AND HOW CHRIST FORMED THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

[Aristarkos]

Being born again, being born from above and born of water and spirit are the same thing seeing from a different angle. In John 3:3 it states "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God", in John 3:5 the lord says it in other words to explain it to Cornelius: "Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Please note John never talks about the kingdom of heaven, only about the kingdom of God. These two are not the same. The kingdom of heaven is the earthly rain of Israel with Christ as King, when the Lord returns, the kingdom of God contains heaven and earth. Hence the double promises to Abraham.


No it is not salvation by itself, it is the first step on the way of salvation which has multiple steps as I mentioned in my previous answer.


No that is also not salvation by itself, it is the last step on the way of salvation. Like a school has classes in which students have to learn to go to a higher class, so is Scripture a study where we can rise to a "higher" class. Please note, it is all grace, nothing from ourselves.

Aristarkos

Of course I mean Nicodemus...

 

[Dan Perez]

Being born again, being born from above and born of water and spirit are the same thing seeing from a different angle. In John 3:3 it states "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God", in John 3:5 the lord says it in other words to explain it to Cornelius: "Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." Please note John never talks about the kingdom of heaven, only about the kingdom of God. These two are not the same. The kingdom of heaven is the earthly rain of Israel with Christ as King, when the Lord returns, the kingdom of God contains heaven and earth. Hence the double promises to Abraham.


No it is not salvation by itself, it is the first step on the way of salvation which has multiple steps as I mentioned in my previous answer.


No that is also not salvation by itself, it is the last step on the way of salvation. Like a school has classes in which students have to learn to go to a higher class, so is Scripture a study where we can rise to a "higher" class. Please note, it is all grace, nothing from ourselves.

Aristarkos

And even on this forum there are some saying THAT BEING BORN. is the only to be saved and can never say how they are BORN AGAIN. ??
They use John 3:3 and when just them to explain. what John. 3 :5 , to. be BORN. OF WATER. and. the SPIRIT, will. not explain. !!

Give it a shot if you want , as I know my onions. !!

AND WAS in. the KINGOM of HEAVEN in Matt 11:12 !!

dan p

 

[Dan Perez]

That seems to be another misinterpretation, if only Israel will be born again — are you implicating non is as of now? — there are no gentile believers in our Lord Christ Jesus, because as I stated above you have to be born again to be able to believe that Jesus is the Christ.

There are four groups, not three:
1. Unbelievers
2. Children of God
3. Sons of God
4. Those who come to the body of Christ.

Except for #1 it is all a matter of faith, talking about millionaires doesn't make you a millionaire.

Aristarkos

It does seem to me The iSRAEL AND jUDAH are yet to be BORN. AGAIN. until the BODY of Christ has been caught up to be

withChrist in 1 Thess 4:13-17. and 2. Thess 2:1-8. !! and this why I AM , DISPENSATIONAL and PRE-TRI. and PRE-MIL. !!

dan p

 

[Aristarkos]

It does seem to me The iSRAEL AND jUDAH are yet BORN. AGAIN. until the BODY of Christ has been caught up to be

withChrist in 1 Thess 4:13-17. and 2. Thess 2:1-8. !! and this why I AM , DISPENSATIONAL and PRE-TRI. and PRE-MIL. !!

dan p

Mixing up the groups in Scripture is what stops our spiritual growth. As I explained before, you cannot project to a group that wasn't even known. The Thessalonian letters are written for the church of God, those are the sons of God consisting of Jews and gentiles. They will inherit the heavens and the earth as promised to Abraham. God promised the land (as sand on the shores of the sea) and the world (as the stars of heaven) Gen. 22:17.

THE body of Christ is nowhere mentioned in Scripture before Ephesians. "The" body of Thessalonians, Romans and Corinthians has apostles as a head, THE body of Christ has only Christ as a head. In the Greek the word "the" is only used in Ephesians in connection to body of Christ.

The fact this is not seen is the reason the everything-is-the-same theology was invented.

The Body of Corinthians is not called the Body of Christ, but: Body of Christ. This term only occurs in 1 Cor. 12:27: You are Body of Christ (Greek). As it is said, that the woman is body of the man, because both are a unity, but she is not yet the body of the man, that group is called: Body of Christ, not: the Body of Christ. This term: the Body of Christ we find in Eph. 4:12 we find the Body in Eph. 4:16, 5:23, His Body in Eph. 1:23; 5:30, one Body in Eph. 2:16, 4:4; fellow-body (sussomos) in Ef. 3:6, the whole Body in Eph. 4:16, together 9 times.

The Body of Corinthians is a group for the heavens, it gets to dwell in the house of the Father, is like the stars of heaven, Gen. 15:5, is blessed by Christ with the faithful Abraham, Gal. 3:9, is Abraham's spiritual seed, Gal. 3:29, belongs to the Jerusalem that is Above, Gal. 4:26, it goes to meet the Lord in the air, 1 Thess. 4:13 — 17, becomes the heir of the world, 1 Cor. 6:2, Rom. 4:13. For this group are written the Letters to the Thess., Cor., Gal., Rom. and Hebrews.

The Body of Ephesians has its position in the over-heavenly, source text of Eph. 1:3, 20; 2:6; 3:10; 6:12, over above all things, source text Eph. 1:21. It has a calling for Above, source text Php. 3:14. For this chosen group is, Eph., Col., Php., Philemon, and 2 Tim. written. (As input and preparation for it, Titus and 1 Tim.).

