Israel is losing Americans (support)

[Fantine]

Has anyone ever addsressed why we are helping a country (Israel) whose citizens have free health care and university educations while we are taking health care away from 15 million, doubling the cost for another 20 million, and have burdensome student loans?
My niece went to the "loan burning" party last weekend....the graduate was 45 years old--it took him 20 years to pay off his student loans.

 

[Desk trauma]

Has anyone ever addsressed why we are helping a country (Israel) whose citizens have free health care and university educations while we are taking health care away from 15 million, doubling the cost for another 20 million, and have burdensome student loans?

Because not doing so is antisemitism, clearly.

 

[DaisyDay]

Can you name a leader from Gaza who the Trump administration could involve in peace talks?

Wouldn't that be for them, the Gazans, to determine?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Wouldn't that be for them, the Gazans, to determine?

Can Gaza residents select their own representatives for international affairs without Hamas approval? In Gaza, even basic actions like opening a clinic require Hamas's permission. Would Hamas allow locals to negotiate peace with the US and Israel? You're not suggesting the Trump administration negotiate with Hamas, are you?

 

[DaisyDay]

Can Gaza residents select their own representatives for international affairs without Hamas approval? In Gaza, even basic actions like opening a clinic require Hamas's permission. Would Hamas allow locals to negotiate peace with the US and Israel? You're not suggesting the Trump administration negotiate with Hamas, are you?

Since you've already determined the answers, the questions are merely rhetorical.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

Since you've already determined the answers, the questions are merely rhetorical.

I didn't choose the answer; it's inevitable. Only Hamas can represent Gaza—anyone else faces physical threats if they try from Hamas.

 

[DaisyDay]

I didn't choose the answer; it's inevitable. Only Hamas can represent Gaza—anyone else faces physical threats if they try from Hamas.

No one said that you chose the answer, but that you had already determined what it was before you asked the "question".

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

No one said that you chose the answer, but that you had already determined what it was before you asked the "question".

Let me ask the question again: Can you identify a leader from Gaza who can represent its population?

 

[BCP1928]

Let me ask the question again: Can you identify a leader from Gaza who can represent its population?

That would be up to the Gazans

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

That would be up to the Gazans

Do you believe Hamas will let Gaza's citizens freely choose their leader?

 

[BCP1928]

Do you believe Hamas will let Gaza's citizens freely choose their leader?

Who knows? Right now the negotiations are to end the fighting. Traditionally, it's the war leaders who enter those negotiations, whether the people support them or not is a different question, which can't be settled until after the fighting stops.

 

[DaisyDay]

Let me ask the question again: Can you identify a leader from Gaza who can represent its population?

No, I think the Gazans should chose their own leader. It would be beyond presumptuous for me to try.

Is it your position that the Gazans cannot choose anyone because anyone they choose will necessarily be either Hamas or Hamas-approved and the US and Israel cannot negotiate with anyone Hamas-adjacent?

 

[BCP1928]

At this point it would probably be be Mohammed Darwish, who is chaiman of the Ruling Council, and Izz al-Haddad, military commander in Gaza.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

No, I think the Gazans should chose their own leader. It would be beyond presumptuous for me to try.

Is it your position that the Gazans cannot choose anyone because anyone they choose will necessarily be either Hamas or Hamas-approved and the US and Israel cannot negotiate with anyone Hamas-adjacent?

If you believe Palestinian citizens can elect leaders without Hamas's influence, you may not understand Gaza's political situation, so further debate is unproductive.

Have a nice day.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

At this point it would probably be be Mohammed Darwish, who is chaiman of the Ruling Council, and Izz al-Haddad, military commander in Gaza.

He is a Hamas member. Gaza's leadership is exclusively Hamas, which does not permit any non-member to lead.

 

[DaisyDay]

If you believe Palestinian citizens can elect leaders without Hamas's influence, you may not understand Gaza's political situation, so further debate is unproductive.

Have a nice day.

I answered your questions in good faith but you declined to answer mine. Obviously that kind of "debate" or even polite conversation is at an end.

It seems clear that you think that "peace talks" excluding the actual people and their representatives is fine.