Sabbatarianism

[Studyman]

The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.

Catholic tradition has influenced the entire world no doubt, as her man-made high days have generated untold, uncountable wealth and riches to the merchants of this world for centuries, and still does to this day. But if one actually studies the death and resurrection account as it is written in the Holy scriptures, Jesus was already risen before Sundown on the 7th Day. In all eyewitness accounts, when Mary after Sundown on God's sabbath, which would be early Sunday "while it was yet dark", when she got to the grave, Jesus was already Risen, the stone at the mouth of the grave was already removed.

The Catholic tradition, as is their custom, rejects the Feasts of the Lord which foreshadowed this event. Had they considered what was actually written, they would know there were 2 Sabbaths that week. The first, being the First Day of unleavened bread, and the 2nd being the Weekly Sabbath Commandment. Good Friday itself, is a rejection of this undeniable Biblical Fact. Friday night at sundown, until Sunday morning "while it is yet dark" doesn't make 3 days and 3 nights, not even close. And it completely ignores the First Day of Unleavened bread, while the Scriptures do not.

3 Days and 3 nights would have Jesus raised just before sundown on Saturday night that year, if a person studied apart from the influence of this world's religious system.

Because the Protestant reformation adopted "many" of the Catholic Traditions, including the 1st Day Sabbath, they too, must deny what is written in order to justify their religious philosophy.

Most all of the teaching concerning God's Sabbaths in this world's religions, are promoted by men whose tradition it is to "Transgress God's Commandment" by their own tradition.

These men who promote such traditions, "Profess to know God", and they even Quote "SOME" of God's Word in their attempts to justify their man-made traditions, judgments and high days. It's important to note that the very first recorded deception, written for our admonition in the God inspired Holy Scriptures, was from a voice in the garden God placed Eve in, who "professed to know God" and even Quoted "Some" of God's Word.

I would advise men to hearken to the Word's of the Christ "of the Bible" who warned His People to take heed not to be deceived, not of Islam, not of Buddhism, not even about Atheists, but Jesus specifically warned about the "many" "Who come in HIS Name", who preach that HE, Jesus, is truly the Christ. To beware of the "many" who call HIM Lord, Lord, who Paul teaches "Transforms themselves into Apostles of Christ.

The God of Abraham doesn't exist in temples made of wood and stone.

 

[The Liturgist]

Catholic tradition has influenced the entire world no doubt, as her man-made high days have generated untold, uncountable wealth and riches to the merchants of this world for centuries, and still does to this day. But if one actually studies the death and resurrection account as it is written in the Holy scriptures, Jesus was already risen before Sundown on the 7th Day.

Not only is your argument incorrect in its conclusions, but also is incorrect and scurrilous in its premise.

The dating of Pascha to the first day is Scriptural, and what it is more, is accepted by churches such as the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox which were never under the control of the Church of Rome, which is also not guilty of the evil that you attribute to it.

In the history of the persecuted Christians of Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa and the former Soviet Union, who have suffered so much for their faith at the hands of Muslims and Communists, we find independent narratives outside of the Petrine succession of the Roman archepiscopacy preserved by other Apostolic successions, such as the successors of St. Thomas in the Church of the East, or of St. Andrew and St. Paul in the Greek Church, or of St. Mark the Evangelist in the Egyptian church. And these narratives agree with the RCC concerning the data of Pascha, which was on Sunday, the 14th of Nissan, in the year 33 AD.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

concerning the data of Pascha, which was on Sunday, the 14th of Nissan, in the year 33 AD.

The 14th of Nisan (Passover, when the Paschal lambs were killed) was the day Yeshua died on the cross. The 16th was the day He resurrected (which was the 1st day of the week that year).

 

[The Liturgist]

The 14th of Nisan (Passover, when the Paschal lambs were killed) was the day Yeshua died on the cross. The 16th was the day He resurrected (which was the 1st day of the week that year).

Indeed - this is one of several reasons why the our Church rejected Quartodecimianism at Nicaea.

 

[DamianWarS]

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.

