Can we talk about ADHD... and such ?

[Carl Emerson]

What keeps a person with ADHD from walking in His purpose?

Folks can have serious academic ability but struggle to meet deadlines, pass exams, and frustrating them from walking in the God given talents they have been given.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I used the word deliberate, I said that I deliberately chose a mainstream mental health based link.

This is me again quoting myself from post no 40 - "What I am saying is there is a shortage of science in the realm of mental health, and if there was not then these clear numbers of errors would not exist. You are entirely correct that the article I linked to is not saying that,"
Not a hint of me misrepresenting there...surely? I said I am saying it....

At best, it was a strange article to use to make your point. But anyways...

Now you are saying you did not argue this..."and that it is downright "toxic" to believe that Jesus can help those who suffer." That is what I am saying you did.

In the OP -

"Carl Emerson said:
At the same time, believers have access to the redemption of the soul through the Cross, including healing and deliverance - but not many seem to access this because the modern theology has moved on from these 'archaic beliefs'."

Your post 56 -

"Carl Emerson said:
Personally I think a big part of the problem is that Churches have lost touch with the healing grace available through the Cross and abdicated responsibility for the flock to 'professional services'.

Elders are not seen as the 'go to' source of healing prayer because of poor or little biblical teaching.

Your response to him is "Most of what you’ve written in this thread is nothing more than toxic, over-spiritualized nonsense"

I am under the impression that Carl Emerson would like to see more people recieve Jesus' love, grace and healing from conditions we in the modern world call "mental health problems", and that he is not ashamed to share his own beliefs about what happened to him, as a testimony to Jesus helping with such things. I am also under the impression that you believe what he is doing is toxic, over-spiritualized nonsense.

I am sorry if I have misunderstood, however, that the best I can do to explain what I thought you meant.

You're leaving out important context. First, there's the suggestion that this is all a big money grab:

Is anyone else concerned about the rise of 'modern' conditions that grip lives and ensnare them in pharmaceutical dependence at great expense ?

In our country - just to get an official diagnosis for ADHD from a Psychiatrist will cost you around $2000. This is required before you get access to any med's.

Stepping back - this generation is subject to more stress than any other since WW2.

It seems the human condition trying to survive under pressure shuts down as a survival response.

These 'symptoms' are picked up by the medics and bingo another serious source of profit.

At the same time, believers have access to the redemption of the soul through the Cross, including healing and deliverance - but not many seem to access this because the modern theology has moved on from these 'archaic beliefs'.

"Confess your sins to one another and pray for one another that you may be healed" is rarely activated.

Am I the only one concerned about this ?

Then there's the implication that ADHD has a spiritual cause:

Yes - is 'real' all right, and Psychiatrists can't identify a cause, they just try to treat the symptoms with med's.

Then again Psychiatrists are not allowed to deal with a spiritual cause, that is why I hear of Christians leaving the profession and becoming counsellors or clinical psychologists so they can deal with spiritual causes when and if they arise.

Then there's the suggestion that treatment is purely pharmacological:

Sometimes the root cause of mental health is spiritual - that is why we see Christian Psychiatrists in our country leaving the profession so they can deal with the spiritual cause as Christian Counsellors.
They have concluded they are not dealing with a physical cause.

Controlling symptoms with medication may bring relief, but the primary cause is often left untouched.

It's not. Therapists don't prescribe medicine at all. You need an MD for that.

On it's own, "You should pray" is fine. When it becomes a problem is when it's paired with the implication that professional medical help is an ineffective scam.

 

[RamiC]

Once again you’re missing the point. If the bible wanted to expound it would have. They left out details for a reason.

Who left out details and for what reason?

Whether you accept it has no bearing on its authority and pertinence in your example.

Accept what? That people do not need to be ashamed or feel guilty if Jesus can help them?

Just because you believe in God doesn’t make you qualified to address medical issues based on your beliefs.

You are quite right, I can question what constitutes a valid "medical issue" because I am a human being, I do not have to be a Christian to do that...anyone can do it.

You’re not a doctor.

Correct, I am an artist. For my personal interest in this thread see the last paragraph of my post no 40. I am not a doctor, I am not God, and I do not do deliverance ministry.

Nor is administering deliverance on par with the same.

~bella

I do not "administer deliverance", Jesus can set people free of things, it happens. As occurred in the Biblical example of Legion. Simple.
I do not do any of it, I just happen to be convinced it can be done.

 

[Carl Emerson]

There is medicine to help those with ADHD to live fairly normal lives. My nephew has ADHD and is an Engineer with several degrees. That takes concentration.

Living a faithful Godly life doesn't take a lot of concentration. It takes surrendering to the Holy Spirit and letting that Spirit guide you.

You have said it takes concentration to get several degrees.

Then you say living a faithful Godly life doesn't take concentration.

Are we to assume the Godly don't need to concentrate to pass degrees ?

 

[bèlla]

Who left out details and for what reason?

The bible does not address the origin of the demoniac’s condition.

Accept what? That people do not need to be ashamed or feel guilty if Jesus can help them?

I haven’t advocated shame or mentioned the word at all.

I do not "administer deliverance", Jesus can set people free of things, it happens. As occurred in the Biblical example of Legion. Simple.
I do not do any of it, I just happen to be convinced it can be done.

