Mass Shooting at Annunciation Catholic Church/School in Minneapolis

[dogs4thewin]

Wasn't the Chattanooga, TN shooter transgender, as well? And that was also a Christian school?

I believe so

 

[Lost Witness]

I don't underestimate prayer. But as this keeps happening, it means we need to act.

The children were praying when they were shot.

I understand the sentiment.
Just keep in mind that those feelings often contradict what the Lord has said.
It's a time to pray more, not less

 

[caffeinated hermit]

I believe so

Sorry, it was Nashville, not Chattanooga.

2023 Nashville school shooting - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Looks like the shooter was a transgender female in that instance.

 

[FreeinChrist]

I understand the sentiment.
Just keep in mind that those feelings often contradict what the Lord has said.
It's a time to pray more, not less

Praying is great. It is not enough now. This repeated "thoughts and prayers" and failure to do anything else will let this behavior continue.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

my point was that I KNOW I have no business with guns so I volunterily do not personally own any (though there may be some in the house) I do not need a law to tell me not to have a gun. I live in a state that does not require a permit I have no record and am at least 21, but yet because I know my lititations do not own a gun On the other hand if I did mean harm and wanted a gun I may not really care if I could get one or not.

Great for you. This guy apparently needed a law that told him he didn't need a gun. A lot of people, to the tune of thousands of dead kids, need to be told they can't own a gun. I don't really care that you've decided to not get a gun. I care that he has a gun and that there are guns that nobody need that people feel they have the right to own at the expense of the safety of all us.

When we're at a point where somebody expects a pat on the back for deciding to not own a gun they safely can't use like that is something special and not what should be the basic norm, we have crossed over into a gun culture that needs correcting via the law and limiting of guns.

 

[7thKeeper]

Just how many more shootings does it take before it's a problem?

A rich white girl to die. Maybe... A long shot.

 

[Hentenza]

Terrible news. My thoughts and prayers are with all those affected and involved in this tragedy.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

A rich white girl to die. Maybe... A long shot.

I doubt it. If elementary school kids aren't enough... If attempts on Trump aren't enough... I think that means only when it hits close to home will it be enough. When one of their kids doesn't come home.

 

[JosephZ]

Funny how most gun deaths are actually not with assault weapons...

Today's were.

...which means that that would not really save as many lives as people like to think.

Don't you think saving a few lives is better than saving none?

 

[durangodawood]

I doubt it. If elementary school kids aren't enough... If attempts on Trump aren't enough... I think that means only when it hits close to home will it be enough. When one of their kids doesn't come home.

Even then, for most people thats "someone else's kid".

 

[durangodawood]

I just dont want to hear "this is unacceptable!" when its obviously quite acceptable.

 

[Aldebaran]

I doubt it. If elementary school kids aren't enough... If attempts on Trump aren't enough... I think that means only when it hits close to home will it be enough. When one of their kids doesn't come home.

Who are you referring to when you say "their"? The president himself was shot. Isn't that high up enough on the list of who "their" is? So no, it's not about whether one of them who is traditionally against gun bans and in favor of Constitutional rights gets shot or loses a loved one that determines when gun bans take place.

Remember, the shooter had a rifle, shotgun, and pistol. So which one being banned would have prevented this? Those who want to ban guns want them ALL banned because any of them could be used.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Even then, for most people thats "someone else's kid".

Correct. It's always somebody else's kid until it isn't. I'd rather not have kids systematically purged to reinforce that gun control is needed, but I have no idea what it will take for people to get the urgency.

 

[dogs4thewin]

Today's were.


Don't you think saving a few lives is better than saving none.

depends.

What would their quality of life be. I have seen/known a number of people die from a number of different thing and guess what some of them I was about ready for them to die from a suffering stand point

As to today's people being saved. let me given you an exmple

Let's say that we had 1,300 people we could EITHER save 100 today OR we could save 1,200 over the course of a year that was why I chose 100 per month plus 100

Now, under this example saving all 1,300 is not an option it is either/or


Which would make more sense?


This example, is meant to compare banning assault weapons the saving 100 today compare to other weapons the 1,200.

The number are not exact by any means whether it is dsigned to show the fact that the guns people talk about banning are actually the ones that doing so would save the fewest lives

The point being assault weapons/high cap weapons kill more people at a TIME and they are the ones people hear about however, most shootings gun deaths are in the 1,200 that are NOT using those weapons. In fact half or better of all gun deaths are by a person's own hand and no one else is hurt.

 

[Aldebaran]

I just dont want to hear "this is unacceptable!" when its obviously quite acceptable.

Arming teachers and security guards in schools would be a good way to prove that allowing kids to be shot is unacceptable.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Who are you referring to when you say "their"?

I mean... I was pretty clear. When one of their own kids doesn't come home, they'll rethink gun violence. As long as it's somebody else's kids, they'll deem those kids acceptable losses on the altar of gun rights.

The president himself was shot. Isn't that high up enough on the list of who "their" is? So no, it's not about whether one of them who is traditionally against gun bans and in favor of Constitutional rights gets shot or loses a loved one that determines when gun bans take place.

Which would be why I said "the president being shot wasn't enough." I was pretty clear.

Remember, the shooter had a rifle, shotgun, and pistol. So which one being banned would have prevented this? Those who want to ban guns want them ALL banned.

The number of people I hear say "ban all guns" are relatively small. Most I hear are specific limitations on types of guns, ammo, and modifications that can be made to them, as well as making it it harder to get them and the overall number one owns to be restricted.

 

[dogs4thewin]

I doubt it. If elementary school kids aren't enough... If attempts on Trump aren't enough... I think that means only when it hits close to home will it be enough. When one of their kids doesn't come home.

Actually, my sister teaches in the district of the mass shooting in GA last year granted it was not her or her school but that was still close to home and you know what I still do not blame the guns. The boy yes, his father for not seeking the help he clearly needed yes but not the gun or the school and actually BOTH are facing charges.

 

[Aldebaran]

The number of people I hear say "ban all guns" are relatively small. Most I hear are specific limitations on types of guns, ammo, and modifications that can be made to them, as well as making it it harder to get them and the overall number one owns to be restricted.

That's why I pointed out that all 3 types of guns were used. So again, which one needs banning? Most people point to the rifle, but it's used least in crimes in general. Even if it were banned, this shooter still had the shotgun and handgun, which means a mass shooting could still have happened.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Arming teachers and security guards in schools would be a good way to prove that allowing kids to be shot is unacceptable.

Ah yes, the "we're drowning so what we need is more water" argument is my favorite.

Let's turn schools into the wild west, where overworked, underpaid teachers are supposed to have military and police-level public safety training.

It takes a really unique level of cognitive dissonance to see yet another thread about children being murdered in schools, then rushing onto that thread to reaffirm how important it is for you to keep your guns. You're yelling about keeping your guns literally over the warm bodies of dead children. You didn't even start off with a "how awful" or the bland "thoughts and prayers," but a rush to defend owning a gun and maintaining their accessibility.

And I'm taking mental notes of all the people who'd better not bleat on about being "pro-life" and "saving children" ever again.

 

[durangodawood]

Arming teachers and security guards in schools would be a good way to prove that allowing kids to be shot is unacceptable.

Why would we do that? We're ok with the status quo.