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Matthew 23: 13 woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.


Matthew 23:25
More good verses that apply!
Thanks for sharing!

"Now I urge you, brothers and sisters, keep your eye on those who cause dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned, and turn away from them. For such people are slaves, not of our Lord Christ but of their own appetites; and by their smooth and flattering speech they deceive the hearts of the unsuspecting." Romans 16:17-18
 
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Don't let the word few that I happen to use fool you. I'm sure there were plenty more, but the Bible would have been longer if God chose to include them all.
We could take a book by book census of names, of course. The problem is that we don't always have info from the biblical writers as to exactly what sorts of interpretations or actions those heretics either took or espoused.
You keep "it" to a minimum if you want, but the rest of us can name as many names as we want. If you don't agree, scroll on.
If you don't think someone is a fale teacher then you are free to think that, but the rest of us are free to think otherwise about whoever.
Thanks for your opinion though!

Well then Becky, post your exhaustive list of names and I'll see how far I agree with you. Or not.
 
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We could take a book by book census of names, of course. The problem is that we don't always have info from the biblical writers as to exactly what sorts of interpretations or actions those heretics either took or espoused.

Well then Becky, post your exhaustive list of names and I'll see how far I agree with you. Or not.
LOL, you would love that. But if you don't agree with the names some are sharing in this post, you won't agree with a longer list.
What denomination, if any, are you?
 
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LOL, you would love that. But if you don't agree with the names some are sharing in this post, you won't agree with a longer list.
What denomination, if any, are you?

I no longer attach myself to a denominational label, but my former memberships and associations were in Southern Baptist and the Christian Church/Instrumental churches. These days, bearing out from my years of historical, philosophical and theological study, I consider myself a minimalist, Historical Trinitarian Christian.

What is your denominational affiliation, sister Becky?
 
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LOL, you would love that. But if you don't agree with the names some are sharing in this post, you won't agree with a longer list.
What denomination, if any, are you?

So, with all I've said above so far being the case, I attempt to put charity and the benefit of the doubt first without jumping to conclusions about the possibility of heresy.

However, if after ample ongoing research, scrutiny and evaluation it seems some one fellow "Christian" is deviant enough or deviating enough in their actions and religious assertions, then and only then do I take out a little sticky note and write myself a reminder with that person's name on it. Like Paul would do from time to time.
 
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I no longer attach myself to a denominational label, but my former memberships and associations were in Southern Baptist and the Christian Church/Instrumental churches. These days, bearing out from my years of historical, philosophical and theological study, I consider myself a minimalist, Historical Trinitarian Christian.

What is your denominational affiliation, sister Becky?
I'm a non denominational Christian.
I was in a religion, before being saved, for over 20 yrs. I won't name it since group rules say not to put down those things and I have nothing good to say about it tbh. Thankfully God saved me out of that
 
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I'm a non denominational Christian.
I was in a religion before being saved for over 20 yrs. I won't name it since group rules say not to put down those things and I have nothing good to say about it tbh. Thankfully God saved me out of that

I'm thankful to hear that the Lord has brought you further along and closer to Him in all of that.
 
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Hi BeckyJ and com7fy8,
Just wanted to dive in here and clear up some confusion. This thread is in the Christian Philosophy & Ethics subforum, which, if I consult the Statement of Purpose for this subsection, allows for the discussion of false teachers and preachers and their behavior (obviously we would not want to follow their philosophy or ethics, if they are actually a false teacher, and there are numerous Biblical warnings to beware of them).

We do, however, have other forum sections that ban the use of the words “false teacher” and “false prophet”, such as the Sabbath and the Law section, which may be what com7fy8 may have remembered. Other forum sections ban the use of “derogatory and inflammatory labels” which include “false teacher”. So caution that what is allowed here is not allowed in every forum section.

Thank you Becky, for reading the rules and selecting the right location for your thread. Just thought I would clear that up. May both of you have a blessed day in the Lord.

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Then the focus would be on the message, not the messenger... no?
No, on both since it's a person that is doing it.
Don't be scared/hesitant to point to the messenger, it was done in the Bible, which should be our guide!!
Exposing those who stray from the truth and naming them is done in the New Testament, in fact the apostle Paul and even John himself named some of them in their epistles:
- Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. ~ 1 Timothy 1:20
- This you know, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me, of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. ~ 2 Timothy 1:15
- And their word will eat as does a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus, who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 17-18
- Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 3:8
- For Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. ~ 2 Timothy 4:10
- Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: of whom be you ware also; for he has greatly withstood our words. ~ 2 Timothy 4:14-15
- I wrote to the church: but Diotrephes, who love to have the preeminence among them, receive us not. Why, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he does, prating us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither he himself receive the brothers, and forbids them that would, and cast them out of the church. ~ 3 John 1:9-10
- Woe to them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. ~ Jude 1:11

So there is nothing wrong with naming names of false preachers/teachers. Christians are supposed to warn others of those who are false preachers/teachers. There is nothing unBiblical about doing so. You aren't judging them as in their value as a fellow human being.....you are discerning whether they are false preachers/teachers leading people astray.
 
