False Preachers/Teachers

[timothyu]

If you think back to the oppressed of Jesus’ day, they were happy God would be coming to take control away from mankind, not that they were going anywhere. The promise of a change of governance for the world was enough.

 

[Godcrazy]

If you think back to the oppressed of Jesus’ day, they were happy God would be coming to take control away from mankind, not that they were going anywhere. The promise of a change of governance for the world was enough.

So they were basically following everyone that promised what they wanted to hear. Dangerous.

 

[timothyu]

Dangerous.

Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven

 

[Godcrazy]

Thy Kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth as it is in Heaven

yeah very soon

 

[timothyu]

yeah very soon

Doesn’t look like any leaders here are willing to give up control soon let alone the people.

 

[Godcrazy]

Doesn’t look like any leaders here are willing to give up control soon let alone the people.

that is all they live for. control,and power. what a sad existence.

 

[Fervent]

Probably going to get some flack for this, but in addition to the "usual suspects" of TV evangelists I find a lot of what Paul Washer teaches to be contrary to what I find in Scripture. Though I would stop short of accusing him, or any others, of being a "false teacher" as he and they are someone else's servants.

 

[Godcrazy]

Probably going to get some flack for this, but in addition to the "usual suspects" of TV evangelists I find a lot of what Paul Washer teaches to be contrary to what I find in Scripture. Though I would stop short of accusing him, or any others, of being a "false teacher" as he and they are someone else's servants.

I don`t even know who he is. But now I don`t own a tv either lol But sure are many suspects.

 

[Freth]

Rather than pointing to the person teaching the false doctrine, wouldn't it be better to point out the false doctrine itself so that people can make informed decisions? Pointing fingers at people isn't the answer.

There will be a time when God's people are called out of Babylon. People will be leaving churches because of false doctrine.

 

[Godcrazy]

We have heard, they started already in the 60`ies to infiltrate the churches. How many are talking more about repentance, sin and prayer?

 

[A_JAY]

Harold Camping predicted three different dates for the judgment day in 1994. He predicted the second coming and the rapture on May 21, 2011 and the destruction of the earth on October 21, 2011.

Was he a false prophet? I suppose. He did repent of this later, only after many of his followers lost their houses.

I do agree with an earlier poster about Copeland. He is especially cringeworthy.

Source: Wikipedia Harold Camping, Family Radio

 

[BeckyJ]

If I remember right, I signed an agreement when I become a member of Christian Forums, that I will obey the rules of the forums. And I recall that one rule as that we are not to call anyone a fake Christian or false teacher and things like this.

I only found this rule saying: "Stating or implying that another Christian member, or group of members, are not Christian is not allowed."

As far as I can tell your recall is in error...in that the rule I just found shows it only applies to those in this forum.
So yes, those outside of the forum can be called fake Christians or False Teachers and thing like that as far as I can tell.

 

[com7fy8]

as far as I can tell.

Thank you for telling me what you can tell

I can, at times, be self-righteous, trying to show I am smarter than the others. So, you have a good chance of being right.

But I like to be able to actually get to know someone, so I can see what the person's real life is because of what they say they believe.

I do think that if you are going to say someone is false, then we need to give exact quotes and verified actions which support what we claim.

If we discuss specifics, then people can learn from how we evaluate, versus just taking our word for it . . . and not learning how to evaluate.

Also . . . maybe not for the purpose of your thread > I'll quickly say people might be very good at pointing at distant fakes, but they can not evaluate people they actually know. And whom they choose for marriage, among other items, shows this.

So, we need to learn how to evaluate, and not only put labels on ones we don't even know.

So - - do you wish to share in specifics how you have evaluated at least one of your people on your list?

And do you wish to share about how to detect someone you actually know, who is a fake, so you aren't fooled into marrying the person?? < like certain ones seem to tend to do, including in born-again church culture.

 

[BeckyJ]

Thank you for telling me what you can tell

I can, at times, be self-righteous, trying to show I am smarter than the others. So, you have a good chance of being right.

But I like to be able to actually get to know someone, so I can see what the person's real life is because of what they say they believe.

I do think that if you are going to say someone is false, then we need to give exact quotes and verified actions which support what we claim.

If we discuss specifics, then people can learn from how we evaluate, versus just taking our word for it . . . and not learning how to evaluate.

Also . . . maybe not for the purpose of your thread > I'll quickly say people might be very good at pointing at distant fakes, but they can not evaluate people they actually know. And whom they choose for marriage, among other items, shows this.

So, we need to learn how to evaluate, and not only put labels on ones we don't even know.

So - - do you wish to share in specifics how you have evaluated at least one of your people on your list?

And do you wish to share about how to detect someone you actually know, who is a fake, so you aren't fooled into marrying the person?? < like certain ones seem to tend to do, including in born-again church culture.

