Is the Rapture credible?

[Xeno.of.athens]

can you give an example of church theology that is personal interpretation of a pastor or group elder?

Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen ...

 

[Adventist Dissident]

Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen ...

you mean Prosparirty preaching

 

[The Liturgist]

can you give an example of church theology that is personal interpretation of a pastor or group elder?

Of which church? For a lot of denominations, yes, but the resulting post might seem inflammatory.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

you mean Prosparirty preaching

no, I mean doctrine that flows from a leader or small group of leaders with no one to correct and guide them.

 

[Dan Perez]

In the Latin Vulgate it is "Rapturo" but it means the same thing in both languages. Just as is the case in English "caught up" and "rapture"

And the KJV. was written in Hebrew and in Greek and to me the KJV. is the text to read and follow.

and there is NO Greek word called rapture in the Greek Text is where I stand !!

And the Apostle to the Gentiles , Paul , never uses the so CALLED word Rapture ever !!

dan p

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

And the KJV. was written in Hebrew and in Greek and to me the KJV. is the text to read and follow.

and there is NO Greek word called rapture in the Greek Text is where I stand !!

dan p

The KJV is written in English to be specific, it is written in Jacobean English it is definitely not written in Hebrew and in Greek. you are of course correct. There is no Greek word that is spelled "rapture".

 

[BobRyan]

And the KJV. was written in Hebrew and in Greek and to me the KJV. is the text to read and follow.

??

1, The KJV was not written in Hebrew or Greek -- just English
2. It was translated from Hebrew Masoretic Text, while the KJV New Testament came from Erasmus' Textus Receptus Greek texts which he created around 1516.
3. The Latin Vulgate was translated (381AD - 405 A.D) from Greek and Hebrew texts starting over 1000 years BEFORE the textus receptus even came into being.

and there is NO Greek word called rapture

There is no Greek word called Jesus, or Love, or ... since those are English words and Greek is Greek.

"Rapturo" is the Latin for "caught up" in 1 Thess 4. That is what Christians were reading for 1000 years prior to the Textus Receptus

Paul , never uses the so CALLED word Rapture ever !!

True he did not use English words like "Jesus" and
"rapture".

everyone knows that Greek is not English and it is not Latin. I think a lot of people will be in agreement on that point

 

[ARBITER01]

Luk 21:36 Watch therefore and be constant in prayer, that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things, which shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

Luk 21:36 Watch therefore and be constant in prayer, that ye may be counted worthy to escape all these things, which shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

do you think that's a pro rapture verse? it doesn't look like it is to me.

And take heed to yourselves, lest perhaps your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness and the cares of this life: and that day come upon you suddenly. For as a snare shall it come upon all that sit upon the face of the whole earth. Watch ye, therefore, praying at all times, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are to come and to stand before the Son of man. And in the daytime, he was teaching in the temple: but at night going out, he abode in the mount that is called Olivet. And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, to hear him.
Luke 21:34-38 DRB

Nope. Doesn't look like it refers to The rapture in any way, shape or form - it's amazing what a little bit of context can do to make a verse clear.

 

[ARBITER01]

do you think that's a pro rapture verse? it doesn't look like it is to me.

And take heed to yourselves, lest perhaps your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting and drunkenness and the cares of this life: and that day come upon you suddenly. For as a snare shall it come upon all that sit upon the face of the whole earth. Watch ye, therefore, praying at all times, that you may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that are to come and to stand before the Son of man. And in the daytime, he was teaching in the temple: but at night going out, he abode in the mount that is called Olivet. And all the people came early in the morning to him in the temple, to hear him.
Luke 21:34-38 DRB

Nope. Doesn't look like it refers to The rapture in any way, shape or form - it's amazing what a little bit of context can do to make a verse clear.

lol, maybe do more reading prior to that instead of only posting that which might assert your position.

 

[Xeno.of.athens]

lol, maybe do more reading prior to that instead of only posting that which might assert your position.

Pardon my foolishness, I thought that maybe the paragraph containing the verse you posted may be sufficient context to get a basic idea of what the writer was talking about - something that is not a rapture.

 

[1Tonne]

People who believe in an early rapture often point to 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18. They read it as teaching that the dead in Christ rise first to meet with Christ, and then immediately afterwards, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the air. So, a rapture for all believers who are both dead and alive.

But Jesus Himself taught something different. Several times, He said believers are raised on the last day. This is the end of earthly time, when He judges the world at the Great White Throne judgment.
John 6:39 – And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that of everything that He has given Me I will lose nothing, but will raise it up on the last day.
John 6:40 – For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:44 – No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:54 – The one who eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.
John 11:24 – Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise in the resurrection on the last day.”

So, when does anyone rise before the last day? Only in the case of the martyrs. Revelation 20:6–11 speaks of an early resurrection for those who are killed for their faith. They are raised and reign with Christ for 1,000 years, but the rest of the dead are not raised until the end.
With this in mind, 1 Thessalonians 4:15–18 makes sense: “the dead in Christ” are raised first (the martyrs), and then at the last day of time, those who are alive are caught up to meet the Lord in the clouds and all go to judgment at the GWT judgement.

It is clear, then, that all believers are raised on the last day, while only martyrs are raised early.
On the last day, the dead, both believers and unbelievers alike, are raised and judged.
Acts 24:15 confirms this when it says "a" resurrection: “I have hope in God, which they themselves also accept, that there will be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and the unjust.” This points to a single resurrection of all the dead, not two separate ones.

And Jesus also said that there will be a time when all believers and non-believers are raised and judged. In John 5:28–29 He says: “Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth, those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation.”

 

[FireDragon76]

Now days the Rapture exists more in folk religion than serious theology.

 

[ARBITER01]

Now days the Rapture exists more in folk religion than serious theology.

My whole church believes in it, we are just not going to hold youtube debates about it.

 

[Dan Perez]

The KJV is written in English to be specific, it is written in Jacobean English it is definitely not written in Hebrew and in Greek. you are of course correct. There is no Greek word that is spelled "rapture".

An all can used internet to see the Greek and Hebrew word you want to. see its spelling and what it means in. the

Greek and Hebrew text at any. time that you want day . or night and one showing. the Greek o r Hebrew text has
any where from 8000. to 20,OOO. at any. one time ,. and it shows the English with the Greek or Hebrew , and its meaning. called BIBLE HUB. !!

dan p