Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare?

[2PhiloVoid]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

Being that there are different interpretations of what spiritual warfare is and how it is conducted, we shouldn't be surprised if some people seem to be more subdued in how they express their concerns over it. Not all Christians have the same views on it, so there won't be a consensus of response on how we should all conduct ourselves in these "battles."

 

[bèlla]

If this thread is any indication there are some within the flock who enjoy discussing demons, exorcists and the like. The lack of similar discourse within the church doesn’t mean they’re ignorant or the members are oblivious. Oftentimes it’s a reflection of maturity and conversations are had as needed. They don’t sit around discussing the devil or spiritual battles as a norm.

~bella

 

[NBB]

If this thread is any indication there are some within the flock who enjoy discussing demons, exorcists and the like. The lack of similar discourse within the church doesn’t mean they’re ignorant or the members are oblivious. Oftentimes it’s a reflection of maturity and conversations are had as needed. They don’t sit around discussing the devil or spiritual battles as a norm.

~bella

I personally have passion for the subject because i myself was free of various problems, and christians are ignoring there is more to 'mental illness' to what most people say in the form of spiritual issues, and we should be aware of that to solve problems with the help of God.

 

[bèlla]

I personally have passion for the subject because i myself was free of various problems, and christians are ignoring there is more to 'mental illness' to what most people say in the form of spiritual issues, and we should be aware of that to solve problems with the help of God.

The majority have a balanced approach on the subject and aren’t swift to assign spiritual causes to every ailment which may be incorrect. In this matter I support their caution. The alternative would only lead to scrutiny and discrimination with more complaints. If anything, you’re witnessing the compassionate response as opposed to the past.

Given the climate you may want to dampen your fervor. The recent suggestion for forcible euthanization was a hint if you caught it. There’s a reason he was able to say it on FOX. That’s how you test the waters. Making the case for “spiritual issues” in light of the heinous crimes we’ve witnessed won’t bolster your position but will strengthen theirs.

But do what you feel is best.

~bella

 

[Indentured Servant]

then according to their logic if one prays they "might" pray to satan! well it is the logic

I think they're mostly concerned with establishing two-way communication with God, not just praying to Him.

But, yes, we who've made this connection do see wonderful things that many are afraid to find, or, perhaps they just don't believe it's possible to have God reveal spiritual truths.

 

[Godcrazy]

I think they're mostly concerned with establishing two-way communication with God, not just praying to Him.

But, yes, we who've made this connection do see wonderful things that many are afraid to find, or, perhaps they just don't believe it's possible to have God reveal spiritual truths.

And yet nothing is impossible for God and he say it himself. That is illogical. Like taking parts out and drop the other. When Jesus said to believe. what are we doing really if we don`t believe the full gospel..

 

[Godcrazy]

I understand the " Armour of God" to be the indwelling of His Holy Spirit. We are to stay the course, not fall into the schemes of the adversary and to not " quench" His Spirit within. These battles are everyday occurrences brought on mostly by our own actions or the actions of others. The Armour given to each regenerated believer is our Helper. He guilds us in all truth and conviction of sin.

The flesh is the enemy because it is easily tempted by the adversary.

Galatians 5:17
"For the flesh desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the flesh. They are in conflict with each other..."


1 Thessalonians 3:5
"For this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor might be in vain."

Ultimately, we must understand that our faith is continually tested and it is the mandate of the adversary to tempt the flesh into sin. In conclusion, Spiritual warfare is between the flesh and His Spirit. If we remain in Him , He will be the one to "deliver us from evil". Set your mind on the things of His Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:5
"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit."

Be blessed

The way I`ve had explained it is we pray, do confession, go to church, have a relationship, read, live holy and for example, the sword, that is the word, which he mentions as sword of righteousness as part of the armour. and faith, and feet of salvation etc. The pastor said he could see into the spirit and saw the sword drawn towards the demons,and how they fled. I.e, warfare. But in the spiritual.

 

[johansen]

If this thread is any indication there are some within the flock who enjoy discussing demons, exorcists and the like. The lack of similar discourse within the church doesn’t mean they’re ignorant or the members are oblivious. Oftentimes it’s a reflection of maturity and conversations are had as needed. They don’t sit around discussing the devil or spiritual battles as a norm.

~bella

I've always had some interest in the matter because as children my parents read the entire bible chapters at a time at the dinner table every night. Then at age 7 a spirit tells me there is a generational curse on my grandparents family. But i had no concept come to mind at all, to pray against it until 17 years later. Listening to Russ Dizdar on Coast to Coast Am in my teenage years was interesting, he seemed legit to me.

