Charlie Kirk shooting suspect Tyler Robinson could face firing squad

[GoldenBoy89]

I'm sure I'll be called racist for this, but I'd rather have a white man who has shown competency as the pilot of my plane than a black woman who is in the pilot's seat mainly through affirmative action because the airline wanted to be more "inclusive".

Yeah, that’s racist. Two things. One, do you normally test your pilot’s competency yourself or do you trust the airline to make sure their pilots are up to FAA standards?

Two, you’re assuming an airline hiring more diversely necessarily means lowered standards. There’s no reason to believe black, female pilots are being hired with a lower bar than what the FAA requires.

Well, there is a reason but you won’t like what that is.

Same goes for any other important or influencial position, such as being a representative in the House or Senate.

That, you’ll have to take up with the voters.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yeah, that’s racist. Two things. One, do you normally test your pilot’s competency yourself or do you trust the airline to make sure their pilots are up to FAA standards?

Two, you’re assuming an airline hiring more diversely necessarily means lowered standards. There’s no reason to believe black, female pilots are being hired with a lower bar than what the FAA requires.

Still, I'd rather have a pilot who has shown the most competency during their training, without regard to skin color. DEI slants that regard toward the skin color factor.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Still, I'd rather have a pilot who has shown the most competency during their training, without regard to skin color.

How would you know?

DEI slants that regard toward the skin color factor.

No it doesn’t. What makes you believe black pilots are being hired at a lower standard than any other pilot? There’s nothing about DEI that says companies have to hire the first, unqualified black person that applies and pay no attention to experience or knowledge of the job.

 

[Stopped_lurking]

Apparently, they also claimed to have gotten their positions through affirmative action as well. I didn't see a clip of them claiming that in the video that was posted a link to earlier, but if they did then they were basically saying it about themselves that they didn't get to where they are through hard work, or skills they have, or training, but rather their skin color.

Charlie Kirk made a specific statement about their brain processing power, that it wasn't enough for them to be taken somewhat seriously. Even if they were beneficiaries of affirmative action, why wouldn't they have the brain processing power to be taken somewhat seriously? Are you saying that no beneficiary of affirmative action ever have had the brain processing power to be taken somewhat seriously, by necessity?

 

[Aldebaran]

How would you know?

Wait until the plane crashes and then do an investigation?
Meanwhile, the reason they were hired is kept under wraps unless the company is investigated regarding their hiring process in advance.

No it doesn’t. What makes you believe black pilots are being hired at a lower standard than any other pilot?

That's already been discussed many times in threads related to that topic.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Still, I'd rather have a pilot who has shown the most competency during their training, without regard to skin color.

I've got news for you - only one pilot in every training class shows "the most competency" during training. And, given statistics, that pilot probably isn't the one flying your plane.

Same goes for doctors. What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class from med school?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

Wait until the plane crashes and then do an investigation?
Meanwhile, the reason they were hired is kept under wraps unless the company is investigated regarding their hiring process in advance.


That's already been discussed many times in threads related to that topic.

Yes, there you go. Run away from the obvious implications of defending Charlie’s racist logic. That’s probably best.

 

[Hans Blaster]

Charlie Kirk made a specific statement about their brain processing power, that it wasn't enough for them to be taken somewhat seriously. Even if they were beneficiaries of affirmative action, why wouldn't they have the brain processing power to be taken somewhat seriously?

I am aware of all 5 of them and their "intellectual capacity" however you might vaguely define it and Kirk wasn't in the top 4.

Are you saying that no beneficiary of affirmative action ever have had the brain processing power to be taken somewhat seriously, by necessity?

A lot of people don't seem to understand is that AA is exactly designed to overcome the assumptions that go into statements like the one Kirk made.

 

[Larniavc]

Whenever I see him with his family, I'm offended too. I mean, who wouldn't be offended at seeing this? Just horrible!View attachment 370185

You do understand how people can find people offensive don’t you? Shall I explain? Or are you misunderstanding on purpose despite how detrimental it is to your credibility as a non-disingenuous poster?

 

[Chesterton]

He certainly should not have been murdered but I found him offensive.

I disagree. He was pretty much always civil, polite and respectful of those who disagreed with him. But I guess you're allowed to be offended if you want. Unlike in the U.K., over here no one is legally protected from being offended, as we can tell from the words and actions of much of the Left.

 

[rambot]

He certainly should not have been murdered but I found him offensive.

If I can make a suggestion, I would never use the word "offensive". IT's too broad and relative. Not only that, there is a branch of individuals who really could not care if someone is being offensive.

And so, if that's the case, why not point out his traits you don't like....

Like he was manipulative, intellectually uninspired (a 30 year old besting 19yr olds in front of schools? Come on dude....), brash, combative, belittling, disrespectful, tragically unkind, showed no love to his enemies (who was it who called us to do that), made unproveably racist statements, rude, cutting, insulting. Keep in mind I'm not saying he was this way ALL THE TIME...but he had it in him.

Some people, LOVE those kinds of behaviours...until they get treated that way. But they LOVE to be on the right side of that...to be proven time again how right they are and how awful others are. It's why he had such a HUGE problem with empathy. IF you believe that it's "unhealthy" to put yourself in someone else's shoes (be empathetic) why would you care how you treat people who aren't in your family and friends?)


To be clear, he's FAR from the only influencer (left or right) that has behaved this way.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Thoughts?

