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Long Waits, Waves of Calls, Web Crashes: Social Security is Breaking Down [ETA: call wait times no longer reported publicly]

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The Social Security Administration — already reeling from plunging customer service following a rapid downsizing under the Trump administration — is drafting plans to begin layoffs of potentially thousands more employees as soon as next week.

DOGE determined that the 7,000 jobs eliminated since February under acting commissioner Leland Dudek through early retirements, buyouts, resignations and firings were not enough, the officials said.
 
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Just and observation.
I have two family members that work for the Federal Government. Both still have to fill out the 5 bullet points of what they did for the week.
Once sent, a lot of them are still coming back undelivered. They are being told to print it out and keep it as proof. Both seem to think it's not about understanding their efficiency, it's about purposely making them to jump through hoops and quit in frustration.
 
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Untested new software installed by DOGE employees crashing Social Security servers: report

As the Post's Lisa Rein, Hannah Natanson and Elizabeth Dwoskin are reporting, "Even when the site is back online, many customers have not been able to sign in to their accounts — or have logged in only to find information missing. For others, access to the system has been slow, requiring repeated tries to get in."

On Monday the Post is reporting that massive panic set in last week after "many of the 7.4 million adults and children receiving monthly benefits under the anti-poverty program known as Supplemental Security Income, or SSI" were alerted they were "currently not receiving payments,” according to internal documents.
 
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‘It’s a shambles’: DOGE cuts bring chaos, long waits at Social Security for seniors

When Veronica Sanchez called a Social Security hotline Thursday, she waited two hours before her call was abruptly disconnected.

On Friday, she was on hold for six hours and still did not get through to anyone.

For Sanchez, the stakes are high: If she does not obtain a medical letter from the agency by April 15, her parents, who are on a fixed income, risk losing about $2,500 a month in medical care. They would no longer receive insulin medication for their diabetes, she said, and could lose their daily visit from a nurse.

But even if Sanchez shows up in person, she is not likely to speak to an agent. Field offices are no longer accepting walk-in appointments.

Andrew Taylor, 55, threw his hands up in the air Monday morning as he walked out of the Social Security office on Wilshire Boulevard.

“Everything is by appointment now,” a federal employee told a small group of people lined up on the sidewalk.

Social Security employees handed out a flier with a phone number and a QR code that people could scan with their phones to make an appointment. But the website kept returning an error message.

At a Los Angeles Social Security office on Crenshaw Boulevard, security guards did not allow anyone inside the building Monday without an appointment. A woman leaning on a walker approached the doors after getting out of her Uber. “We don’t have anything for you here right now,” the guard said. Her caretaker directed her back into the parking lot to call for another rideshare driver.

Elderly and disabled people — and those who care for them — are encountering a knot of bureaucratic hurdles and service disruptions after the Trump administration imposed a sweeping overhaul of the Social Security Administration system.

Last week, a coalition of advocacy groups, including the American Assn. of People with Disabilities, filed a federal lawsuit against the Social Security Administration, Acting Commissioner Leland Dudek, and Musk. It alleged that the agency overhaul “severely undermined” services and caused “significant and irreparable harm.”

[AAPD prez sez it's not just people trying to enroll...] People already connected to the system who needed support were also having trouble appealing benefits decisions or accessing medical services.

“You can’t get anyone on the phone,” she said.

The Social Security Administration did not respond to The Times’ requests for comment on the problems elderly and disabled people reported accessing services. The agency’s press office acknowledged in a string of posts on X that telephone wait times were too long and its website had faced challenges, but said the issues “predate the current Administration.”
 
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Social Security wait times were already long under Biden. They're even longer under Trump.

Could it be that they've fired a bunch of people who used to answer the phones? No!

When asked for an interview to discuss customer service delays and long wait times, a spokesperson provided a statement from Acting Commissioner of Social Security Lee Dudek, blaming former President Joe Biden, the agency's prior work-from-home policy and "advancing radical DEI and gender ideology over improving service for all Americans."

"The result was long wait times for customer service, unconscionable delays for benefit decisions, and insufficient stewardship of Americans’ hard-earned benefits," Dudek said in the statement. [Did Dudek add even more gender ideology to make the call times longer?]

