Another look at the moon landing.

[d taylor]

Atlas rocket launch seen from Jet airliner.
Well above the clouds.

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Well that was my mistake as i had a just moment before work and wanted to tell her that, that is not a video of a rocket hitting the firmament. So i quickly googled how high do amateur rockets go and came across this And just read the first line.

Amateur rockets can reach various altitudes, with some achieving heights over 47,000 feet, significantly higher than Mount Everest. However, certain amateur rockets have even surpassed the Kármán line, which is the boundary of space at about 62 miles (100 kilometers) above sea level. Space Wikipedia

Buit it still does not change my point that that video is not a video of a rocket hitting the firmament Even if the rocket went 100-200 miles up it still would not hit the firnamnet.

 

[prodromos]

Dave that maybe so . But the real question I think is upon the radiation affect upon anyone travelling through that belt. There was no real protection for the astronauts within that capsule of the Apollo mission to the moon . And we only have to look what took place upon one of the space Shuttle missions decades later when it got to close to experimenting with the Van Allen Belt. the effects on how it was becoming critical to the crews wellbeing . So much so they had move back into a lower earth orbit

There was only one mission where the space shuttle got close to the inner Van Allen Belt, for the installation of the Hubble Space Telescope, and it was only for a short time due to being an elliptical orbit around the earth, their apogee being around 600 miles from earth. I don't recall there being any issues, critical or otherwise, associated with their brief foray into the inner ring. Do you have any reputable sources saying otherwise or is this just a made up story?

 

[d taylor]

A person can't accept Jesus and believe that he died for their sins without repenting.

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A person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life without repenting of sin/sins. Repenting has noting to do with believing in Jesus. You believe people went to the moon, did you have to repent to believe this.

Believing is simply being convinced something is true.

 

[Strong in Him]

I know this but this astronaut needs to repent in public.

No, he has nothing to repent of.

He knows that he walked on the moon. So do you, you once believed him.
Now you are calling one of God's children a liar.

 

[Apple Sky]

You, on the other hand, do, as you have publicly slandered a Christian brother.

OK I repent, but this still doesn't stop my belief that no man has walked on the moon.

 

[Hentenza]

OK I repent, but this still doesn't stop my belief that no man has walked on the moon.

Lunar reflectors. They are there now. On the surface of the moon. It is a man made object. It was left on the moon by the lunar landings. They still use them today. Now what?

 

[prodromos]

Lunar reflectors. They are there now. On the surface of the moon. It is a man made object. It was left on the moon by the lunar landings. They still use them today. Now what?

Celebrating 60 Years of Milestones: The Apollo 11 Lunar Laser Ranging Experiment

As the IEEE Photonics Society marks its 60th anniversary, it’s not only a time to celebrate the community’s growth and innovations, but also to reflect on the defining milestones that […]

ieeephotonics.org

 

[prodromos]

A person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life without repenting of sin/sins. Repenting has noting to do with believing in Jesus. You believe people went to the moon, did you have to repent to believe this.

Believing is simply being convinced something is true.

The demons believe, and tremble.

 

[Apple Sky]

Lunar reflectors. They are there now. On the surface of the moon. It is a man made object. It was left on the moon by the lunar landings. They still use them today

Batteries not included

 

[prodromos]

Batteries not included

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They are mirrors. No batteries needed.

 

[Apple Sky]

They are mirrors. No batteries needed.

That's what I said, batteries not included

 

[prodromos]

That's what I said, batteries not included

I have no idea why that amuses you.

 

[Strong in Him]

-A person can believe in Jesus for God's free gift of Eternal Life without repenting of sin/sins. Repenting has noting to do with believing in Jesus​

So a non Christian can fully accept who Jesus was, that he came to earth to die for our sins and reconcile us to God, that he told people to repent, (Mark 1:15, Luke 13:5) and that he said his blood was for the forgiveness of sins - but they don't need to repent of those sins?

You believe people went to the moon, did you have to repent to believe this.​

Did I have to repent of what?

No, I accepted that what I saw on television was a fact. There was nothing to repent, or change my mind, about - men couldn't get to, and walk on, the moon, and then they could.

Believing is simply being convinced something is true.

People can be totally certain that Jesus existed, lived, taught and died, without really and fully accepting the fact that God loves them, personally.
Christians can be intellectually convinced that the Holy Spirit exists and yet have not asked to be filled with/baptized in the Spirit so that he totally transforms their lives. The book, "9.00 in the morning" describes this; I think Colin Urquhart wrote about it too.
In Acts 19 there were Christians who believed in Jesus but "had not even heard" that there was a Holy Spirit.

The NT often has the word "know"; John said he was writing so that people would know.
The Hebrew word for "know" meant, "knowing in such a way that it transforms your life". It wasn't just intellectually accepting, it was doing something about it. I have recently read a book in which the author says the same thing; if the information you have accepted does not change your life, if you don't put it into practice - you don't know it. How many people say the Lord's Prayer but do not know God as their loving, perfect heavenly Father?

So how can a non Christian know that Jesus died for their sins and that if they accept that they are reconciled to God - yet not have to repent of their sins?

 

[Kathleen30]

The astronauts were chosen for their ability to stay cool and respond calmly and rationally in potentially life threatening situations. It wasn't like they could pull over into a service station if anything went wrong. They weren't chosen for their people skills

You have been misled. Lead is used as shielding for x-rays. The Van Allen Belts are made up of charged particles, not x-rays.