Sunday worship should not be regarded as a rule of worship but rather a community driven time for regular gathering and corporate worship. I would say mandating Sunday as a rule is as misguided as mandating Jewish Sabbath as a rule.

New covenant worship happens any place and any time. That is the freedom it gives that happens to be initiated upon Christ's resurrection of the first day of the week as a new creation value mirrored from the first creation initiated also on the 1st day.

So although new covenant worship was first initiatied on a Sunday it would be counter-gospel to say that Sunday is the new Sabbath rule. It is not Sunday where Christ sets us apart and calls us holy as he did with the 7th day, but it is a new covenant call for every moment.

Sunday has traditionally been a celebration of Christ's resurrection and is a great time for this corporate focus but we can quickly slip into a holy/secular divide living differently on Sunday than other days of the week. It's not the day that is called holy, it is us, and if we call the day/place/priest uniquely holy, then we have missed the point. Through Christ within us, we are the holy of holies and we are the burning bush people are drawn to, we are the priest, we are the sacrafice (only through Christ). The moment we set foot outside of whatever we call Sabbath is when we demonstrate this holiness to those we rub shoulders with day to day. These are the moments we should look above others to keep holy simply because we under value them when they can often be the moments most precious.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

God said:

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God


Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

The New Covenant has God's laws which went from written on stone to written in the heart Heb 8:10 2 Cor3:3


Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.


Eze 20: 20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Ecc 12:13
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments, (His version Exo 20:6, not mans)
For this is man’s all.


Sunday keeping is nothing more than a tradition of man, in lieu of obeying one of the commandments of God. Keeping something as holy that God never sanctified in lieu of what God made holy, blessed and sanctified and is a commandment of God.

This is what Jesus said about this concept:

Mark 7:7 And in vain they worship Me,
Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’
8 For laying aside the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men

 

[The Liturgist]

Eze 22:26 Her priests have violated My law and profaned My holy things; they have not distinguished between the holy and unholy, nor have they made known the difference between the unclean and the clean; and they have hidden their eyes from My Sabbaths, so that I am profaned among them.

God said:

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God

Heb 4:4 For He has spoken in a certain place of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all His works”;

Isa 58:13 “If you turn away your foot from the Sabbath,
From doing your pleasure on My holy day,
And call the Sabbath a delight,
The holy day of the Lord honorable,
And shall honor Him, not doing your own ways,
Nor finding your own pleasure,
Nor speaking your own words,

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Gen 2:1 Thus the heavens and the earth, and all the host of them, were finished. 2 And on the seventh day God ended His work which He had done, and He rested on the seventh day from all His work which He had done. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and sanctified it, because in it He rested from all His work which God had created and made.


Eze 20: 20 hallow My Sabbaths, and they will be a sign between Me and you, that you may know that I am the Lord your God.’

Ecc 12:13
13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter:

Fear God and keep His commandments, (His version Exo 20:6, not mans)
For this is man’s all.

Sunday keeping is nothing more than a tradition of man, in lieu of obeying one of the commandments of God.

What God does not say in any of the above is that we should not worship on Sunday, which is why the Jews, and now at present the Catholics, Orthodox and many Anglicans and Lutherans, worship seven days a week. Indeed the Roman Catholic Church has more worship services and more worshippers on the Sabbath than any other church.

God also said “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”

He also said “Judge not, lest ye not be judged” and St. Paul further said “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

Thus, the exact manner Christians observe the Sabbath is not a subject for scrutiny.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

What God does not say in any of the above is that we should not worship on Sunday, which is why the Jews, and now at present the Catholics, Orthodox and many Anglicans and Lutherans, worship seven days a week. Indeed the Roman Catholic Church has more worship services and more worshippers on the Sabbath than any other church.

God also said “Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.”

He also said “Judge not, lest ye not be judged” and St. Paul further said “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

Thus, the exact manner Christians observe the Sabbath is not a subject for scrutiny.

The 4th commandment is not just the commandment for the Sabbath, it is how to keep all days, according to God.

Exo 20:8 “Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God.