"With our dedicated employees now leading the way, SSA will deliver on President Trump’s promise to protect Social Security by providing the high-quality service and stewardship that the American people expect and deserve."

Hold times on the 1-800 number were averaged 1 hour under the Biden administration and are now up to 90 minutes per call, Social Security Administration data shows. The wait times when USA TODAY placed calls to the 1-800 number over the past week ranged from 90 minutes to 150 minutes. Several times the line disconnected without reaching a live person.
 
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It is true the market does crash, but over the long haul, stocks do perform far better and the money would average in both good and bad years. Quite a few nations have sovereign wealth funds, that invest social security dollars in both bonds and stocks. USA state pensions plans may do this too. Calper's (California's system earned 9.3% last year). Investments | CalPERS I think the reason it is not done in the USA, is because the government would have to give up that money to let people invest it. You are right though about IRA's though I think there are many especially lower income Americans that have no private accounts.
Because we don't want to give the money to Wall Street, that's why. I own stocks, but some of my money is in secure savings, too--just in case; The people who want to privatize social security should go back to selling aluminum siding.
 
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Social Security stops reporting call wait times and other metrics
The changes are the latest sign of the agency’s struggle with website crashes, overloaded servers and long lines at field offices amid Trump cutbacks.

Social Security has stopped publicly reporting its processing times for benefits, the 1-800 number’s current call wait time and numerous other performance metrics, which customers and advocates have used to track the agency’s struggling customer service programs.

The agency removed a menu of live phone and claims data from its website earlier this month, according to Internet Archive records. It put up a new page this week that offers a far more limited view of the agency’s customer service performance.

Among the performance metrics now withheld was a “live data” section with current call wait time, callback wait time, number of callers waiting on hold and the number of callers waiting on callback.
 
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Your call to a local Social Security office may be picked up by someone who can't help

Phone calls to local Social Security offices are currently being rerouted to other field offices — often to staff who don't have jurisdiction over the caller's case, employees say.

"All SSA field offices are equipped to handle inquiries and resolve issues for callers, irrespective of where a caller lives or where their case originated," the spokesperson said in a statement. "SSA staff across the country have access to the necessary systems and information to assist with a wide range of Social Security matters."

But Amber Westbrook, a local union chapter president and field office employee in the Chicago region, said that's just not how the system works.

"Our system is very specific to the office that we can do things in," she explained. "So I, physically, if another claim is open in another office, I cannot clear their case. It's just kind of the way that they retain that to make sure that things are accurate and complete."

Westbrook said workers in other field offices may be able to see what's going on with someone's case, but if they're in the wrong jurisdiction they can't "actually take care of the issue."
 
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Every year AAA sends me a new plastic-y card with my member number on it.
Social Security “cards” are paper “card-stock” and must not be laminated…because reasons.
The reason is that it was never supposed to be an ID, just a kind of memorandum with your Social Security number on it. Back in the old days when the program was begun conservatives were dead set against anything that smacked of being a national ID. In fact, up until 1972 "Not for identification purposes" was printed right on it.
 
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'Never seen it so bad': DOGE cuts have Social Security workers needing to be 'medicated'

According to a new report from the New York Times, the damage done to the Social Security Administration is extensive and deep, with offices woefully understaffed, calls going unanswered and remaining employees barely hanging on.

According to one employee working out of an understaffed office in the Midwest, “In my 24 years, I have never seen it so bad, to the point that a lot of us are medicated.”

The report added that people needing Social Security cards are facing waits of up to six weeks just for an appointment, and those who have questions about their payments are being left on hold.
 
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They really need to allow some of the funds to go into the stock market though. Had they been doing this over time, it would be a far larger surplus. But investing requires cash and instead the social security system just obtains special IOU's in the form of government debt.

I wish we had the option to forgo benefits and have our monies returned. I have zero faith in the ponzi scheme and can do a better job instead. Most of the people in my generation and the ones that follow have similar sentiments. We don’t want social security and would gladly pull out of other things if we could.

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I wish we had the option to forgo benefits and have our monies returned. I have zero faith in the ponzi scheme and can do a better job instead. Most of the people in my generation and the ones that follow have similar sentiments. We don’t want social security and would gladly pull out of other things if we could.