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People are just being nice and avoiding confrontation - understandable but not helpful. I personally have a list of 30 false teachers/preachers that's growing constantly as I watch or read something. There's too much for me to share here and now but let's add one of the biggest, worst, most offensive ones of all:

Keneth Copeland - an influential, arrogant televangelist that has become very rich through his church givings while preaching strange, heretical views about Jesus, Adam, and his being a god himself. My evidence? Just search his name on YouTube and you'll find many legitimate critics with video clips of his shameful character, views, and sermons.
It's not helpful, you're right, especially since the Bible points out and names false teachers.
I don't have a list written down, but over the years when I've marked and avoided various ones the unwritten list keeps growing.
Yes, Copeland is one of the false teachers/preachers.
Please feel free to share you list either here or in your own post. I'm open to seeing who you have on your list.
And I get it, it's hard to maybe hear that a fave is a false teacher/preacher. I used to think the same way, but if we really want to be open to truth and honoring God in who we listen to/watch, we have to face that it could be one we're a fan of.
Following the Bible's examples, there is nothing wrong with naming their names.
Each of us need to do our own research and not just assume there are few or none out there, dead or alive whom we follow that may be a false teacher/preacher.
 
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Jim Bakker and his wife Tammy, John, Joel, Paul and Victoria Osteen, Peter Popoff, Jesse Duplantis, and John Gray come to mind.
Yes, the Bakkers, along with the Osteen's, and Duplantis.
I never heard of Popoff or Gray.
Thanks for sharing!!
 
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I don't know who Paula and Ben are and I'm only vaguely aware of Joel. But, I was raised with Benny Hinn and the whole TBN crew and, looking back, I'm appalled at what they were 'teaching' and their 'teachings' still instruct my family (mostly my mother) to this day.
Yes, when we listen to false teachers/preachers there is truth mixed with error. There is a twisting of Scripture to git their narratives whatever they may be. There is an abuse and misuse of Scripture. There is a watering down of the Bible. So many things involved with these false teachers/preachers.
Benny Hinn is one of those false teachers/preachers. Thanks for sharing!
 
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Kathryn Krick - She is actually pretty scary... I watched a clip once of her birthday party with her sitting in a chair on a raised platform and people would come and give her gifts, cry and worship her. I'm not even joking... She touts herself as a prophet and healer when there is no evidence of either. I watched another video of her declaring healing over a child with autism and when it didn't work she just said "keep doing it". You could see the father wanted to cry. Her teachings are dangerous and she in particular is dangerous.
Yes, Krick is another one.
Thanks for sharing!
 
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Probably going to get some flack for this, but in addition to the "usual suspects" of TV evangelists I find a lot of what Paul Washer teaches to be contrary to what I find in Scripture. Though I would stop short of accusing him, or any others, of being a "false teacher" as he and they are someone else's servants.
Yes, Paul Washer teaches things contrary to Scripture which makes him a false teacher/ preacher. Thanks for sharing!
He's not as deep into the hole of false ones, but given he's teaching some things contrary to Scripture, he's headed that way.
We have to keep in mind that these people teach/preach a mixture of truth with error. that can be captivating for some who don't notice the error sprinkled through out.
Good point on them being another's servant.
It's been awhile since I've paid attention to Washer. What are some things from Washer you find to be contrary to Scripture?
 
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Joyce Meyer is another one. She's a prosperity teacher and teaches that if you have wealth, clearly God favors you. So if you're poor, guess you're just out of luck with God. She also preaches that if you're sick, well that's because you lack faith. Faithful people never get sick. She also preaches that you can "speak" whatever you want into existence, health, wealth or success in your career. And if you have any hardships or trials, they apparently don't exist and its because of your own bad choices or lack of faith.
 
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Rather than pointing to the person teaching the false doctrine, wouldn't it be better to point out the false doctrine itself so that people can make informed decisions? Pointing fingers at people isn't the answer.
There will be a time when God's people are called out of Babylon. People will be leaving churches because of false doctrine.
Exposing those who stray from the truth and naming them is done in the New Testament, in fact the apostle Paul and even John himself named some of them in their epistles:
- Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. ~ 1 Timothy 1:20
- This you know, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me, of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. ~ 2 Timothy 1:15
- And their word will eat as does a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus, who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 17-18
- Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 3:8
- For Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. ~ 2 Timothy 4:10
- Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: of whom be you ware also; for he has greatly withstood our words. ~ 2 Timothy 4:14-15
- I wrote to the church: but Diotrephes, who love to have the preeminence among them, receive us not. Why, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he does, prating us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither he himself receive the brothers, and forbids them that would, and cast them out of the church. ~ 3 John 1:9-10
- Woe to them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. ~ Jude 1:11

So there is nothing wrong with naming names of false preachers/teachers. Christians are supposed to warn others of those who are false preachers/teachers. There is nothing unBiblical about doing so. You aren't judging them as in their value as a fellow human being.....you are discerning whether they are false preachers/teachers leading people astray.

Most of us don't have an at the ready explanation of these falese teachers/preachers. What more than likely has been done, is doing our own research. Even with the short list of names that have been shared in some of the replies to this post, research these people for yourself. That's what we did, but that doesn't mean we have a compilation of info to do the homework for you.
Purposely look for a name and then along with something like...is so and so a false teacher. Now be warned, there are those out there that have videos/articles that kick back at the thought of so and so being false...but deliberately seeking the info that shows why so and so is a false teacher will begin to show that they are. I'd check more than just one source also as some have more info on certain things than others depending on their focus on the false teacher/preacher.
 
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Harold Camping predicted three different dates for the judgment day in 1994. He predicted the second coming and the rapture on May 21, 2011 and the destruction of the earth on October 21, 2011.
Was he a false prophet? I suppose. He did repent of this later, only after many of his followers lost their houses.
I do agree with an earlier poster about Copeland. He is especially cringeworthy.
Ah yes, Camping. Thanks for sharing!
 
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