While we should worship God 24/7 365 when we elevate something God said is for works and labors over the holy day of the Lord Isa 58:13 meaning there is only one, God addressed this in His own words Eze 22:26

I am not familiar with the passage that we should follow God on what He didn't say, but I am familiar with what Jesus taught to live by every Word that proceeds out of the mouth of God Mat 4:4

 

[Servus]

The Catholic Church views seventh-day Sabbatarianism, which advocates worship on Saturday as the Sabbath, as a misunderstanding of Christian tradition. The Church teaches that Sunday, the day of Christ's resurrection, is the Lord's Day and the proper day for Christian worship. This shift from Saturday to Sunday worship began in the early Church and is rooted in the New Testament, where the apostles and early Christians gathered on the first day of the week.

The Church also emphasises that the Sabbath commandment is fulfilled in Christ, who offers eternal rest and salvation. Therefore, the observance of Sunday is not merely about following a rule but celebrating the new covenant established through Jesus.

This is something that probably at least 95% of Christian churches agree upon.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

This is something that probably at least 95% of Christian churches agree upon.

The majority of people who believed in God weren't following God's word in the time of Jesus. Jesus condemned them.

I do not believe much has changed.

Mat 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (small remainder of the original) , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:14 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I believe the commandments of God are His version- His Testimony what sits under His mercy seat where mercy and justice will come together soon. Rev 11:18-19 Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13

 

[Servus]

The majority of people who believed in God weren't following God's word in the time of Jesus. Jesus condemned them.

I do not believe much has changed.

Mat 7:13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. 14 Because narrow is the gate and [d]difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.

Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed (small remainder of the original) , which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev 12:14 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

I believe the commandments of God are His version- His Testimony what sits under His mercy seat where mercy and justice will come together soon. Rev 11:18-19 Exo 31:18 Deut 4:13

I've heard all that before from you, sis. I don't get into debates with SDAs over the sabbath anymore. Too much repetition.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

I've heard all that before from you, sis. I don't get into debates with SDAs over the sabbath any longer.

I can understand why.

Wish you well.

 

[The Liturgist]

Six days you shall labor and do all your work,

Eisegesis again. The same scriptures you are quoting make it clear that the work of priests (in the sense of hierus or sacerdos, such as the Kohanim) is the worship of God, and according to the New Testament, all Christians are priests (Kohanim) after the Order of Melchizedek, a royal and prophetic priesthood.

Thus worship on each day of the week. constitutes our vocation as Christians, since our work is primarily the worship of God and only secondarily concerns secular affairs.

But even among the Jews who were not serving as Kohanim, they worshipped on Sunday, and other days of the week, a practice we can trace back to Saints Ezra and Nehemiah, and Christ the Incarnate Word of God did not challenge them on it, so clearly it is correct to worship on Sunday as well as Saturday.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Eisegesis again. The same scriptures you are quoting make it clear that the work of priests (in the sense of hierus or sacerdos, such as the Kohanim) is the worship of God, and according to the New Testament, all Christians are priests (Kohanim) after the Order of Melchizedek, a royal and prophetic priesthood.

Thus worship on each day of the week. constitutes our vocation as Christians, since our work is primarily the worship of God and only secondarily concerns secular affairs.

But even among the Jews who were not serving as Kohanim, they worshipped on Sunday, and other days of the week, a practice we can trace back to Saints Ezra and Nehemiah, and Christ the Incarnate Word of God did not challenge them on it, so clearly it is correct to worship on Sunday as well as Saturday.

This is God's written and spoken Testimony, this is contrast to what is holy and what is not Exo 20:8-11 Isa 58:13. There is no Scripture in all of God's word, that elevated any other day above God's Sabbath. We should worship God 365 24/7 and Jesus relates worship to obedience or disobedience to the commandments of God. Mat 15:3-14 Mark 7:7-13. There is no commandment to keep the first day holy, God never sanctified the first day. God sanctified the Sabbath day, which is the seventh day and commanded to keep the Sabbath day holy. Exo 20:8-11

Just like in the days of Joshua we all have free will who we choose to serve.

Jos 24:15 And if it seems evil to you to serve the Lord, choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of [a]the River, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell. But as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.”