~bella
Yes, but what rate of return would they give? Currently all the social security excess funds are just taken by the Federal Government. They are not even honest enough to actually have anyone buy this debt on the market. Instead the government gives the Social Security Trust fund separate IOU's. They then give a pittance of interest based on an average of U.S. Treasuries and Bills, So 3% some years more and some less is what you earned. Often not even enough to keep up with inflation. Because the poor get a higher percentage back they likely benefit. Living a long time though works great for getting money back.
 
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Yes, but what rate of return would they give? Currently all the social security excess funds are just taken by the Federal Government. They are not even honest enough to actually have anyone buy this debt on the market. Instead the government gives the Social Security Trust fund separate IOU's. They then give a pittance of interest based on an average of U.S. Treasuries and Bills, So 3% some years more and some less is what you earned. Often not even enough to keep up with inflation. Because the poor get a higher percentage back they likely benefit. Living a long time though works great for getting money back.

We’d be better off with a designated tax rate (that’s lower and fixed ) in exchange for opting out with the requisite stacking. If we’re not using social security or medicare we should pay less.

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We’d be better off with a designated tax rate (that’s lower and fixed ) in exchange for opting out with the requisite stacking. If we’re not using social security or medicare we should pay less.

~bella
They can't let anyone out of social security because they need that money to pay the current benefits. Yes, a ponzi scheme as you said. Bush tried to opt out a small percentage and they could not even do that. The new pre-approvals will help cut medicare spending and perhaps denying care enough will push the death rate up for seniors?
 
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They can't let anyone out of social security because they need that money to pay the current benefits. Yes, a ponzi scheme as you said. Bush tried to opt out a small percentage and they could not even do that. The new pre-approvals will help cut medicare spending and perhaps denying care enough will push the death rate up for seniors?

It’s funny you mention that. I saw a clip yesterday from someone in another country and he mentioned several topics. I suspect he’s dug into white papers and WEF sessions too. I’m copying his comments from the piece.

*Post-Nation Governance (research this in Google)
*Ai not just assisting the government but being the government.

He said the EU has already passed laws for Ai oversight boards and the UN’s 2030 agenda speaks of automated monitoring of resources and populations. Defense departments are testing predictive governance models as we speak.

Then he mentioned the future and said. The real future is about reducing the human surplus without a single bullet fired. I want to show you something I found a few days ago. The last line isn’t typically included. It’s from Yuval Harari’s address at WEF.

“Harari then “predicted” that rapid advances in computing technology will “make humans redundant,” claiming that those who have been “replaced” by AI in the workforce will create a “massive class of useless people.” Globalists in the audience responded to his comments with laughter.”

Back to him. The system that’s being built makes it look like progress. In the old world, human were assets. More people meant more labor, more soldiers, more tax payers. But technology flipped the equation. When automation does the work, people become liabilities (see above). They consume resources and produce nothing.

From a corporate state perspective, they are dead weight on the balance sheet. What happens to liabilities in any system? They are minimized quietly and efficiently. Remember your question?

You don’t announce population reduction. You don’t draft policies that say it’s time to eliminate 800 million people. You design the environment so people self-select out of life. First, you control food economics. Make real nutrition a luxury. If you look on YouTube you’ll see videos titled food is the new status symbol (see #Erewhon or ErewhonTok).

Flood markets with synthetic hyper processed calories. Why? They’re cheap to make, addictive to consume and causes disease over time: obesity, diabetes, and cancer. It’s slow motion euthanasia disguised as personal choice. Then you privatize survival systems, hospitals, medicine, insurance. Turn health into a product and when the bill comes and you can’t pay nature takes its course. No violence. No fingerprints.

Meanwhile, you flood culture with distractions. War headlines, influencer drama, ideological cage matches so no one notices the algorithm who decides who drives and who quietly disappears. This isn’t genocide. It’s market driven selection. A corporate Darwinism where the unprofitable simply phase out and the punchline they don’t kill you. They invoice you until you die.