You are welcome to beliefs as long as they remain within the proper jurisdiction and don’t impede on someone’s health.

~bella

 

[Carl Emerson]

You are welcome to beliefs as long as they remain within the proper jurisdiction and don’t impede on someone’s health.

~bella

Really - Jesus impeded on health - it was a central sign to evidence the coming Kingdom.

 

[Yarddog]

Folks can have serious academic ability but struggle to meet deadlines, pass exams, and frustrating them from walking in the God given talents they have been given.

You don't need academic success, etc... to walk with God.

 

[Yarddog]

You have said it takes concentration to get several degrees.

Yep

Then you say living a faithful Godly life doesn't take concentration.

Nope

Are we to assume the Godly don't need to concentrate to pass degrees ?

Why?

 

[bèlla]

Really - Jesus impeded on health - it was a central sign to evidence the coming Kingdom.

That wasn’t the point of my comment.

Christians can’t interfere with anyone’s medical treatment beyond their loved ones in most places. Their beliefs don’t give them the right to administer service without authorization or consent.

~bella

 

[Carl Emerson]

You don't need academic success, etc... to walk with God.

Correct - but some are called to it and gifted for it.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Yep

Nope

Why?

You disagreed with your own statement.

Yarddog said:
There is medicine to help those with ADHD to live fairly normal lives. My nephew has ADHD and is an Engineer with several degrees. That takes concentration.

Living a faithful Godly life doesn't take a lot of concentration.

 

[RamiC]

The bible does not address the origin of the demoniac’s condition.

That was exactly my point. There is no reason to think that Legion's own sin was anything to do with his suffering, he may have been the subject of someone else's sin, as people often are today. Jesus will still help, no need for shame.

I haven’t advocated shame or mentioned the word at all.

No, I posted some questions about Mark 5 1-13 in order to dispute the idea that suggesting healing or deliverance from Jesus amounted to shaming people into avoiding medical care. You interjected at that point, which is fine.

You are welcome to beliefs as long as they remain within the proper jurisdiction and don’t impede on someone’s health.

I believe it is not your place to decide what I am welcome to believe, thank you.

I would say this point is more important when Doctors who are trusted by their patients and the society in which they live start harming people's health with opinion and beliefs.

 

[RamiC]

Christians can’t interfere with anyone’s medical treatment beyond their loved ones in most places.

Christians should not be be interfering with anyone's medical treatment, even if they are their loved one's.

Their beliefs don’t give them the right to administer service without authorization or consent.

Again, so much more important if only Dr's would comply with this.

No one in this thread is administering anything as far as I can see, it is just an exchange of thoughts called a conversation.

 

[RamiC]

You're leaving out important context. First, there's the suggestion that this is all a big money grab:

If that is the bill where the OP lives, it is the bill. It does not accuse anyone of anything, except charging people that price.

Then there's the implication that ADHD has a spiritual cause:

Everything has a spiritual cause.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters." Genesis 1-2

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. " John 1-2 NIV.

Although I believe the OP was actually intending to include other conditions, it is in the thread title with the ..."and such?"

Then there's the suggestion that treatment is purely pharmacological:

From Psychiatrists, where I live it is, at least almost all. Unless they go for ECT...

It's not. Therapists don't prescribe medicine at all. You need an MD for that.

The OP does not mention Therapists at all.

On it's own, "You should pray" is fine. When it becomes a problem is when it's paired with the implication that professional medical help is an ineffective scam.

I will have my opinion that some (often mental health care) "proffessional medical help" is of limited efficacy, open to causing harm, and that inadequate scientific or objective support to explain their practices is a large part of the problem. I will continue to have doubts that large pharmeceutical companies can be trusted to always put the welfare of the patients first (btw I do not blame the Dr's for that problem).

I will continue to know that I and my loved ones have been harmed by this situation, and to believe that Jesus Christ can and will help the suffering. "Psyche" means mind, or spirit, to a Christian, that does involve Jesus Christ.

 

[Carl Emerson]

That wasn’t the point of my comment.

Christians can’t interfere with anyone’s medical treatment beyond their loved ones in most places. Their beliefs don’t give them the right to administer service without authorization or consent.

~bella

Christians often pray for folks they have learned are sick whether they have met them or not.

Maybe I misunderstood your point.... ???

 

[Gregory Thompson]

I recall when I was younger and had way more patience.

Since the development of these digital technologies, my inner lament of having to watch a video that is more-than-five-minutes .. is evidence.

But one thing I learned from this.

Though discovering that I have no patience, I have learned to "exercise patience."

So perhaps exercises of a similar nature and prayer can be helpful in the day to day.

Psychological things can be quite complex, so having more than one way to deal with them is more effective than just one thing.

 

[Yarddog]

Correct - but some are called to it and gifted for it.

And having ADHD has nothing to do with it.

 

[Yarddog]

You disagreed with your own statement.

Yarddog said:
There is medicine to help those with ADHD to live fairly normal lives. My nephew has ADHD and is an Engineer with several degrees. That takes concentration.

Living a faithful Godly life doesn't take a lot of concentration.

No. I don't know how you confuse a statement about engineering with living Godly lives.