Scripture relates whoever we obey is who we serve Rom 6:16 so its very possible one is serving someone other than God without even realizing it when we lay aside the commandments of God for man-made traditions as Jesus taught Mark 7:7-13 Mat 15:3-14

The Roman church claims when we keep Sunday we are obeying the commandments of the Catholic church

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 1903.

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we (Catholic church) never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

Do we want Rome's sanctification or God's? The Sabbath is a sign of God's sanctification Eze 20:12

 

[Freth]

I still don't understand how we can wave away one of the Ten commandments when the other nine still apply. Surely the fourth still applies. And if so, doesn't that negate Sunday altogether as a holy day of worship? Also there is the missing commandment to worship on Sunday.

There is no evidence that the Godhead ever did away with any of the Ten, but there is overwhelming evidence that the Ten stand as the eternal law of God.

If what determines the Seal of God vs the mark of the beast is worship, then what worshipful command could possibly be in contention at the end of time? ("He would think to change times and laws", Daniel 7:25) It can only be the first four commandments as those are concerning God. The first telling us to have no other gods. The second telling us not to worship idols. The third telling us not to take the Lord's name in vain. The fourth telling us that the seventh day is the one day God sanctified (set apart, as holy) at creation. God commanded, "Remember."

If this is indeed the case, and we (SDA's) do believe it is, the reason we are always on about the Sabbath is because of this fact.

Is not Sunday the day of the sun?

Google (AI):

This name reflects its historical significance as a sacred day in various ancient cultures, particularly in the Roman Empire, where the sun was worshipped as a prominent deity. The naming was adopted by Germanic and other cultures, leading to names like the English "Sunday" and German "Sonntag".​

"The venerable day of the sun" is a term from a 321 AD decree by Roman Emperor Constantine, which declared Sunday a public holiday for rest and banned work in cities. The phrase directly refers to the sun as a pagan deity, as Sunday was the day of sun worship in the Roman Empire, particularly associated with the popular god Mithras. This decree fused popular sun worship with the growing Christian movement, establishing Sunday as a day of rest for the entire population rather than observing the Jewish Sabbath. ​

Does anyone think it might not be a coincidence that the pagan Roman Empire worshiped the sun, and now the vast majority of Christendom worships on the day of the sun?

What has happened in the past? And what did God have to say about it?

Ezekiel 8:15-18 Then said he unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? turn thee yet again, and thou shalt see greater abominations than these. And he brought me into the inner court of the Lord's house, and, behold, at the door of the temple of the Lord, between the porch and the altar, were about five and twenty men, with their backs toward the temple of the Lord, and their faces toward the east; and they worshipped the sun toward the east. Then he said unto me, Hast thou seen this, O son of man? Is it a light thing to the house of Judah that they commit the abominations which they commit here? for they have filled the land with violence, and have returned to provoke me to anger: and, lo, they put the branch to their nose. Therefore will I also deal in fury: mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity: and though they cry in mine ears with a loud voice, yet will I not hear them.​

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Ezekiel 22:26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.​

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Sunday isn't holy whatsoever. The seventh day is, according to God, from the foundation of the world. If the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world, and the Sabbath was established from the foundation of the world, these things hold utmost weight for Christians.

These verses seem to be ignored.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.​

• The authority of Jesus encapsulates these statements.
• Do His commandments. Whose? God's. Read Revelation 1:1-2.
• Conditional for access to the tree of life, which is eternal life.
• Conditional to be able to enter the gates into the city, the New Jerusalem.
• Commandments of the Ten are cited so there is no possible way to misconstrue what is meant by, "Do His commandments."
• Outside the city are those who are doing everything but doing His commandments.

I don't understand the disconnect in Christendom.

 

[ralliann]

Not only is your argument incorrect in its conclusions, but also is incorrect and scurrilous in its premise.

The dating of Pascha to the first day is Scriptural, and what it is more, is accepted by churches such as the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox which were never under the control of the Church of Rome, which is also not guilty of the evil that you attribute to it.

