How should have Christians historically addressed Islam?

[Hoping2]

You have no reason to believe that given the dearth of authentic Christianity on Earth until you arrived. You are the only true believer in your Gospel since the Apostles.

I have no reason there has ever been any "dearth" of true believers on earth, since the time of Jesus.

Do you even confess the Nicene Creed?

I believe it, though the term 'consubstantial' in the 381 AD version could be quibbled with.

 

[Lukaris]

This was not a call to arms, the purpose of the sword found in Luke 22:36 was to fullfill prophesy.

And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me: ‘And He was counted with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.” (Luke 22:35-38)

The events that took place at the Garden of Gethsemane were necessary so all prophecies concerning Him be fulfilled.

“For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors (Isaiah 53:12)’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” (Luke 22:37)

This is why Jesus replied with "That's enough," when his disciples said, “Lord, look here are two swords." (Luke 22:38) Two swords were more than enough needed for that moment in the garden when Peter would draw his sword on one of the men who came to arrest Jesus. Jesus allowed Peter to do this in order to fulfill the prophecy that He would be "numbered with transgressors."

So when Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?” (John 18:11) It was at this point the prophecy found in Isaiah, "He was numbered with transgressors", had been fulfilled.

I do not take it as a call to arms, it is practical advice for self defense should it be necessary.

 

[Hoping2]

Luke 22:35-36

That phrase makes no mention of foreigners ?

 

[Hoping2]

We owe more loyalty to our brothers in sisters in faith than we do to the outsider who would imprison them, enslave them and rape them. Universal loyalty is not Christian.

We owe the same love to both.

 

[Hoping2]

I do not take it as a call to arms, it is practical advice for self defense should it be necessary.

What was Jesus' response to the use of that sword ?
Chastisement !

 

[Lukaris]

That phrase makes no mention of foreigners ?

It’s about self defense plain and simple.

 

[JosephZ]

I do not take it as a call to arms, it is practical advice for self defense should it be necessary.

While being armed is practical advice for one's protection, nowhere in the Bible does Jesus suggest this to his disciples. In fact, in Matthew 26:52, Jesus immediately rebukes Peter when he says to him, “Put your sword back in its place, for all who draw the sword will die by the sword.” There are also no accounts of the early followers of Jesus engaging in armed conflict against either Roman authorities or Jewish leaders, and none of them violently resisted those who persecuted them.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

We owe the same love to both.

No we don't. We owe a higher love and duty to those closest to us. If you want to defend the man raping your wife then you do not deserve your wife's loyalty. Same with a friend whom you would allow to be murdered.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I have no reason there has ever been any "dearth" of true believers on earth, since the time of Jesus.

Point to me a true Christian during the time of the Islamic invasion.

I believe it, though the term 'consubstantial' in the 381 AD version could be quibbled with.

Why do you believe in a Creed created by men? Men who weren't Christians to you?

 

[Lukaris]

What was Jesus' response to the use of that sword ?
Chastisement !

Jesus said those who live by the sword die by the sword. This has nothing to with that and he gave the disciples permission to buy a sword. Jesus gave simple permission and didn’t want to dwell any further on it ( Luke 22:35-38.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Correct.
Faith and prayer are wonderful things that can pre-empt such situations.

Why would you feel the need to pre-empt coming to the aid of an innocent victim of violence in the moment when they are being violated? Just to keep yourself pure and undefiled?

 

[chevyontheriver]

That is only your opinion.
As all men are my brothers, I cannot label any of them as a "foreigner".

How about your 'brother; with a knife to the throat of another brother? DO you just smile at your brother with the knife?

 

[Daniel Carlton]

What was Jesus' response to the use of that sword ?
Chastisement !

This is understandable but we know Muslims are on a conquest of the west. How do we know? They have done it before over and over again. Muslims will deny that they are but for me the question is cost and benefits - We have nothing to gain and everything to lose if our nations are Islamised, so why take a chance?

My idea of religious co-existence is Muslims live in Islamic countries and Christian’s live in Christian nations.

 

[Hoping2]

Point to me a true Christian during the time of the Islamic invasion.

No.

Why do you believe in a Creed created by men? Men who weren't Christians to you?

It is all true.
What parts of it do you disagree with ?
I think belief in that creed is necessary to participate here !

 

[Hoping2]

Why would you feel the need to pre-empt coming to the aid of an innocent victim of violence in the moment when they are being violated? Just to keep yourself pure and undefiled?

I love God more than father, mother, sibling, or neighbor.
Don't you ?
Besides, as long as I have faith God won't allow such a scenario, it won't occur !

 

[Hoping2]

How about your 'brother; with a knife to the throat of another brother? DO you just smile at your brother with the knife?

Do you pray at all about those things happening ?
Do you pray at all about being free of such events ?

 

[Hoping2]

This is understandable but we know Muslims are on a conquest of the west. How do we know? They have done it before over and over again. Muslims will deny that they are but for me the question is cost and benefits - We have nothing to gain and everything to lose if our nations are Islamised, so why take a chance?

My idea of religious co-existence is Muslims live in Islamic countries and Christian’s live in Christian nations.

Until Christ's return there will always be some group or other that wants more of everything.
In the mean time, keep praying that you and yours are counted worthy of His protection.

 

[JosephZ]

Besides, as long as I have faith God won't allow such a scenario, it won't occur !

This is nonsense.

 

[Daniel Carlton]

Until Christ's return there will always be some group or other that wants more of everything.
In the mean time, keep praying that you and yours are counted worthy of His protection.

The bible says God commands you shall have no other Gods before me. So how is allowing the false Islamic god to advance in Christian nations obeying the first commandment?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

No.

Why? Is it that hard to show us where your brothers and sisters were back then?

It is all true.
What parts of it do you disagree with ?
I think belief in that creed is necessary to participate here !

I confess the creed but how can you given the men who crafted it betrayed every principle you hold dear?