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Charlie Kirk has Been Shot at Utah Valley University

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Charlie did NOT contribute to the toxicity. He was a counter to it. All you had to do is watch him discuss things with students and you saw how he brought clarity and truth to the conversations.

Some of Kirk's "clarity and truth":


"If I see a Black pilot, I'm going to be like, 'Boy, I hope he's qualified.'"

"Three weeks ago — if we would’ve said that Joy Reid, and Michelle Obama, and Sheila Jackson Lee, and Ketanji Brown Jackson were affirmative action picks, we would’ve been called the racist. But now they’re coming out and they’re saying, ‘I’m only here because of affirmative action.’ Yeah. We know you do not have the brain processing power to otherwise be taken really seriously. You had to go steal a white person’s slot to go be taken somewhat seriously.”
Charlie died because of the toxicity of people who would vilify this man and inflame the hatred for him and the things he stood for.
We can see in his own words what he stood for.
 
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What’s ridiculous is your suggestion that the right doesn’t care about children

Well, it's kinda correct. Though more accurately, the US society as a whole doesn't care. Considering the amount of school shootings and dead children witnessed over the past quarter century with nothing done about the matter besides "thoughts and prayers" every single time, yeah, it's pretty obvious that dead children don't actually matter, at least enough that something be done about the matter.
 
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Obviously, from what happened yesterday, that’s the left’s belief on the subject.
I wasn't aware they caught the shooter.

But in the recent past, I've seen right-wingers try to assassinate Trump, attempted to overthrow the government, tried to kill Pence, Pelosi, as well as committing the four shootings in MN.
 
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Well, it's kinda correct. Though more accurately, the US society as a whole doesn't care. Considering the amount of school shootings and dead children witnessed over the past quarter century with nothing done about the matter besides "thoughts and prayers" every single time, yeah, it's pretty obvious that dead children don't actually matter, at least enough that something be done about the matter.
No, it is purely the fault of the left by placing the children in the position of being vulnerable while it is the position of the right that they should be protected the way Congress persons and judges are protected. That just shows how little the left believes in safety for children.
 
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The right doesn’t do things like that. The right doesn’t label their political opponents such hateful things as Nazis or racists or deplorables or garbage, the way the leftist leaders have done.
Of course you do.
The right doesn’t say people need to be taken out the way the left does.
Of course you do.
The right doesn’t tell their followers to follow around and harass the left and scream at them in public places the way the left does.
Of course you do.
The right doesn’t create fake hate hoaxes to lay blame on an entire political party the way the left does.
Of course you do.
But I suppose, theoretically, sure. The same applies to the right.
The violence and hate speech and threats comes mostly from the right.
 
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Did he say the words you put in his mouth or not?
He did not. But it’s the message he was communicating. As anyone with the most remedial of understanding of his message would understand.

Unless you don’t think children were included as subset of the ‘people’ to whom he was referring to?
 
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The right doesn’t do things like that. The right doesn’t label their political opponents such hateful things as Nazis or racists or deplorables or garbage, the way the leftist leaders have done. The right doesn’t say people need to be taken out the way the left does. The right doesn’t tell their followers to follow around and harass the left and scream at them in public places the way the left does. The right doesn’t create fake hate hoaxes to lay blame on an entire political party the way the left does.

But I suppose, theoretically, sure. The same applies to the right.

Yes, there is. It is the left who is pushing the agenda to leave the kids vulnerable by not agreeing to the same protections that Congress persons or judges enjoy.
You just did it.
 
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I wasn't aware they caught the shooter.

But in the recent past, I've seen right-wingers try to assassinate Trump, attempted to overthrow the government, tried to kill Pence, Pelosi, as well as committing the four shootings in MN.
Just gotta love that so many of the leftists are so hateful that they can’t even speak the most likely truth that he was taken out by one of their own and speak against political violence coming from their own side.
 
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No, it is purely the fault of the left by placing the children in the position of being vulnerable while it is the position of the right that they should be protected the way Congress persons and judges are protected. That just shows how little the left believes in safety for children.
The right doesn't believe in making any effort to prevent shootings. Kirk believed they were part of the price of 2A.
 
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Well, it's kinda correct. Though more accurately, the US society as a whole doesn't care. Considering the amount of school shootings and dead children witnessed over the past quarter century with nothing done about the matter besides "thoughts and prayers" every single time, yeah, it's pretty obvious that dead children don't actually matter, at least enough that something be done about the matter.
Guns aren't the problem. Children not being raised properly is the problem.
 
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Just gotta love that so many of the leftists are so hateful that they can’t even speak the most likely truth that he was taken out by one of their own and speak against political violence coming from their own side.
Are you saying they caught the shooter?

The right tried to kill both Trump and Pence. The right should stop being so violent.
 
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No, it is purely the fault of the left by placing the children in the position of being vulnerable while it is the position of the right that they should be protected the way Congress persons and judges are protected. That just shows how little the left believes in safety for children.
What a country America is where a child being ‘in school’ counts as being in a vulnerable position.
 
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No, it is purely the fault of the left by placing the children in the position of being vulnerable while it is the position of the right that they should be protected the way Congress persons and judges are protected. That just shows how little the left believes in safety for children.
Well the right now has the White House and both houses of Congress. When are they going to do something about school shooters?
 
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Of course you do.

Of course you do.

Of course you do.

Of course you do.

The violence and hate speech and threats comes mostly from the right.
Anyone can claim all that without any evidence posted. I, OTOH, can post dozens of links to show what I say is true. But I don’t really need to because, as much as you claim otherwise, it is a well-known fact that all these incidents have occurred on the left while none exist on the right.

But if you want to post a link of something like that actually happening, I’ll gladly bookmark it so I can include it in my next post on the subject. I’m always willing to be corrected when it’s really real.
 
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Guns aren't the problem. Children not being raised properly is the problem.
Both are the problem. It’s is a simple equation: Americans + guns = statistically probable child death.
 
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The right doesn't believe in making any effort to prevent shootings. Kirk believed they were part of the price of 2A.
Why do you persist in telling that lie?

IF you honestly believed in protecting children, you would take the steps necessary to actually protect them, not purposely make them vulnerable and then invite psychopaths in to murder them and then try to punish law-abiding citizens for something they didn’t do.
 
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