In the history of the persecuted Christians of Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa and the former Soviet Union, who have suffered so much for their faith at the hands of Muslims and Communists, we find independent narratives outside of the Petrine succession of the Roman archepiscopacy preserved by other Apostolic successions, such as the successors of St. Thomas in the Church of the East, or of St. Andrew and St. Paul in the Greek Church, or of St. Mark the Evangelist in the Egyptian church. And these narratives agree with the RCC concerning the data of Pascha, which was on Sunday, the 14th of Nissan, in the year 33 AD.

Can there be a deeper reason this is so? If we focus on the Apostles as a priesthood maybe we can put a reason why this day was so important to the Church. Even why Christ died on this day....
The Feast of unleavened bread, lasting seven days, the 15th day was the first of 7 days.
Josephus records this day this way

"the feast of Unleavened bread succeeds that of the passover, and falls on the 15th day of the month and continues seven days where in they feed on unleavened bread. on everyone of which days 2 Bulls are killed, one Ram, and seven lambs. Now these lambs are entirely burnt, BESIDE THE KID OF THE GOATS, WHICH IS ADDED TO ALL THE REST FOR SINS; FOR IT IS INTENDED AS A FEAST FOR THE PRIESTS ON EVERY ONE OF THOSE DAYS."

Lev 6:24 ¶ And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
25 Speak unto Aaron and to his sons, saying, This is the law of the sin offering: In the place where the burnt offering is killed shall the sin offering be killed before the LORD: it is most holy.
26 The priest that offereth it for sin shall eat it: in the holy place shall it be eaten, in the court of the tabernacle of the congregation.
27 Whatsoever shall touch the flesh thereof shall be holy: and when there is sprinkled of the blood thereof upon any garment, thou shalt wash that whereon it was sprinkled in the holy place.
28 But the earthen vessel wherein it is sodden shall be broken: and if it be sodden in a brasen pot, it shall be both scoured, and rinsed in water.
29 All the males among the priests shall eat thereof: it is most holy.

Heb 13:8
8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
9 Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.
10 We have an altar, whereof they have no right to eat which serve the tabernacle.

These things are distinctly HOLY , set apart from the common people of Israel. The Feast for the priests began on this day, separate from the common people...Eating the sin offerings commanded only for them....

1Co 9:13 Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? {live: or, feed }

Since this day is the first day as a feast for the priests only in the sin offerings.
No wonder the priest did not want to defile himself.

Joh 18:27 Peter then denied again: and immediately the [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] crew.
28 ¶ Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. {the hall … : or, Pilate’s house }
29 Pilate then went out unto them, and said, What accusation bring ye against this man?

A new order of priesthood is to begin on this day....

 

[Studyman]

Not only is your argument incorrect in its conclusions, but also is incorrect and scurrilous in its premise.

The dating of Pascha to the first day is Scriptural, and what it is more, is accepted by churches such as the Eastern Orthodox and Oriental Orthodox which were never under the control of the Church of Rome, which is also not guilty of the evil that you attribute to it.

In the history of the persecuted Christians of Eastern Europe, the Middle East, Africa and the former Soviet Union, who have suffered so much for their faith at the hands of Muslims and Communists, we find independent narratives outside of the Petrine succession of the Roman archepiscopacy preserved by other Apostolic successions, such as the successors of St. Thomas in the Church of the East, or of St. Andrew and St. Paul in the Greek Church, or of St. Mark the Evangelist in the Egyptian church. And these narratives agree with the RCC concerning the data of Pascha, which was on Sunday, the 14th of Nissan, in the year 33 AD.

It has been long known by Catholic Philosophers and Theologians that there is no Biblical instruction to reject the 7th day Sabbath of God, and move the Holy day to the 1st day of the week. The change was not Prophesied anywhere in the entire Law and Prophets, nor was it prophesied or directed in the Testimony.

It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptists, Methodists, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church.
—Priest Brady, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, NJ ‘News’ on March 18, 19

All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible.
—The Catholic Virginian, To Tell You The Truth,” Vol. 22, No. 49 (Oct. 3, 1947).

