are there.

 

[David Lamb]

Prove they are there.

What proof will satisfy you, though? Posters have already said that the reflectors are being used today, but you seem to doubt that they are even there.

 

[Hentenza]

Prove they are there.

Already did. As I stated these reflectors are still in use today. Here is an article that @prodromos posted earlier.

Celebrating 60 Years of Milestones: The Apollo 11 Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment

As the IEEE Photonics Society marks its 60th anniversary, it’s not only a time to celebrate the community’s growth and innovations, but also to reflect on the defining milestones that […]

ieeephotonics.org

 

[Strong in Him]

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It is only belief in Jesus that Gives a person God's free gift of Eternal Life

The devil believes in Jesus.

Someone can not say they believe in Jesus if they doubt what he said or who he was.

fully accept who Jesus was,

How can someone believe in Jesus without believing he was who he said that he was - i.e God?

The Pharisees believed in Jesus; they could see him standing in front of them. Did they believe IN him? If so, why did they accuse him of driving out demons in the power of Beelzebub? If they believed IN him, why did Jesus call them hypocrites and whitewashed tombs?

, that he came to earth to die for our sins

Jesus said that his blood was shed for the sins of the world.
If that wasn't true, then Jesus was lying/made a mistake. How can someone who thinks that Jesus was a liar/mistaken believe in him?

Maybe you should reread The Gospel of John as it is the only book of The Bible specifically written to tell people how to have life (eternal life). Which The Gospel of John states many times to believe in Jesus for Eternal Life/Everlasting Life and does not add into the message of life by belief in Jesus with repenting of sins, etc...

So if repentance is not needed then John the Baptist, the Apostles and Jesus himself all lied - or at least were mistaken?

Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me,

Believing IN Jesus means believing all his words and actions.
If not, then the Pharisees, Sadducees, Herod, Judas, Jews, Muslims, Sunday Christians etc were/are saved.
Even JWs, Mormons, Moonies and all the false prophets who've been predicting the end of the world, believe in Jesus.

I am not going to do a back and forth on this and it is just like God's creation you can believe what you want. I personally do not care.

Well why are you on these forums then?

Are you going to tell God that you didn't preach the Gospel because you don't care what others believe?

 

[Strong in Him]

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I have one question not related to your post, do you believe in evolution?

That's irrelevant to this discussion.

Are you saying you will accept my post, above, if I say "no"?

 

[Apple Sky]

Already did. As I stated these reflectors are still in use today. Here is an article that @prodromos posted earlier.

Celebrating 60 Years of Milestones: The Apollo 11 Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment

As the IEEE Photonics Society marks its 60th anniversary, it’s not only a time to celebrate the community’s growth and innovations, but also to reflect on the defining milestones that […]

ieeephotonics.org

This proves nothing, you can't prove they are there just as much as I can't prove they are not, so me & all my cronies are saying, prove they are there but you can't can you ? All's you've got is a hear say article.

 

[David Lamb]

This proves nothing, you can't prove they are there just as much as I can't prove they are not, so me & all my cronies are saying, prove they are there but you can't can you ? All's you've got is a hear say article.

So if you can't prove they are not there, why do you refuse to believe the evidence that they are there, i.e. that they are being used, and have been since they were placed there?

 

[Apple Sky]

What proof will satisfy you,

A video of work in progress, a laser reaching the moon & back.

 

[Hentenza]

This proves nothing, you can't prove they are there just as much as I can't prove they are not, so me & all my cronies are saying, prove they are there but you can't can you ? All's you've got is a hear say article.

Let me repeat this slowly. The reflectors are STILL in use today. This is FACTUAL and ABSOLUTE proof. So yes, I can prove that the reflectors are in the surface of the moon.

The article was merely for you to know what the reflectors are and what they are used for.

 

[David Lamb]

A video of work in progress, a laser reaching the moon & back.

Not sure what you mean by a work in progress. Do you mean the original setting up of the reflectors by the astronauts? There is a video here Bouncing Lasers off the Moon which shows the reflectors being set up, and also them being used after the moon landing. (There are probably plenty of other videos - this was just the first I came across.) The video is only 6 minutes 23 seconds long.

As for lasers going to the moon and back, this site has a video including that:

(It's just 3 minutes 14 seconds long.)

 

[Herman Hedning]

The retroreflectors have been mentioned many times in this and other threads. Apple Sky either denies, ignores, or laughs at them.