They had more than enough protection for the short time they passed through the thinnest parts of the belt.

No, it is simply fear mongering from the conspiracists.

Prodomos no one doubts the ability of the astronauts in their profession . Yet that doesn’t change the reality of how they acted with the media. For someone who had just conquered the moon they should have been over the moon with joy. Instead as I said they were like death warmed up and rather subdued and very guarded with their words. Also there was question asked by a reporter how did they view the stars. Neil Armstrong states that he didn’t really see any and then Michael Collin’s jumps in and says I can’t remember seeing any stars. Michael was never on the moon. But he should have seen the glory of the universe and lots of stars whilst orbiting as pilot more so on the dark side of the moon of which he would have orbited around the moon well over a good 10 times and probably more. That’s how I see it and find it rather odd. And you may not find it so. And that’s fine.

Prodomos you mention something about being wrong ? And yes lead is certainly is used on X-rays for protection but it was also used for protection on the Apollo 11 too. The Apollo 11’s Capsule aluminium shielding amounted to a wall of lead about 7 millimeters thick so it was certainly part of Apollo 11’s protection . Not that it would have protected them as you say from the gamma rays or neutrons of the Van Allen Belt. And certainly not also by choosing the quickest way through the Van Ellen belt, that would mot have protected them one bit either. You may say that lived to tell the tale. That is of course if they ever went.

Then You write my of my comment ( of food for thought ) you write ( No its simply fear mongering from conspiracists ? Prodomos I would say to that when reading through the histories of our world. That conspiracy’s happen all the time and probably everyday. Just look through our history and you’ll find plenty. Actually the words conspiracy theory was hijacked by the CIA and being weaponised and used by them with negative connotations in a way to destroy anyone who didn’t conform to the Warren commission at the time. And it hasn’t stopped since . As conspiracy theorists continue to be slandered as tinfoil mad hatters until this very day. That’s aIl me say on the matter

 

[Strong in Him]

OK I repent, but this still doesn't stop my belief that no man has walked on the moon.

Of course it does!
Charles' public statement is "I walked on the moon .... but this is not as important as my walk with Jesus."
You said that that was a lie.
If you are repenting of that it means you have completely changed your mind and are rejecting your former statement that he was lying. Which means you now believe he is telling the truth - i.e he DID walk on the moon, just as you believed a few months ago.
(Unless you mean, "I am sorry that I publicly called him a liar, even though in my heart I know that he is one" - in which case, that's hypocrisy.)

A person cannot be mistaken about whether or not they applied for a space mission, did lots of training and psychological tests, spent months away from their families, flew to the moon and walked on it. Either they did, or they didn't.
If you believe his testimony, they you believe that he DID do all that, and also that he is telling the truth about having met Jesus and become a Christian.
If you don't believe his testimony, then he is either lying or deluded - in which case, he is lying about Jesus too.

 

[Kathleen30]

There was only one mission where the space shuttle got close to the inner Van Allen Belt, for the installation of the Hubble Space Telescope, and it was only for a short time due to being an elliptical orbit around the earth, their apogee being around 600 miles from earth. I don't recall there being any issues, critical or otherwise, associated with their brief foray into the inner ring. Do you have any reputable sources saying otherwise or is this just a made up story?

Prodomos and for good reason because they were seeing stars not too critical at the time but they certainly didn’t hang to find out they moved to a lower orbit

 

[prodromos]

Prodomos and for good reason because they were seeing stars not too critical at the time but they certainly didn’t hang to find out they moved to a lower orbit

So you have nothing to back up your claim? Their eliptical orbit meant that they were only briefly near the inner Van Allen belt. They couldn't have stayed longer if they wanted to.

 

[Kathleen30]

So you have nothing to back up your claim? Their eliptical orbit meant that they were only briefly near the inner Van Allen belt. They couldn't have stayed longer if they wanted to.

What do you mean? They were close enough for it to affect them I’m.sure they could have stayed longer at their own peril of course

 

[Apple Sky]

Prodomos and for good reason because they were seeing stars not too critical at the time but they certainly didn’t hang to find out they moved to a lower orbit

This of course if the shuttle was actually in space, I believe the shuttle was a jet plane made up to look like the shuttle.

I remember watching a video about this, I will try and find it.

 

[Apple Sky]

Of course it does!
Charles' public statement is "I walked on the moon .... but this is not as important as my walk with Jesus."
You said that that was a lie.
If you are repenting of that it means you have completely changed your mind and are rejecting your former statement that he was lying. Which means you now believe he is telling the truth - i.e he DID walk on the moon, just as you believed a few months ago.
(Unless you mean, "I am sorry that I publicly called him a liar, even though in my heart I know that he is one" - in which case, that's hypocrisy.)

A person cannot be mistaken about whether or not they applied for a space mission, did lots of training and psychological tests, spent months away from their families, flew to the moon and walked on it. Either they did, or they didn't.
If you believe his testimony, they you believe that he DID do all that, and also that he is telling the truth about having met Jesus and become a Christian.
If you don't believe his testimony, then he is either lying or deluded - in which case, he is lying about Jesus too.

I still don't believe that man has walked on the moon, so if you want to call me a hypocrite, so be it.