... you may read the Bible from Genesis to Revelation, and you will not find a single line authorizing the sanctification of Sunday. The Scriptures enforce the religious observance of Saturday, a day which we never sanctify.
—The Faith of Our Fathers, by James Cardinal Gibbons, Archbishop of Baltimore, 88th edition, page 89. Originally published in 1876, republished and Copyright 1980 by TAN Books and Publishers, Inc., pages 72-73.

But since Saturday, not Sunday, is specified in the Bible, isn't it curious that non-Catholics who profess to take their religion directly from the Bible and not the Church, observe Sunday instead of Saturday? Yes, of course, it is inconsistent; but this change was made about fifteen centuries before Protestantism was born, and by that time the custom was universally observed.

They have continued the custom, even though it rests upon the authority of the Catholic Church and not upon an explicit text in the Bible. That observance remains as a reminder of the Mother Church from which the non-Catholic sects broke away - like a boy running away from home but still carrying in his pocket a picture of his mother or a lock of her hair.
—The Faith of Millions

And the implication that God didn't know what day of the Week His Only Begotten Son would raise from the dead when HE created, sanctified and made Holy the 7thy Day of the week at creation, is foolishness, in my view. The implication of popular religious philosophy promoted by this world's religious system that God didn't know what Day Christ would rise from the dead, when HE created the 10 Commandments is foolishness. The implication that God Didn't know when the Prophesied Messiah would raise from the dead when HE created Passover and Feast of Unleavened bread, is foolishness.

And yet, the entire foundation of the worldly accepted Catholic Tradition of Sunday Sabbath, "Good Friday" and Easter Sunday etc., is based on these foolish implications. That somehow God just didn't know what day of the Week was Holy.

Think about it just a little, when Jesus returns, it's not the beginning of the Spiritual Week, it's the End of the Spiritual Week. It's not the beginning of our journey as humans on this earth, it's the End of our Journey.

And remember, The RCC did it's own share of murdering women and children in their Holy Wars and cleansing of the "infidel", according to their judgments. Religious wars pitting one religion of this world against another religion of this world has been going on for a long time and according to the eye witness of the speeches of Christ Himself, these wars and rumors of these wars will continue until HE comes back.

The implication that just because a lot of people believe something is true, must mean it's true, is also foolishness and goes completely against both the biblical Historical record, as well as the secular historical record.

If it were true that consensus makes something true, Jesus would have adopted the Pharisees religion.

 

[Studyman]

The 14th of Nisan (Passover, when the Paschal lambs were killed) was the day Yeshua died on the cross. The 16th was the day He resurrected (which was the 1st day of the week that year).

I was also raised under this religious tradition, but when a man studies the event for himself, it just doesn't add up. Although it is a necessary doctrine it seems, to justify the rejection of God's Sabbath, and the adoption of the Catholic sabbath, as there is no prophesy, no declaration, absolutely no teaching any where in the Bible, that lends itself to the change.

I understand what is actually written, in a different Light.

The Messiah was placed in the heart of the earth, just before Sundown on Passover Day, the 14th of Nissan. He Himself said HE would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. This would mean that HE would raise from the dead just before Sundown 3 days and 3 nights later. Or certainly that there is nothing in Scriptures which say this would or did not happen.

Since we know for sure that after sundown on the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, Mary went to the Grave, and in all eye witness accounts, He was already risen.

So in your understanding, from the end of the 14th Day of Nisan, to the 16th day of Nisan, is 3 days and 3 nights. The Catholic tradition is that He was placed in the grave on the 14th day of Nisan, which was a Friday, and Jesus rose after sundown on Saturday night, but before sunrise on Sunday, the 1st day of the week. I'm not sure how that makes 3 days and 3 nights. I have been told by the promoters of this philosophy that Jesus didn't mean 3 whole days, or 3 whole nights, implying that Jonah wasn't really in the Whales belly for 3 whole days and 3 whole nights. I'm not sure why a person would even contemplate such things, unless of course, they need to in order to justify a tradition.

