Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Benaiah468]

The latest stunt by former environmental icon and current "Palestinian" activist Greta Thunberg is over. The first thing that happened when the ships of the self-appointed aid flotilla were stopped was that the activists (there were more than 200) threw their mobile phones into the sea.

Smartphones are full of heavy metals such as lead, mercury and cadmium. These components are harmful to the ocean and marine life.

According to Italian media reports, the Gaza activists followed a strictly defined protocol designed to cover their tracks in terms of supporters and financial backers. Participants in the fleet of dozens of sailing ships were instructed to destroy their mobile phones in the event of boarding by the Israeli military!

This is consistent with the Israeli government's publication of documents proving Hamas' involvement in the alleged aid operation. The details point to a connection between the Gaza aid flotilla and dubious financiers and structures of the terrorist organisation Hamas:

A letter from 2021 signed by Ismail Haniyeh, then head of Hamas' political bureau. In it, Haniyeh addresses the chairman of the "Palestinian Conference for Palestinians Abroad" (PCPA), a body that acts as Hamas' foreign leadership, although it outwardly pretends to be a civilian organisation. In this document, Haniyeh explicitly calls for “unity of the ranks” and gives his public approval to the PCPA.

Another document lists leading PCPA activists by name, including Zaher Birawi, who has been a key figure behind the Gaza flotillas for over 15 years. Birawi is based in the UK and is considered a long-time propagandist for Hamas in the West. Also mentioned is Saif Abu Kishk, an official in Spain who is also the CEO of a company called “Cyber Neptune.” This civilian-sounding umbrella organization holds the ownership rights to numerous ships that have set course for Gaza. The company acts as a front company to conceal property linked to Hamas. This makes it clear that the boats of the so-called “Freedom Flotilla” are in fact owned by Hamas.

At the same time, the organizers attempted to portray the operation as an international protection convoy, accompanied by European and Turkish forces. In Israel, this is seen as a deliberate staging to create the image of a “humanitarian aid convoy.”

The published documents make one thing abundantly clear: these are not spontaneous solidarity trips by idealistic activists, but part of an international terrorist infrastructure operating on behalf of and with the approval of Hamas.

‘Self-obsessed, moronic Israel hater’: Dark underside of Greta's Gaza mission exposed.

 

[Benaiah468]

The US has promised Qatar an unprecedented guarantee of protection. President Trump has declared that any future attacks on the emirate would be considered a threat to the US itself. This gives the rulers in Doha a security guarantee that was previously reserved for NATO countries.

The US guarantee may be realpolitik from Washington's point of view. But it applies to a country that has been closely linked to Hamas for years. Doha is home to the terrorist organization's political office, high-ranking Hamas officials live there undisturbed, and billions of dollars from Qatar regularly flow into the Gaza Strip, officially as “humanitarian aid,” but in fact a crucial source of funding for Hamas.

While Israel bears the consequences for every rocket fired from Gaza, Trump is now guaranteeing statehood protection for the very country that courts this terrorist organization. This is more than just a diplomatic balancing act, it is a contradiction that is hard to overlook.

This is a bitter pill for Jerusalem to swallow. On the one hand, Israel needs the US as its strongest ally. On the other hand, it sees Washington backing a country that has been playing a double game for years, on the one hand acting as a mediator, on the other hand providing sanctuary for an organization that carried out massacres on Oct 7 and whose declared policy remains the destruction of Israel.

History will show whether this step will bring peace or whether it will simply give new weight to an old problem: that Hamas is not being persecuted in Doha, but is welcome there.

 

[Vanellus]

Vanellus said: "The Freedom Flotilla Coalition maintained that its mission is lawful and that it aims to deliver aid"

Given the amount of time Benaiah468 devotes to writing so many words in this thread I really think he should be able to find away that explained that I didn't "say" this - this was part of a quote from a South African newspaper which I included in my post. As it stands Benaiah468's statement above is false and deceptive. That doesn't mean the quoted statement isn't true but its attribution to me personally is false and deceptive.

There is no reason to regard Giorgia Meloni as any kind of expert or unbiased commentator in this. Her party is too right wing for the granddaughter of Mussolini!

Meloni too right wing for Mussolini’s kin

Meloni’s party has its roots in Italy’s post-World War II neo-fascist movement, and despite her efforts to present it as a mainstream conservative group, she has adopted hardline policies on immigration, abortion, and same-sex parenting, Reuters reported. Italy did not pursue a post-war denazification campaign like Germany did, and the country “has never truly come to terms with its [fascist] past,” an Italian journalist told the BBC.

So not the best person for a supporter of Israel to be quoting.

The flotilla members were kidnapped in international waters. This is clearly unlawful according to the Law of the Sea. Attempts at justification are just pointless hot air.

 

[Hentenza]

Vanellus said: "The Freedom Flotilla Coalition maintained that its mission is lawful and that it aims to deliver aid"

Given the amount of time Benaiah468 devotes to writing so many words in this thread I really think he should be able to find away that explained that I didn't "say" this - this was part of a quote from a South African newspaper which I included in my post. As it stands Benaiah468's statement above is false and deceptive. That doesn't mean the quoted statement isn't true but its attribution to me personally is false and deceptive.

There is no reason to regard Giorgia Meloni as any kind of expert or unbiased commentator in this. Her party is too right wing for the granddaughter of Mussolini!

Meloni too right wing for Mussolini’s kin


So not the best person for a supporter of Israel to be quoting.

The flotilla members were kidnapped in international waters. This is clearly unlawful according to the Law of the Sea. Attempts at justification are just pointless hot air.

When you can’t defeat them just throw mud at them. Yeah that’s logical.

 

[Pommer]

Given the amount of time Benaiah468 devotes to writing so many words in this thread I really think he should be able to find away that explained that I didn't "say" this - this was part of a quote from a South African newspaper which I included in my post.

This is my only ignored account. They’re probably just killing time like the rest of us and aren’t a professional social media presence, at all.

 

[Vanellus]

This is my only ignored account. They’re probably just killing time like the rest of us and aren’t a professional social media presence, at all.

Good advice.