Shooting kills 3 transgender women outside Karachi, Pakistan

[Pepperdoodle]

Not to mention the countless gay men thrown off buildings in Islamic countries, or tortured to death.

Yep.
I don't agree with or support any of that, but I would never want any one harmed or killed for it.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

Interesting, transgender surgery is legal in Iran, but homosexuality is punishable by death.

LGBT individuals have zero rights or protections in most Islamic countries.

People in general have zero rights in Islamic countries. Which is why it is so laughable that the same people who wear this to protest

are also supporting people who force their women to wear this

 

[RileyG]

People in general have zero rights in Islamic countries. Which is why it is so laughable that the same people who wear this to protestView attachment 370477
are also supporting people who force their women to wear this
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Agreed. I don’t understand it either.

 

[RileyG]

Yep.
I don't agree with or support any of that, but I would never want any one harmed or killed for it.

Amen

 

[MrMoe]

Are you two friends?
Islam: No.
The left: Yes!

 

[RileyG]

Are you two friends?
Islam: No.
The left: Yes!

What on earth do you mean?

 

[MrMoe]

What on earth do you mean?

These short videos explain the weird and strained relationship the left has with Islam.

 

[Larniavc]

Are you two friends?
Islam: No.
The left: Yes!

I’m on the left and am no proponent of any religion.

 

[MrMoe]

I’m on the left and am no proponent of any religion.

My comment isn’t about being a proponent. It’s about allyship.

As this video shows, “queers for Palestine” makes about a such sense as “chickens for KFC”.

 

[Larniavc]

My comment isn’t about being a proponent. It’s about allyship.

As this video shows, “queers for Palestine” makes about a such sense as “chickens for KFC”.

Yeah, I have to give you that one. Queers for Palestine IS remarkably stupid.

 

[FireDragon76]

My comment isn’t about being a proponent. It’s about allyship.

As this video shows, “queers for Palestine” makes about a such sense as “chickens for KFC”.

Why so cynical? Didn't somebody once say, "love your enemies"? Just because somebody is gay doesn't mean they don't care about anybody that isn't like them, or that might even personally dislike them.

It's also not true that every Muslim has some kind of monolithic attitude towards gay people, or that religious prohibitions against homosexuality (which aren't necessarily the same as in some Christian cultures) automatically translate into political or personal animus. Muslims cultures have, to varying degrees, had more or less tolerance for gender non-conforming individuals and eunuchs, and isn't analogous to Europe's experience of homosexuality and gay identity.

 

[MrMoe]

Why so cynical? Didn't somebody once say, "love your enemies"? Just because somebody is gay doesn't mean they don't care about anybody that isn't like them, or that might even personally dislike them.

This isn’t an example of loving your enemy, this is an example of openly supporting them. The difference should be obvious.

It's also not true that every Muslim has some kind of monolithic attitude towards gay people, or that religious prohibitions against homosexuality (which aren't necessarily the same as in some Christian cultures) automatically translate into political or personal animus.

Never claimed Muslims have a monolithic attitude toward gay people.

Muslims cultures have, to varying degrees, had more or less tolerance for gender non-conforming individuals and eunuchs, and isn't analogous to Europe's experience of homosexuality and gay identity.

That’s not true at all. If you study history as Gad Saad has, you will see Islam has had a very bad track record with gay people.

The fact that homosexuality is illegal in most majority Muslim countries is a testament to that.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

I’m on the left and am no proponent of any religion.

But you find yourself on a Christian forum. Interesting.

 

[Oompa Loompa]

It's also not true that every Muslim has some kind of monolithic attitude towards gay people

The vast majority of them do. None of these rainbow flag waving lesbians would survive a week in Gaza under Hamas rule.

 

[RileyG]

The vast majority of them do. None of these rainbow flag waving lesbians would survive a week in Gaza under Hamas rule.

This was the case I'm referring to. These teens allegedly were found guilty of SA a 13 year old boy, but other human rights organizations say they were executed for consensual acts between them:

Mahmoud Asgari and Ayaz Marhoni - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Not to go off topic, but it's related to the post.

 

[RileyG]

Why so cynical? Didn't somebody once say, "love your enemies"? Just because somebody is gay doesn't mean they don't care about anybody that isn't like them, or that might even personally dislike them.

It's also not true that every Muslim has some kind of monolithic attitude towards gay people, or that religious prohibitions against homosexuality (which aren't necessarily the same as in some Christian cultures) automatically translate into political or personal animus. Muslims cultures have, to varying degrees, had more or less tolerance for gender non-conforming individuals and eunuchs, and isn't analogous to Europe's experience of homosexuality and gay identity.

I knew a Sunni Muslim girl in college. She was quite supportive of LGBT+ people, but then again, I don't know how practicing she was. I drank with her plenty of times, and I knew she used to eat pork. I think she had more of a tolerant mindset, so to speak.

 

[RileyG]

I’m on the left and am no proponent of any religion.

That's fair.

 

[Chesterton]

Muslims cultures have, to varying degrees, had more or less tolerance for gender non-conforming individuals and eunuchs, and isn't analogous to Europe's experience of homosexuality and gay identity.

Muslims tolerate eunuchs. Yes they made eunuchs out of millions of black African slaves.

 

[RileyG]

Muslims tolerate eunuchs. Yes they made eunuchs out of millions of black African slaves.

Yikes!

 

[FireDragon76]

This isn’t an example of loving your enemy, this is an example of openly supporting them. The difference should be obvious.

Love can entail supporting people who are facing injustice. Otherwise, love is just a hollow sentiment.

Never claimed Muslims have a monolithic attitude toward gay people.



That’s not true at all. If you study history as Gad Saad has, you will see Islam has had a very bad track record with gay people.

The fact that homosexuality is illegal in most majority Muslim countries is a testament to that.

How Muslim cultures define homosexuality doesn't line up necessarily with western categories. In some parts of the Muslim world, it might look like more of a prohibition on what sociologists in the US and Britain would think of as "men who have sex with men", not any and all gender variant identities or behaviors. It's also complicated by the fact many non-western cultures, due to missionary influence or global culture, adopted western concepts of sexuality, including homophobia: this happened particularly in Japan. 19th century Edo culture in Japan had no prohibitions on homosexuality, but as Japan modernized, it adopted a medicalized view of sexuality, including western ideas of "normal" sexuality.