Apparently he's not likely to be able to get the death penalty unless the Feds strong arm the case away from the state - which I don't think is any more feasible so in the end brace yourself for nothing more than life in prison.

I am for the death penalty in this case, but it looks like he has a potential defense against the death penalty in the state he's being tried.

 

[DaisyDay]

Apparently he's not likely to be able to get the death penalty unless the Feds strong arm the case away from the state - which I don't think is any more feasible so in the end brace yourself for nothing more than life in prison.

I am for the death penalty in this case, but it looks like he has a potential defense against the death penalty in the state he's being tried.

The feds don’t have to wrest it away as they can charge him with federal crimes separately. Should they do so, the feds case, I think, would take precedent.

Life in prison is worse than the death penalty because it’s more drawn out and, in the end, it all comes to the same conclusion.

 

[Aldebaran]

I've got news for you - only one pilot in every training class shows "the most competency" during training. And, given statistics, that pilot probably isn't the one flying your plane.

Same goes for doctors. What do you call the guy who graduated last in his class from med school?

Barely qualified.

 

[RocksInMyHead]

Barely qualified.

Maybe (someone always has to be last, even if the entire class is within a single percentage point of GPA) - but also "Doctor". And you're certainly never going to know if he's your doctor.

 

[Aldebaran]

Yes, there you go. Run away from the obvious implications of defending Charlie’s racist logic. That’s probably best.

One only needs to observe the behavior and reasonings of those who brag that they're DEI hires and got to where they are by using affirmative action (reverse racism). One of them is now sitting as a justice on the SCOTUS and can't even define what a woman is, even though they supposedly are one.

 

[iluvatar5150]

If you have a cute family you can just say anything and youre completely immune from scrutiny.

Probably explains why Trump catches so much flak. Ivanka and Tiffany can't make up for that kind of deficit.

Scrutinize away! I've seen celebrations of his death, but not much scrutinizing of Kirk himself. Seems like there's not much about him that we can fault him for. If there was, it would have come out by now.

You must not read much outside of right-wing outlets.
I started a thread about scrutinizing Kirk himself. It's got some sources:

Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

A good take on things, IMO, from Jamelle Bouie: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.vy8R.MrGjYMJUcbTn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare There has been less agreement about Kirk’s life and work. Death tends to...

www.christianforums.com

One only needs to observe the behavior and reasonings of those who brag that they're DEI hires and got to where they are by using affirmative action (reverse racism). One of them is now sitting as a justice on the SCOTUS and can't even define what a woman is, even though they supposedly are one.

Oh? Which justice brags about being a DEI hire? Can you provide a citation for that?

 

[Jeff Bacon]

I find it absurd that a murderer gets to pick how they are executed. I think there should be a wheel they spin to see which method is used.

 

[Aldebaran]

Probably explains why Trump catches so much flak. Ivanka and Tiffany can't make up for that kind of deficit.



You must not read much outside of right-wing outlets.
I started a thread about scrutinizing Kirk himself. It's got some sources:

Charlie Kirk Didn’t Shy Away From Who He Was. We Shouldn’t, Either

A good take on things, IMO, from Jamelle Bouie: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/09/13/opinion/charlie-kirk-assassination.html?unlocked_article_code=1.lk8.vy8R.MrGjYMJUcbTn&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare There has been less agreement about Kirk’s life and work. Death tends to...

www.christianforums.com

Oh? Which justice brags about being a DEI hire? Can you provide a citation for that?

‘A tragedy for us all’: Ketanji Jackson’s impassioned affirmative action dissent | Ketanji Brown Jackson

The US supreme court ruled against considering race in university admissions. Here is Ketanji Brown Jackson’s dissenting opinion

www.theguardian.com

 

[Hazelelponi]

Maybe (someone always has to be last, even if the entire class is within a single percentage point of GPA) - but also "Doctor". And you're certainly never going to know if he's your doctor.

I actually don't need my regular doctor anything other than barely qualified. I have specialist's and a regular doctor who writes my prescriptions while the specialists tell him what to write.

Barely qualified is good for that. I have specialist's for the important stuff. I don't need Mr. Up to date, just Mr I'm easy and able to communicate with other doctors regularly. .(You check the price of a doctor first to see exactly how qualified he might be, there's a price range from a low end to a higher end, much like bedsheets, but unlike sheets, you get to interview them first, it's much like hiring someone, because you are).

I have a different opinion about my pilot's qualifications - were I to have one (lol) - and my hospital doesn't have to ground all the surgeons for a few days to sober them up periodically before they can work again - which would be the equivalent to grounding planes over safety concerns, nor do they advertise discrimination to my knowledge.

If there's two people in front of you at the Airlines human resource center interviewing for a job, the more qualified candidates of those in front of you should always be hired.

It should be that way anywhere honestly. Then the C average flunky will be flying for hypothetical Spirit Airlines (test flight 9) where he belongs, and not Lamborghini Airlines where passengers paid for the safety features.

Maybe the C flunky didn't want to fly for trusty ole Spirit Air, and maybe he's even a good pilot - but he really should have thought of that before all the frat parties, because the more qualified candidate might actually be black and not desire people to look at him sideways, and definitely deserves, as the actually qualified individual, the fruits of his righteous labor and whatever respect that might naturally come with it.

Let's work on making a good merit based system where education standards are high.

It's honestly educational standards that need to improve for everyone but that's a different topic.