Wasn't implying you were being self righteous.
There is plenty of info on the internet about false teachers in general and specifically.
We all must study for ourselves.
I'm already married btw

I will add this since the New Testament does name names...
Exposing those who stray from the truth and naming them is done in the New Testament, in fact the apostle Paul and even John himself named a few of them in their epistles:
- Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. ~ 1 Timothy 1:20
- This you know, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me, of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. ~ 2 Timothy 1:15
- And their word will eat as does a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus, who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 17-18
- Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 3:8
- For Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. ~ 2 Timothy 4:10
- Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: of whom be you ware also; for he has greatly withstood our words. ~ 2 Timothy 4:14-15
- I wrote to the church: but Diotrephes, who love to have the preeminence among them, receive us not. Why, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he does, prating us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither he himself receive the brothers, and forbids them that would, and cast them out of the church. ~ 3 John 1:9-10
- Woe to them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. ~ Jude 1:11

If the Bible names names, so can we.
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7:15-20
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

 

[com7fy8]

Wasn't implying you were being self righteous.

Thank you for the consideration > it was totally clear that you did not indicate that I am self-righteous. I volunteered that I can be.

Yes, God's word points out certain false people.

 

[timothyu]

Is it not the ones that speak the loudest about false teachers often drawing attention away from themselves. It doesn’t make them right either. Discernment and fruits. Follow the money in today’s world.

 

[BeckyJ]

Is it not the ones that speak the loudest about false teachers often drawing attention away from themselves. It doesn’t make them right either. Discernment and fruits. Follow the money in today’s world.

Maybe the ones with that mindset think that way in part to avoid keeping an eye out for false teachers and marking and avoiding them as the Bible teaches It's being discerning to mention false teachers, name names. Some just want to believe all have the right intent if they claim to be something they really aren't. God's word teaches otherwise.

The New Testament does name names...
Exposing those who stray from the truth and naming them is done in the New Testament, in fact the apostle Paul and even John himself named a few of them in their epistles:
- Of whom is Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I have delivered unto Satan, that they may learn not to blaspheme. ~ 1 Timothy 1:20
- This you know, that all they which are in Asia be turned away from me, of whom are Phygellus and Hermogenes. ~ 2 Timothy 1:15
- And their word will eat as does a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus, who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 17-18
- Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith. ~ 2 Timothy 2: 3:8
- For Demas has forsaken me, having loved this present world, and is departed to Thessalonica; Crescens to Galatia, Titus to Dalmatia. ~ 2 Timothy 4:10
- Alexander the coppersmith did me much evil: the Lord reward him according to his works: of whom be you ware also; for he has greatly withstood our words. ~ 2 Timothy 4:14-15
- I wrote to the church: but Diotrephes, who love to have the preeminence among them, receive us not. Why, if I come, I will remember his deeds which he does, prating us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither he himself receive the brothers, and forbids them that would, and cast them out of the church. ~ 3 John 1:9-10
- Woe to them! for they have gone in the way of Cain, and ran greedily after the error of Balaam for reward, and perished in the gainsaying of Core. ~ Jude 1:11

If the Bible names names, so can we. The devil doesn't want it...the more the devil can deceive the better.
"Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them." Matt 7:15-20
"To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them." Isaiah 8:20

 

[2PhiloVoid]

The New Testament does name names...
Exposing those who stray from the truth and naming them is done in the New Testament, in fact the apostle Paul and even John himself named a few of them in their epistles:

That's a point we might want to focus on here in this endeavor for discernment and edification. While I can cough out a citation of Rodney Howard-Browne with the best of them (mainly because I witnessed his "show" live and in person years ago), I'm sort of thinking that Paul and John didn't feel a need to write out a comprehensive laundry list of false teachers. So, with that in mind, and being that we only find the occasional citation of false (or highly specious) brethren in the work of the New Testament writers, we might want to keep it at a minimum as well.

Otherwise, we might all too easily end up slinging mud at one another when we disagree on some one or two doctrinal points. I've seen one case where such figures as C.S. Lewis, John Stott, Billy Graham, and St. Augustine have been cited as heretics, and I can't go along with that even if I might disagree on some selection of theological points with any of them, just as some fellow Christians will surely disagree with me.

 

[timothyu]

Matthew 23: 13 woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.


Matthew 23:25

 

[BeckyJ]

That's a point we might want to focus on here in this endeavor for discernment and edification. While I can cough out a citation of Rodney Howard-Browne with the best of them (mainly because I witnessed his "show" live and in person years ago), I'm sort of thinking that Paul and John didn't feel a need to write out a comprehensive laundry list of false teachers. So, with that in mind, and being that we only find the occasional citation of false (or highly specious) brethren in the work of the New Testament writers, we might want to keep it at a minimum as well.

Otherwise, we might all too easily end up slinging mud at one another when we disagree on some one or two doctrinal points. I've seen one case where such figures as C.S. Lewis, John Stott, Billy Graham, and St. Augustine have been cited as heretics, and I can't go along with that even if I might disagree on some selection of theological points with any of them, just as some fellow Christians will surely disagree with me.

Don't let the word few that I happen to use fool you. I'm sure there were plenty more, but the Bible would have been longer if God chose to include them all.
You keep "it" to a minimum if you want, but the rest of us can name as many names as we want. If you don't agree, scroll on.
If you don't think someone is a fale teacher then you are free to think that, but the rest of us are free to think otherwise about whoever.
Thanks for your opinion though!