Since I have no worldly religious tradition to defend or preserve, it's much easier for me to understand the time line based on what is actually written when all of the Scriptures are considered. Jesus was killed and placed in the grave just before sundown at the end of Passover Day, the 14th Day of Nisan, just before the Holy Sabbath, the First Day of Unleavened Bread. This was a Wednesday evening in that year. There are always 2 Sabbaths on the week of Passover, according to the Law and Prophets. Jesus remained in the grave Wednesday night, Thursday night, and Friday Night, exactly 3 nights just as Jesus said. And He remained in the grave Thursday, Friday and Saturday, raising from the dead just before Sundown on Saturday night, exactly 3 days just as Jesus said. When Mary got to the Grave, early Sunday Morning, while it was yet dark, HE had already risen.

There is nothing in Scriptures that contradicts this. And clearly the God and Father of the Lord's Christ knew this when HE sanctified and Set Apart the 7th Days of the Week, as Holy to Him, and Holy to us. Clearly God knew the days His Son would raise from the Dead when HE created His 10 commandments, including, but not limited to "Keeping the 7th Day Holy".

The implication of Constantine and the RCC, and adopted by this world's religious system, that God sanctified and set apart the wrong Day of the Week, as the "Lord's Day" is a bridge to far for me. And why would I adopt this philosophy, if not to preserve man-made traditions?

Nevertheless, these discussions are good to have among men who are "Seeking God's Righteousness" as my Savior and Lord, the Christ of the Bible instructs.

 

[ralliann]

I was also raised under this religious tradition, but when a man studies the event for himself, it just doesn't add up. Although it is a necessary doctrine it seems, to justify the rejection of God's Sabbath, and the adoption of the Catholic sabbath, as there is no prophesy, no declaration, absolutely no teaching any where in the Bible, that lends itself to the change.

I understand what is actually written, in a different Light.

The issue seems to be how "they understood" these things

The Messiah was placed in the heart of the earth, just before Sundown on Passover Day, the 14th of Nissan.

The 1st day of unleavened bread as a 24 hour period was from the evening of the 14thy day until the evening of the 15th day of the calender month

He Himself said HE would be in the heart of the earth for 3 days and 3 nights. This would mean that HE would raise from the dead just before Sundown 3 days and 3 nights later.

How did they do this?

Or certainly that there is nothing in Scriptures which say this would or did not happen.

Since we know for sure that after sundown on the weekly Sabbath, Saturday, Mary went to the Grave, and in all eye witness accounts, He was already risen.

How are you counting days, how did they count days during the festivals?

So in your understanding, from the end of the 14th Day of Nisan, to the 16th day of Nisan, is 3 days and 3 nights. The Catholic tradition is that He was placed in the grave on the 14th day of Nisan, which was a Friday,

A friday according to a Roman day?
Actually Judaism counts days according to the sacrifices offered on those days. Which sacrifices go from morning to Evening.
A day according to temple or liturgical time: DAILY SACRIFICES (day by day)
Num 28:2 Command the children of Israel, and say unto them, My offering, and my bread for my sacrifices made by fire, for a sweet savour unto me, shall ye observe to offer unto me in their due season. {a sweet … : Heb. a savour of my rest }
3 And thou shalt say unto them, This is the offering made by fire which ye shall offer unto the LORD; two lambs of the first year without spot day by day, for a continual burnt offering. {day by day: Heb. in a day }
Nu 28:4 The one lamb shalt thou offer in the morning, and the other lamb shalt thou offer at even; {at even: Heb. between the two evenings }



one day the morning, the evening.....

Festal offerings one each day, each one on it's day.
Num 28:17 And in the fifteenth day of this month is the feast: seven days shall unleavened bread be eaten.
18 In the first day shall be an holy convocation; ye shall do no manner of servile work therein:
19 But ye shall offer a sacrifice made by fire for a burnt offering unto the LORD; two young bullocks, and one ram, and seven lambs of the first year: they shall be unto you without blemish:
23 Ye shall offer these beside the burnt offering in the morning, which is for a continual burnt offering.
24 After this manner ye shall offer daily, throughout the seven days, the meat of the sacrifice made by fire, of a sweet savour unto the LORD: it shall be offered beside the continual burnt offering, and his drink offering.