“The artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create “the useless class,” he said. When asked if his 2015 book provided any solutions, he responded: “At present, the best guess we have is to keep them [the useless class] happy with drugs and computer games. As he saw it, there were only two possibilities; both would result in a massive number of useless people. He said:

“One possibility is this creation of a new massive class of useless people. Another possibility is the division of humankind into different biological castes, with the rich being upgraded into virtual gods, and the poor being degraded to this level of useless people.” “As computers outperform humans in more and more tasks, they are likely to push them out of more and more jobs. And then the danger is that you will have millions of people even billions of people who don’t have any economic value and therefore they also don’t have any political power.”

……….

I believe we entered a new dimension or frequency in 2020 and the race to 2030 is related to survival. Much like the shows with similar themes they’re throwing things at us and watching our response. That‘s why I advised everyone to get a side hustle or start a business. This period is all about positioning in anticipation of the shift. Once social credit arrives you may be stuck in your caste.

A week ago on Fox someone mentioned the possibility of forcibly euthanizing the mentally. His comment wasn’t random and he meant it. And we’ll hear something about seniors, the poor and others taking up space. The world to come is for the few not the many. They’re telling you the same themselves.

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It’s funny you mention that. I saw a clip yesterday from someone in another country and he mentioned several topics. I suspect he’s dug into white papers and WEF sessions too. I’m copying his comments from the piece.

*Post-Nation Governance (research this in Google)
*Ai not just assisting the government but being the government.

He said the EU has already passed laws for Ai oversight boards and the UN’s 2030 agenda speaks of automated monitoring of resources and populations. Defense departments are testing predictive governance models as we speak.

Then he mentioned the future and said. The real future is about reducing the human surplus without a single bullet fired. I want to show you something I found a few days ago. The last line isn’t typically included. It’s from Yuval Harari’s address at WEF.

“Harari then “predicted” that rapid advances in computing technology will “make humans redundant,” claiming that those who have been “replaced” by AI in the workforce will create a “massive class of useless people.” Globalists in the audience responded to his comments with laughter.”

Back to him. The system that’s being built makes it look like progress. In the old world, human were assets. More people meant more labor, more soldiers, more tax payers. But technology flipped the equation. When automation does the work, people become liabilities (see above). They consume resources and produce nothing.

From a corporate state perspective, they are dead weight on the balance sheet. What happens to liabilities in any system? They are minimized quietly and efficiently. Remember your question?

You don’t announce population reduction. You don’t draft policies that say it’s time to eliminate 800 million people. You design the environment so people self-select out of life. First, you control food economics. Make real nutrition a luxury. If you look on YouTube you’ll see videos titled food is the new status symbol (see #Erewhon or ErewhonTok).

Flood markets with synthetic hyper processed calories. Why? They’re cheap to make, addictive to consume and causes disease over time: obesity, diabetes, and cancer. It’s slow motion euthanasia disguised as personal choice. Then you privatize survival systems, hospitals, medicine, insurance. Turn health into a product and when the bill comes and you can’t pay nature takes its course. No violence. No fingerprints.

Meanwhile, you flood culture with distractions. War headlines, influencer drama, ideological cage matches so no one notices the algorithm who decides who drives and who quietly disappears. This isn’t genocide. It’s market driven selection. A corporate Darwinism where the unprofitable simply phase out and the punchline they don’t kill you. They invoice you until you die.

“The artificial intelligence revolution is beginning to create “the useless class,” he said. When asked if his 2015 book provided any solutions, he responded: “At present, the best guess we have is to keep them [the useless class] happy with drugs and computer games. As he saw it, there were only two possibilities; both would result in a massive number of useless people. He said:

“One possibility is this creation of a new massive class of useless people. Another possibility is the division of humankind into different biological castes, with the rich being upgraded into virtual gods, and the poor being degraded to this level of useless people.” “As computers outperform humans in more and more tasks, they are likely to push them out of more and more jobs. And then the danger is that you will have millions of people even billions of people who don’t have any economic value and therefore they also don’t have any political power.”

……….

I believe we entered a new dimension or frequency in 2020 and the race to 2030 is related to survival. Much like the shows with similar themes they’re throwing things at us and watching our response. That‘s why I advised everyone to get a side hustle or start a business. This period is all about positioning in anticipation of the shift. Once social credit arrives you may be stuck in your caste.

