How should have Christians historically addressed Islam?

[Hoping2]

I figured you wouldn't be able to provide actual names. Your elusiveness is telling.

Ok, here are a few names...Peter, John, James, Philip, and Matthew.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Straw man argument.
Who said history is false ?
The Lord told the truth about the gates of hell never prevailing against His church.
It has stood without sin since day one.

Then show me in history where your church was when Islam was expanding. Show me them converting the Muslims in a way Christians couldn't.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Ok, here are a few names...Peter, John, James, Philip, and Matthew.

So between them and you there's been no Christians.

 

[Hoping2]

He laid down his life to save others. You are not promoting that. You say If god does not save you, you deserved it.

He laid down His life to pay for our sins.
I'm not going to commit more sin after that fact.
Depend on God to deliver you from evil, instead of depending on yourself.

 

[Hoping2]

Then show me in history where your church was when Islam was expanding. Show me them converting the Muslims in a way Christians couldn't.

I have no access to such information.
The ones God warned to flee from Spain, were probably in France !

 

[Hoping2]

So between them and you there's been no Christians.

I'm positive there have been obedient folks on earth since the Lord was taken into heaven again.

 

[chevyontheriver]

Ok, here are a few names...Peter, John, James, Philip, and Matthew.

You are still elusive. You implied that some contemporary folks taught you your doctrine. Maybe you were just being elusive then too. Ignatius the Kiwi seems to have you figured out as a denomination of one member. It looks like it now to me as well. You seem to be rejecting everybody else. I tried to ask you who your bishop was and you got testy. It's OK if you want to be that way but it does make you out to be a solo believer, a holier than thou believer, a denomination of one. I suspect that if I asked more questions, and if you answered truthfully, we would discover that you disagreed with the Nicene Creed on a dozen or more points.

I hope that when the time comes for you to protect someone that you can rise to the occasion and stop an injustice.

 

[Hoping2]

You are still elusive. You implied that some contemporary folks taught you your doctrine. Maybe you were just being elusive then too. Ignatius the Kiwi seems to have you figured out as a denomination of one member. It looks like it now to me as well. You seem to be rejecting everybody else. I tried to ask you who your bishop was and you got testy. It's OK if you want to be that way but it does make you out to be a solo believer, a holier than thou believer, a denomination of one. I suspect that if I asked more questions, and if you answered truthfully, we would discover that you disagreed with the Nicene Creed on a dozen or more points.

I suspect that if you were truly interested in the faith, you would be taking a more earnest line of questioning.
It seems to me, you just want to justify the murders of Islamists.

I hope that when the time comes for you to protect someone that you can rise to the occasion and stop an injustice.

I have the faith that God will never allow such a situation to occur.

 

[chevyontheriver]

It seems to me, you just want to justify the murders of Islamists.

It seems to you ….

I have the that that God will never allow such a situation to occur.

God will never put you in a situation where you will be called on to protect another from unjust violence?

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I suspect that if you were truly interested in the faith, you would be taking a more earnest line of questioning.
It seems to me, you just want to justify the murders of Islamists.

I have the that that God will never allow such a situation to occur.

Defending oneself from foreign invasion is not murder.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

I'm positive there have been obedient folks on earth since the Lord was taken into heaven again.

You have no reason to believe that given the dearth of authentic Christianity on Earth until you arrived. You are the only true believer in your Gospel since the Apostles.

Do you even confess the Nicene Creed?

 

[Hoping2]

It seems to you ….

God will never put you in a situation where you will be called on to protect another from unjust violence?

Correct.
Faith and prayer are wonderful things that can pre-empt such situations.

 

[Hoping2]

Defending oneself from foreign invasion is not murder.

That is only your opinion.
As all men are my brothers, I cannot label any of them as a "foreigner".

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

Correct.
Faith and prayer are wonderful things that can pre-empt such situations.

Except when it doesn't. In which case you condemn those who suffer evil as having deserved it. This is a really evil opinion you have Hoping.

 

[Daniel Carlton]

Much Christian land has been taken by Islamic conquest like North Africa, Anatolia, parts of the Balkans and half of Cyprus.

Only way to deal with people with a conquest mentally is unrelenting force.

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

That is only your opinion.
As all men are my brothers, I cannot label any of them as a "foreigner".

We owe more loyalty to our brothers in sisters in faith than we do to the outsider who would imprison them, enslave them and rape them. Universal loyalty is not Christian.

 

[lismore]

To be more specific, How should have Christians historically addressed Islam within a Christian moral framework?

Hello! Of first importance IMHO is to make clear the uniqueness of Christ as a means of salvation- "Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.” (Acts 4:12). Islam is not a path to salvation. Sadly I have encountered churches and church leaders who at best obfuscate this issue and at worst are promoting a false gospel, any talk of Islam as an Abrahamic religion or inter faith dialogue, or kissing Qurans is off IMHO. Address Islam first by sharing the gospel fearlessly with Muslims.

Another important issue IMHO is that radical Islam seems to be directing it's ire towards the destruction of Israel and the genocide of the Jews, so it is important for Christians to stand with Israel and the Jews.

God Bless

 

[Daniel Carlton]

Much Christian land has been taken by Islamic conquest like North Africa, Anatolia, parts of the Balkans and half of Cyprus.

Only way to deal with people with a conquest mentality is unrelenting force.

 

[Lukaris]

That is only your opinion.
As all men are my brothers, I cannot label any of them as a "foreigner".

Luke 22:35-36

 

[JosephZ]

Luke 22:35-36

This was not a call to arms, the purpose of the sword found in Luke 22:36 was to fullfill prophesy.

And He said to them, “When I sent you out without money belt and bag and sandals, you did not lack anything, did you?” They said, “No, nothing.” And He said to them, “But now, whoever has a money belt is to take it along, likewise also a bag, and whoever has no sword is to sell his cloak and buy one. For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me: ‘And He was counted with transgressors’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” They said, “Lord, look, here are two swords.” And He said to them, “It is enough.” (Luke 22:35-38)

The events that took place at the Garden of Gethsemane were necessary so all prophecies concerning Him be fulfilled.

“For I tell you that this which is written must be fulfilled in Me, ‘And He was numbered with transgressors (Isaiah 53:12)’; for that which refers to Me has its fulfillment.” (Luke 22:37)

This is why Jesus replied with "That's enough," when his disciples said, “Lord, look here are two swords." (Luke 22:38) Two swords were more than enough needed for that moment in the garden when Peter would draw his sword on one of the men who came to arrest Jesus. Jesus allowed Peter to do this in order to fulfill the prophecy that He would be "numbered with transgressors."

So when Jesus said to Peter, “Put your sword into the sheath. Shall I not drink the cup which My Father has given Me?” (John 18:11) It was at this point the prophecy found in Isaiah, "He was numbered with transgressors", had been fulfilled.