I recall an exchanged with the forum member Abitter01, and he made the statement to the effect of: there are no "real" books on spiritual warfare. I mentioned this at my local church during a meeting and someone told me afterwards: what amounts to "i'm sure you know the reason why. its because you have to be led of the Spirit to do it."

So basically, and this is also inline with my own experience of witnessing just about every single person i've interacted with on reddit who has any kind of substantially accurate and personal spiritual warfare going on between them and other persons... they always delete their posts and accounts. In other words, the risk of Collateral damage from people attempting to solve their own, and other people's problems through spiritual warfare on their own authority is too high, for God to permit people to write what amounts to "how to" manuals.

 

[johansen]

The pastor said he could see into the spirit

people say lots of stuff.

If i was leader of a church i would not be able to speak of such things publically, unless the matter concerned the entire church. (which would be rare)
when i see something affecting an individual, that is only between them, myself, and God, and possibly their parents if they are under the age of 13.

 

[timewerx]

Why are the church as a whole silent about spiritual warfare and the reality of the demonic and the attacks, and either do not want to hear about it, do not want anything to do with it, do not believe in it etc? When it is clearly happening and have happened ever since the time of Jesus and beyond and half of the bible is about it? And the command how we should do it? And talking about the attacks of the enemy? And the armour of God? how can there be armour of God to put on if we are not in spiritual battles?

If you serve the system of the world/Satan, the demons will not attack you.

Serving the world is "safe", comfortable, and stable. This is what everyone is going after but the benefits are very fleeting.

The apostate church have turned to the ways of the world and have rejected the teaching of Jesus and the spiritual reality.

Truth be told though, the spiritual battle is also fought at the physical front where most of it happens. Mostly discerning people, avoiding "false teachers". False teachers aren't necessarily in religious settings. They can be any people who can influence you. People you listen to. It can be co-worker, it can be your boss, it can be people you watch in social media. They can non-religious, from other religions, OR even another Christian. It can be books you read and even the systems you esteem.

If the world is corrupt and headed towards self destruction, valuing its ways will also do the same to the body - corruption and ultimately, death.

Much of it is physical and it involves the body. But if very little to no corruption exists within you, the devil cannot stand you. You won't even need to say a word.

 

[Servus]

I just attended a whole big Bible study on spiritual warfare.

 

[bèlla]

So basically, and this is also inline with my own experience of witnessing just about every single person i've interacted with on reddit who has any kind of substantially accurate and personal spiritual warfare going on between them and other persons... they always delete their posts and accounts. In other words, the risk of Collateral damage from people attempting to solve their own, and other people's problems through spiritual warfare on their own authority is too high, for God to permit people to write what amounts to "how to" manuals.

I had no difficulty finding books on the subject at Amazon several years ago and others out of print from used bookstores. The subject was covered on numerous ministry programs on the radio and television too. I suppose your results would depend where you are, time frame and who you’re looking for.

In respect to personal experiences, I’ve had my own and worked through the challenges with the Lord through prayer and fasting. I didn’t have christian support or seek it either. But I usually address my problems that way and we came just through fine. Even so, this isn’t a subject I’m likely to entertain without cause nor is deliverance my calling. We handle things proactively for ourselves and our home. But that’s the extent of my involvement at this point.

~bella

 

[NBB]

I had no difficulty finding books on the subject at Amazon several years ago and others out of print from used bookstores. The subject was covered on numerous ministry programs on the radio and television too. I suppose your results would depend where you are, time frame and who you’re looking for.

In respect to personal experiences, I’ve had my own and worked through the challenges with the Lord through prayer and fasting. I didn’t have christian support or seek it either. But I usually address my problems that way and we came just through fine. Even so, this isn’t a subject I’m likely to entertain without cause nor is deliverance my calling. We handle things proactively for ourselves and our home. But that’s the extent of my involvement at this point.

~bella

Makes me jealous and angry that some many people have 'mental issues etc' as christians, and they go to doctors when there are resources available with the Holy spirit, and the enemy is abusing them without them knowing.
including people here on this forum that sometimes posted stuff happening to them.

 

[Godcrazy]

If you serve the system of the world/Satan, the demons will not attack you.

Serving the world is "safe", comfortable, and stable. This is what everyone is going after but the benefits are very fleeting.

The apostate church have turned to the ways of the world and have rejected the teaching of Jesus and the spiritual reality.

Truth be told though, the spiritual battle is also fought at the physical front where most of it happens. Mostly discerning people, avoiding "false teachers". False teachers aren't necessarily in religious settings. They can be any people who can influence you. People you listen to. It can be co-worker, it can be your boss, it can be people you watch in social media. They can non-religious, from other religions, OR even another Christian. It can be books you read and even the systems you esteem.

