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Jewish Israel is a Misnomer

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I believe that the true Israelites of God are all the faithful Christian peoples. From every tribe, race, nation and language.

The point of this thread is that the Jews as a people group are no longer Gods chosen people. Only a remnant who are Christians now, will join with their brethren in the Holy Land for the end times. Jeremiah 50:4-5
If that is true why does scripture say that the Jews will have a veil over their eyes until the fulness of the Gentiles is complete, then the veil will be lifted. If they already are following Jesus why do they have a veil covering them that will be removed?
 
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If that is true why does scripture say that the Jews will have a veil over their eyes until the fulness of the Gentiles is complete, then the veil will be lifted. If they already are following Jesus why do they have a veil covering them that will be removed?
Please write out the scripture to support your contention.
Show us the Prophecy of a general Jewish redemption. Note: in Romans 11:26-27, that Paul refers to the whole of Israel and to Jacob. Therefore this refers to all of the twelve tribes, not just Judah and Benjamin.
 
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Their fate is that they shall ALL be saved,
The idea that every living Jew will be saved, is contrary to the Bible and even the teachings of Jesus. Matthew 8:12, Luke 19:27, +
Paul is very clear: Only a remnant shall be saved. Romans 9:27

I suggest you put aside the false teachings of those who promote a rapture to heaven of the Church. It is that false theory which must have a Jewish redemption; them on earth, undergoing tribulation, us sitting in heaven, watching.
So totally unbelievable and unscriptural and cannot happen.
 
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The idea that every living Jew will be saved, is contrary to the Bible and even the teachings of Jesus.
Jesus is the Savior of the world. Don't know why that's difficult

And there is scripture provided if you can get around your self imposed ill sights for the purposefully blinded
 
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Jesus is the Savior of the world. Don't know why that's difficult
ONLY for those who accept His Salvation.
It will be Gods disposal unit for those who refuse Him. Revelation 20:15
 
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ONLY for those who accept His Salvation.
It will be Gods disposal unit for those who refuse Him. Revelation 20:15
Everyone who loves knows God and is born of God. 1 John 4:7

Some just have their subjective salvation filter ratcheted up far too tightly, such as shown here:

Matthew 23:13
But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

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I believe that the true Israelites of God are all the faithful Christian peoples. From every tribe, race, nation and language.

The point of this thread is that the Jews as a people group are no longer Gods chosen people. Only a remnant who are Christians now, will join with their brethren in the Holy Land for the end times. Jeremiah 50:4-5
And do you have a verse that the true ISRAELITES OF God are the faithful CHRISTIAN Peoples ??

AS. MY last name is in. the OLD TESTAMENT and I believe that we came from the middle East ??

AND when I googled , I was given the same. OP. , JEWISH ISRAEL IS A MISNORMER !!

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And do you have a verse that the true ISRAELITES OF God are the faithful CHRISTIAN Peoples ??
Those who respond to the Gospel, are the true Israelites:
The people who hear the voice of Jesus and do what Jesus says: are my people of Israel, My Overcomers, the Victorious ones, literally the Israelites of God. Revelation 3:20-21 Not ethnic Jewish Israel, but the genuine Christian Israel of God. Galatians 6:14-16

Jesus sent His Disciples-Apostles to the Gentiles; non-Jews, where the House of Israel was; scattered around the world. Not to Judah, as He preached to Judah and was rejected. Their mission was amazingly successful, resulting in the millions of Christians worldwide.
They didn’t disobey Jesus’ Command, by going to who the Jews referred to as Gentiles, because the people who heard the Gospel and who accepted it, plainly were Israelites, of the ‘dispersion’, as John 7:35 informs us.
The prophecy of Caiaphas, John 11:50-52, was that; Jesus would die for the nation, in order to gather together the scattered children of God.

Jesus calls us His sheep, because we hear Him. John 10:16 Just as Noah heard God, and just as Abraham heard God. God says that no other people have heard Him but those with the faith of Abraham. He tells us that these are the people He chose... because they heard Him. Deuteronomy 7:6-10

Ephesians 1:4-5 Before the foundation of the world, He chose those who would accept Christ to be His people, to be without blemish in His sight and full of love of Him and their fellow men. It was His good will and pleasure that we Christians are predestined to be adopted as God’s children through Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour.

What else can it mean, but that every person who has understanding and who accepts the Gospel of Jesus, belongs to the true Israel? Grafted into the one Seed, Jesus; but an originally chosen, natural born Christian Israelite. John 15:16, 1 Peter 2:9-10
Since every nation in the world has been thoroughly genetically mixed, the sheep who hear Jesus' voice are from all the tribes, races, nations and languages. Revelation 7:9

It IS the way to know that we ARE the true Israel, because we DO hear Jesus and as faithful Christians, worship and obey Him.
John 10:1-18 tells us in very specific terms, the nature of the sheep and the shepherd. If we truly match that definition, mind and soul, we have the faith of Abraham in our being.

Isaiah 51:1-2 Listen to Me, all you who follow after righteousness, all who seek the Lord. Consider the Rock from which you are descended. Consider Abraham, your father and Sarah, your mother, when I called him, he was but one; I Blessed him and he is now many.
This is a direct reference to Christians, the true Israelite sons of God. Romans 9:24-26

The other aspect to this doctrine; is how some people are made for different purposes. Call it predestination, or God the Potter making some ‘vessels’ to be kept and some to be discarded:
Romans 9:21-22 Surely the Potter can do what He likes with the clay? Is He not free to make two vessels out of the same lump, one to be treasured and one for common use?
But if it is indeed God’s purpose to display His retribution and to make His power known, it is that with great patience, He has tolerated vessels that are made for destruction?
Jeremiah 18:1-12

These are Bible truths, therefore it is beholden for us, who have had heard the ‘call of the Lord’ in our hearts, to be very sure to stand strong in our faith at all times and look forward to the great Day when Jesus comes, bringing our rewards with Him. Matthew 16:27
 
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If that is true why does scripture say that the Jews will have a veil over their eyes until the fulness of the Gentiles is complete, then the veil will be lifted. If they already are following Jesus why do they have a veil covering them that will be removed?
And it is in. 2 Cor 13-15 and also 15-18 !!

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