The days of the feasts were morn to evening day to day. A liturgical day.
Judaism actually considers the whole night of Passover to be an extension of the 14th day (15th by calendar date), because the sacrifice of the day were not to be left over until the morning.
This of course applies to all seven days of the feast as well.
Le 23:37 These are the feasts of the LORD, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, to offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD, a burnt offering, and a meat offering, a sacrifice, and drink offerings, every thing upon his day:

 

[Studyman]

The issue seems to be how "they understood" these things.

Who is the "They", Mary and the Disciples who clearly understood the Sabbath Jesus was "Lord of", or the mainstream preachers of that time who had polluted God's sabbath, and were teaching for doctrines the commandments of men?

The 1st day of unleavened bread as a 24 hour period was from the evening of the 14thy day until the evening of the 15th day of the calender month

Yes, Passover was "Preparation Day" for the First Day of Unleavened Bread. That is why it was important, to fulfill all Righteousness, that Jesus was placed in the grave before sundown, the end of Passover.

How did they do this?

How did "who" do "what"?

How are you counting days, how did they count days during the festivals?

They would have followed God's Instruction in the Torah.

A friday according to a Roman day?

The day God created is 24 hours. There are 7 days in a week, according to the God "of the bible". Romans didn't create the "DAY" God did.

"And the evening and the morning were the first day". Each day has a "day" and a "night", and starts with the Night. I'm not sure why you would imply that the day and night Jesus referred to was a "Roman Day".

Actually Judaism counts days according to the sacrifices offered on those days.

What exactly is "Judaism" in your religion? Was it living by the Spiritual Word of God as Jesus and the examples of Faithful men given us in scriptures did? Or is "Judaism" the "Jews religion" that taught for doctrines the commandments of men, not God, polluted God's Sabbaths, and persecuted the Church of God?.

You need to define the context of your use of this world, before we can have a honest discussion about it.

Which sacrifices go from morning to Evening.

Of course they did, sacrifices were made in the day, not the night. By definition, morning comes after night. Darkness dwelled on the earth, before Light. Darkness first, then Light. ignorance first, and then wisdom. 6 days of work first, then Rest.

I'm OK with that.

A day according to temple or liturgical time: DAILY SACRIFICES (day by day)

Look, I understand how important religious traditions are, and how far men will go to defend and preserve them. I know there is no Biblical instruction to turn away from God's Sabbath, to the Catholic Sabbath. I know that God knew the Day the Prophesied Messiah would be raised from the dead, from the foundation of the World.

I also know from experience, that "many", who call Jesus Lord, Lord, will never turn away from their religious traditions, which is shown to me in the scriptures over and over and over and over and over.

I am happy to discuss with you the spiritual meaning of the daily sacrifices, "made by fire" etc., in a different thread. But this thread is about God's sabbaths. let's stay focused on that.

The days of the feasts were morn to evening day to day. A liturgical day.

In your religion, this might be true. But according to Moses and the Prophets, the Feast Day begins at evening.

Jesus ate the Last supper with His Disciples after sundown on the 13th of Nisan, which would be the 14th of Nisan. After the Passover meal, Jesus

went to Gethsemane, and prayed, "at night" before the morning of Passover. In the morning HE was betrayed by Judas, tried, beaten stripped and crucified, all in the same day, Passover, which had begun the night before. And He was placed in the Grave "Before" the High Sabbath of the First day of Unleavened bread.

So it's right there in your own Bible.

Read the story of the Passover in Moses Time.

Ex. 12: 9 Eat not of it raw, nor sodden at all with water, but roast with fire; his head with his legs, and with the purtenance thereof. 10 And ye shall let nothing of it remain "until the morning"; and that which remaineth of it until the morning ye shall burn with fire.

Passover begins at sundown, at least according to the Holy scriptures.

Judaism actually considers the whole night of Passover to be an extension of the 14th day (15th by calendar date), because the sacrifice of the day were not to be left over until the morning.

Personally, I don't know what you mean by "Judaism". I understand Passover by reason of use. Not really interest in the Talmud, or the Jews religion, nor the Catholic religion and her Protestant daughters religious traditions and philosophies. I'm more interested in what the Scriptures actually teach and how they help me to "know the One True God" that Jesus wants me to know.