If the world is corrupt and headed towards self destruction, valuing its ways will also do the same to the body - corruption and ultimately, death.

Much of it is physical and it involves the body. But if very little to no corruption exists within you, the devil cannot stand you. You won't even need to say a word.

Absolutely, well said. The tiniest opening, wether mental, emotional, physical spiritual he works on more and more and more. Until we are stuck. It takes commitment to God and his ways. I heard an exorcist say (Fr Lambert) what he especially uses that we don't think about are other.. Christians. Understood those who have opened doors /not living right etc.
I thought the trick is to know your self so well you are able to pause before you react or fall. I believe the more one focus on God and the word. It fits with what I heard another exorcist say about guarding your thoughts and focus on God, like having a pure mind
So... The church in general.. Laodieka.. Asleep.. Infiltration by the new age, nar, etc.. The exorcist said if we really are living holy lives with focus on God church, prayers etc little wiggle room for evil and or, easier to get him to run

 

[bèlla]

Makes me jealous and angry that some many people have 'mental issues etc' as christians, and they go to doctors when there are resources available with the Holy spirit, and the enemy is abusing them without them knowing.
including people here on this forum that sometimes posted stuff happening to them.

Are you suggesting they shouldn’t see a physician? God works through many methods including doctors. This is why alternative methods are scrutinized and subject to fact checking by licensed professionals. It’s irresponsible to treat health issues through armchair advice.

~bella

 

[NBB]

Are you suggesting they shouldn’t see a physician? God works through many methods including doctors. This is why alternative methods are scrutinized and subject to fact checking by licensed professionals. It’s irresponsible to treat health issues through armchair advice.

~bella

I don't say that, but
Just this, spiritual problems exists, that why there were so many in the bible, also doctors can't fix them.
They may help alleviate symptoms only.

 

[tturt]

Not saying dont seek help from a Christian professional.

It would help to follow `... the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness; ` Isa 61:3

 

[Godcrazy]

Are you suggesting they shouldn’t see a physician? God works through many methods including doctors. This is why alternative methods are scrutinized and subject to fact checking by licensed professionals. It’s irresponsible to treat health issues through armchair advice.

~bella

I have always advocate for a holistic model where you examine all areas, physical spiritual and mental.
This is what the exorcists does too
I heard a video yesterday, his name was Dobbs a pastor with ministry and spiritual sight. He said he knew about a lady that was diagnosed bipolar, depression and anxiety among others. However, no treatment worked. She manifested, and she was delivered. After she did not have bipolar, depression and anxiety. Real story.

 

[Godcrazy]

The majority have a balanced approach on the subject and aren’t swift to assign spiritual causes to every ailment which may be incorrect. In this matter I support their caution. The alternative would only lead to scrutiny and discrimination with more complaints. If anything, you’re witnessing the compassionate response as opposed to the past.

Given the climate you may want to dampen your fervor. The recent suggestion for forcible euthanization was a hint if you caught it. There’s a reason he was able to say it on FOX. That’s how you test the waters. Making the case for “spiritual issues” in light of the heinous crimes we’ve witnessed won’t bolster your position but will strengthen theirs.

But do what you feel is best.

~bella

Reasons for Underemphasizing Spiritual Warfare

• Fear and Avoidance:
  Some aspects of spiritual warfare, like demonic manifestations, can be frightening. Christians may avoid the topic out of fear or a desire to appear normal.
• Misconceptions:
  Some Christians believe spiritual warfare is a past event or that only specific ministries or individuals are involved, failing to grasp its relevance to all believers.
• Lack of Teaching:
  Spiritual warfare isn't frequently taught in Bible studies or church services, leaving many believers uninformed.
• Overemphasis on Psychology:
  Some people prefer psychological explanations for problems, rather than acknowledging spiritual causes.
• Association with "Kooks":
  Those who are overly focused on demonization and attribute every problem to Satan are sometimes perceived as "kooks," leading others to avoid the subject altogether.
• Indifference:
  Pastors and leaders may be interested in spiritual warfare but choose not to give it much attention or a prominent place in their preaching or teaching.

Why It Matters

• Biblical Basis:
  The Bible clearly states that Christians are in a spiritual battle against evil forces, not just people.
  
  
• Real-World Impact:
  Spiritual warfare affects all areas of life, from struggles with sin to family conflicts and challenges in ministry.
  
  
• Equipping Believers:
  Understanding spiritual warfare equips Christians to face and overcome the attacks of the enemy.
  
  
• Enforcing Victory:
  Spiritual warfare involves acknowledging Jesus' victory over evil and enforcing that victory in one's life and the world.

 

[tturt]

`Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;` Eph 6:18

Thats the reason I believe this is part of Gods armor for us to put on. Eph 6