In the Body of Corinthians are signs and gifts. 9 are mentioned, which are canceled, not because of no longer being necessary or of forfeiting them, but because God did the perfect come. It, had blessings for the earth. In the Body of Ephesians are no gifts. They are completely absent as a body. It only receives spiritual blessings, in Christ, in the over-heavenly, Eph. 1:3.

In the Body of Corinthians there is guidance by Spiritual gifts, by revelations, prophecies, etc. 1 Cor. 12, Gal. 2, in the Body of Ephesians there is Spiritual Guidance, being filled with the word of Christ, Col. 3:16, a speaking of the mystery of Christ, Col. 4:3. The rightly dividing of the Word and the contact through the Spirit with God are the highest gifts for this group. The Body of Corinthians belongs to the sphere in which two dispensations run parallel, namely the Pentecostal dispensation for Israel and the dispensation of justification for all who see in Christ the end of the law and the Seed of Abraham; see, 2 Cor. 3, Rom. 10:4, Gal. 3:16. It finds its good tidings in the gospel of God.

The Body of Ephesians belongs to the dispensation of the mystery. It finds its ministry in the gospel of the grace of God, Eph. 3:2 introduced by the gospel of the glory of Christ, 2 Cor. 4:4.

The Body of Corinthians is the elaboration of the counsel of God, Acts 20:27. This includes the world of mankind. The Body of Ephesians is elaboration of the purpose of the aions (KJV = eternal purpose, Eph. 3:11). This purpose spans all the aions.

The Body of Corinthians waits for the day of the Lord, for the revelation of Christ, 1 Cor. 1:7, 1 Thess. 4:13 — 17, 2 Thess. 2. It can only arise again when Israel comes to expect the return of the Lord in its land, so the hope of Israel becomes alive again, for the taking up to meet the Lord is part of the Lord's return.

The Body of Ephesians expect to fellow-sit in the over-heavenly, Eph. 2:6. This is done in the day of Christ, Phil. 1:6, 10, 2:16. For the prize winners has the hope, the being with Christ, already been realized by the (Greek) out-resurrection, Phil. 3:11 (KJV: resurrection). That is becoming disbanded (released from the grave) and being with Christ.

I posted 2500 posts on bibleforums.org mostly about this subject and you were there at that time.

Aristarkos

 

[Aaron112]

the kingdom of heaven, only about the kingdom of God. These two are not the same.

"the two terms are sometimes seen as interchangeable in the New Testament, as Jesus uses them synonymously in passages like Matthew 19–24, where "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God" are used in close succession without distinction."

 

[Aristarkos]

"the two terms are sometimes seen as interchangeable in the New Testament, as Jesus uses them synonymously in passages like Matthew 19–24, where "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God" are used in close succession without distinction."

There is distinction, see it as two circles of different size. The smaller circle (kingdom of heaven) lies within the larger circle (kingdom of God). It is the difference between child of God and Son of God. See the two different promises made to Abraham in Gen. 22:17.

Aristarkos

 

[Aaron112]

The so-called distinction is not a revelation from God nor from heaven. Merely from a human perspective that is not in harmony with God's Word. There is likely much more that may be found, God Willing, but is man willing ? (to seek truth)

 

[Dan Perez]

There is distinction, see it as two circles of different size. The smaller circle (kingdom of heaven) lies within the larger circle (kingdom of God). It is the difference between child of God and Son of God. See the two different promises made to Abraham in Gen. 22:17.

Aristarkos

AND POST #26 reply. is good. on. Matt 19:23 and 24.

dan p

 

[Aaron112]

Where. am. I wrong , . with your thoughts ??

What then is your motive for posting messages so strangely , so oddly ? Not clear at all.

 

[Dan Perez]

What then is your motive for posting messages so strangely , so oddly ? Not clear at all.

And funny. that you say that and I am always thinking the same things and when. I post , most. of the time I do post the word and the Greek. word and say what the tense , case is and all can at lest see that. I. am not ADDING. or TAKING. out words from the text !!
And there are some OP that are so LONG I lose track of and at least with me anyone can. see that I at lest number. and can ask. what IT MEANS , and it just means I lost another reader , SORRY !!

dan p

 

[Marilyn C]

"the two terms are sometimes seen as interchangeable in the New Testament, as Jesus uses them synonymously in passages like Matthew 19–24, where "kingdom of heaven" and "kingdom of God" are used in close succession without distinction."

Yes, however the kingdom rule of heaven through Israel over the nations is a subset of the greater kingdom rule of God which is over all.

The phrase `the kingdom of heaven,` is from the prophet Daniel. Jesus came to Israel to confirm the promises made to the Fathers..` (Rom. 15: 8)
Thus we see Jesus using that term `the kingdom of heaven.` The prophet Daniel (Dan. 2: 44) gives the full picture - `the God of heaven will set up a kingdom (rule) which shall not be destroyed.` Jesus just shortened that to the kingdom (rule) of heaven.

And then Jesus gives Israel many parables concerning that rulership when the God of Heaven would set up a kingdom rule through them - in the millennium. The Matthew 13 parables are very insightful. Jesus refers in each back to the prophets concerning that promise of rulership by God through Israel.