A week ago on Fox someone mentioned the possibility of forcibly euthanizing the mentally. His comment wasn’t random and he meant it. And we’ll hear something about seniors, the poor and others taking up space. The world to come is for the few not the many. They’re telling you the same themselves.

~bella
That is more nefarious than I could ever imagine but I guess it follows the movie "Soylent Green." It was far simpler without too much tech but it addresses some issues you bring up. There they just killed the elderly for food without their knowledge for some time.

I will look at post nation governance more. I am no crackpot that tosses well established theology though I have one idea that is unusual. I consider that the ten kings are companies, not governments that get a kingdom and give the anti-Christ what they want as indicated in Rev. John sure could see a large company as a kingdom, as he would not have any idea of what a multinational is. Government as is today, could never even create the bureaucracy fast enough for the end times scenario. The ten kings to me might be a monopoly power granted to them, much like England decided what tea the colonists could buy, only for commerce perhaps only one company could be in charge of consumer goods. Another for computing, utilities, communications, etc till you get to ten. (Not unsimilar to the wall street notion of the magnificent seven, consolidating power and money as we speak) I think that countries have to co-exist though. Culturally it is easier, plus no large government has ever really existed without some sort of federalism. I suppose an AI government could pay attention to the slightest detail though. Could be too that there will be competing versions of AI, perhaps a benevolent one? kind of exciting yet perilous times to sit back and watch.

I can say I am skeptical on AI claims. They were wrong on self-driving's rollout. Ai too is are not pulling their weight on profits as yet. I will have to think about "useless" people. Who will buy what is produced? Or will they create a deflationary environment by shutting things down? Other than a cleaner environment I don't see how they profit unless they own large shares of every commodity and then it would not matter. BTW, I saw your post on the inter-racial question. Always enjoy reading your posts. God bless!
 
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That is more nefarious than I could ever imagine but I guess it follows the movie "Soylent Green." It was far simpler without too much tech but it addresses some issues you bring up. There they just killed the elderly for food without their knowledge for some time.

He mentioned things I hadn’t heard and confirmed some hunches. Especially the silos.

I will look at post nation governance more. I am no crackpot that tosses well established theology though I have one idea that is unusual. I consider that the ten kings are companies, not governments that get a kingdom and give the anti-Christ what they want

That’s a possibility. I’ll have to chew on it.

I can say I am skeptical on AI claims. They were wrong on self-driving's rollout.

They’re not behind at all and its rumored they were recording everything during the protests in CA. That’s the expected starting point for smart cities. The pair go hand in hand. I’ve seen footage of cars in China. They’re significantly more advanced in that regard and I’ve seen them use that feature and self-park as well.

Ai too is are not pulling their weight on profits as yet. I will have to think about "useless" people. Who will buy what is produced? Or will they create a deflationary environment by shutting things down? Other than a cleaner environment I don't see how they profit unless they own large shares of every commodity and then it would not matter. BTW, I saw your post on the inter-racial question. Always enjoy reading your posts. God bless!

He works for WEF and I watched the session when he said it. When people are laughing about you losing employment and they’re business and political leaders you have to wake up and cover yourself.

I think it’s related to the sharing economy like we see with Uber and other things for rent. Remember we cut the cord to save money but subscriptions are more expensive than cable and everything is moving to that model and going behind a paywall. I recall something on smart cities in relation to housing. They said the space had to make sense. Meaning, one person couldn’t have three bedrooms. You’d have to share with someone else.

I imagine UBI will cover necessities from the majors as you‘ve noted. But specialty items may cater to certain groups. For example, there’s a clothing ad and the woman is wearing a fur. It caught me off guard and I started to search to see if fur was back. As I write these words I believe the luxury scandals are a hoax including the fiasco with China. I think they’re trying to drive people away and reestablish the cache of heritage brands and reclaiming them too.

Eek we’re getting ahead of ourselves! Ai responsible for manufacturing or cheap labor until they fill the role. Whether it’s purchased with digital currency or fiat they’ll make a profit either away and remember what they said. The money they give will have an expiration date so no saving.

I’ll post the remainder of what he said later. Always a pleasure and thank you! :yellowheart:

~bella
 
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