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AND HOW CHRIST FORMED THE BODY OF CHRIST !!

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And know how and when who. was saved FIRST saved by Grace in Acts 9:5. and 6. and 1 Tim 1: 15 and 16 and says ,

that in ME and the word ME // IS EMPHATIC , which means ME , Paul and only ME am FRST , PERIOD ,

And here is when the BODY of CHRIST BEGUN. in Eph 2:15. !!

# 1 HAVING ABOLISHED. // KATAGEO , is. I the AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE. , a PARTICILE , is. a. NOMINATIVE CASE

in. the SINGULAR.

# 2. IN // EN , is. a PERPOSTION

# 3. HIS // AUTO , is. a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN , in the GENITIVE CASE , in. the GENITIVE CASE , in. the Singular

# 4. FLESH //. SARX , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 5 THE // HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the Singular

# 6 ENMITY //. ECHTHRA , is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the Signular

# 7. EVEN // ECHTHRA. , is a ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

# 8 THE // HO , is a DEFINITE ARTICLE. , inv. the SINGULAR

# 9. LAW //. NOMOS. , is ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 10 OF COMMANDMENTS // ENTOLE. , IS. A GENTIVE CASE , in. the PLURAL

# 11 CONTAINED was added

# 12 IN // EN , is a PREPOSITION

# 13 ORDINANCE // DOGME , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the Plural. and in. the NEUTER

# 14. FOR TO // is a CONJUNCTION

# 15. MAKE // KTIZO , is a AORIST TENSE , in. the ACTIVE VOICE , in. the Singular

# 16 IN //. EN is a PREPOSITION

# 17 HIMSELF // HEAUTOU , is a REFEXIVE PRONOUN , in. the DATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 18. OF TWO // DYO

# 19 ONE // HEIS , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the Singular

# 20 NEW // KAIHOS , in the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 21 MAN // ANTHROPOS. , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 22 MAKING // POIEO. . is in. the PRESENT TENSE . IN. THE ACTIVE VOICE , is. a PARICIPLE , is a NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SINGULAR

# 22 PEACE // EIRENE , in. the ACCUSATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNULAR

AND Gal 3:28 is my backup verse , as Christ shows how he made the BODY of Christ !!

And if anyone is not in that BODY , then are you saved ??

Water Baptism was for Israel

Born Again is also for Israel

Born of God was for Israel

Tongues was for Israel

What say you. ??

Where. am. I wrong , . with your thoughts ??

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Water Baptism was for Israel
Correct, it was a continuation of the ritual Jewish washings, that's why the Jews were not surprised by it.
Born Again is also for Israel

Born of God was for Israel
These are the same, and is not only for Israel as is proven by this text: "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..." 1 John 5:1. Otherwise no gentile would believe in Christ.
Tongues was for Israel
"Tongues" was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which was given to Cornelius (and others) who is a gentile. It surprised the Jews when they heard the gentiles speak with tongues: Acts 11:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God..."

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Correct, it was a continuation of the ritual Jewish washings, that's why the Jews were not surprised by it.

These are the same, and is not only for Israel as is proven by this text: "Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God..." 1 John 5:1. Otherwise no gentile would believe in Christ.

"Tongues" was one of the gifts of the Holy Spirit, which was given to Cornelius (and others) who is a gentile. It surprised the Jews when they heard the gentiles speak with tongues: Acts 11:45 And they of the circumcision which believed were astonished, as many as came with Peter, because that on the Gentiles also was poured out the gift of the Holy Ghost. 46 For they heard them speak with tongues, and magnify God..."

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And you meant Acts 10:45. and since WATER BAPTISM was still being practiced and in verse 44 and 45. the. HOLY SPIRIT

FELL UPON THEM. , and when was the last time you saw that happen , some 2000 years ago. !!

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And know how and when who. was saved FIRST saved by Grace in Acts 9:5. and 6. and 1 Tim 1: 15 and 16 and says ,
Hi Dan,

The word is actually `chief.` `...Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.` (1 Tim. 15)

Note that Barnabas and others were in the body before Paul. Barabas was an Apostle. (Acts 14: 14) And it was Barnabas who mentored Paul. (Acts 9: 27)
 
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Hi Dan,

The word is actually `chief.` `...Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief.` (1 Tim. 15)

Note that Barnabas and others were in the body before Paul. Barabas was an Apostle. (Acts 14: 14) And it was Barnabas who mentored Paul. (Acts 9: 27)
And I Tim 1:15 the KJV translated it CHIEF. // PROTOS. in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNUALR

G4413. and First was used 84 times and Chief. was used 9. times , FIRST was used 2 times. , FORMER used 2 times

And 1 Tim. 1:16. , ME //. EMOI. , is. a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN , in. the Dative Case. , in. the SINGULAR

And the Greek , ME // EMOI. is EMPHATIC. which means ME and no one ELSE. !!

G 4413. , ME. , is used 86 times , and MIND. is used 6 times , and MY. is used 1 time

AND READING 1 Tim 1: 16 says THAT IN ME FIRST , THAT PAUL WAS A PATTERN. of the ONES. COMING. TO BELIEVE. ON

HIM. UNTO EVERLASTING LIFE.

I reat my case. !!

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And I Tim 1:15 the KJV translated it CHIEF. // PROTOS. in the NOMINATIVE CASE , in. the SIGNUALR

G4413. and First was used 84 times and Chief. was used 9. times , FIRST was used 2 times. , FORMER used 2 times

And 1 Tim. 1:16. , ME //. EMOI. , is. a PERSONAL POSSESSETIVE PRONOUN , in. the Dative Case. , in. the SINGULAR

And the Greek , ME // EMOI. is EMPHATIC. which means ME and no one ELSE. !!

G 4413. , ME. , is used 86 times , and MIND. is used 6 times , and MY. is used 1 time

AND READING 1 Tim 1: 16 says THAT IN ME FIRST , THAT PAUL WAS A PATTERN. of the ONES. COMING. TO BELIEVE. ON

HIM. UNTO EVERLASTING LIFE.

I reat my case. !!

dan p
Yes, a good pattern that God saves from the uttermost to the uttermost.

However, you have not addressed `Barnabas, the apostle in Christ before Paul.
 
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Yes, a good pattern that God saves from the uttermost to the uttermost.

However, you have not addressed `Barnabas, the apostle in Christ before Paul.
AND the definition of what and APOSTLE means is a MESSANGER. and there. were of them. and not just Barnabas as. all

how. that. are 12 to judge the 12 tribes of Israel and sit on. 12 thrones in. the Millennial Kingdom. !!

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AND the definition of what and APOSTLE means is a MESSANGER. and there. were of them. and not just Barnabas as. all

how. that. are 12 to judge the 12 tribes of Israel and sit on. 12 thrones in. the Millennial Kingdom. !!

dan p
Hi dan,

Yes, there were many apostles given by the Lord when He ascended to the Father.

As to the 12 apostles of the Lamb, they are for Israel as we know and not for the Body of Christ. They will rule in the New Jerusalem over the new earth and in the new heavens. (Rev. 21: 14)
 
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