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Every dictator comes to believe that controlling the narrative controls reality. That's why dictatorships tend to implode.
Let me see if I can post this chart. I keep up with temperature and precipitation for a location for work reasons, with this particular data set going back to the 1940s. With the hot days this year, started wondering how many days we had over 100 degrees Fahrenheit and how that stacked up to other years. This chart is from a resulting query, and has data through July 31, 2025, for that particular location. Let's see if this works:
That's not global mean temperatures. That is, to accurately measure the rise or fall in Earth's temperature, we need to average the temperature over the Earth for an entire year. Here's that data:
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As we record hottest weather in history.
It's been a relatively cool summer here in the Seattle area.
How confident are you in that data and why? I'm confident in what I posted because I know the location of the station and note the data for each day in two databases: Microsoft Access for work and LibreOffice Base for myself. And it's not following what we are told is happening. Neither is another location I keep data on, but it doesn't go as far back as the one I posted days above 100 Fahrenheit from. So that's two data sets that disagreeing with what we're told. If you want two points separated by a long period of time, a high temperature noted by a colonial governor in Savannah, Georgia tied the all-time high set in 1986. Two data points do not a data set make, but it's interesting that an observed high from before the United States existed matches one well over two and a quarter centuries later.
I told you why.
Data has to be accurate. And it has to actually measure what you propose to measure. Your graph doesn't measure average world temperature. It appears to be a graph of the number of over-100 degree days in the United States. But it's not identified.
Like your back bedroom disagreeing with the observation that the house as a whole is getting warmer. HVAC guys can tell you that there are a number of reasons for this. I had one room like that myself. It's important to make sure that your measurements are accurate and that they measure that which you want to measure. BTW, here's the graph of average temperature in the United States, using presumably the same stations you're mentioning:
I have two sons living there. Both say it's been unusually hot last month.
Yeah. First, your graph doesn't measure average temperature. And second, it appears to be for a local area. Can you show us the source, so we can check that out?
Not measuring the thing you propose to measure will produce errors, yes.
Let's look at your measurements for the United States:
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We'll know that when we see the source and verify what area is measured. Even by your criteria, the U.S. is hotter than it was in the past.
Here's a graph of minor and major hurricanes for the US:
I grew up in Iowa. We had pecan trees. There are people who grow them there for a living. However, actual recordings of increased hurricane strength nicely matches the increase in Atlantic and Gulf temperatures. And of course, hurricane strength is a function of the water temperature.
Yearly weather is data. How do you think climatologists determine climate change? Yes, it's true that weather is not climate for the same reason your annual income is not GDP. Someone has lied to you about this issue, or more likely knew less than you do about it.
Perhaps you don't know what "data" are. What do you think they are?
I mean personal experience. If you've lived in a place 20-30 years and the weather is the same as always, you're supposed to disregard that and go by the data via jagged lines on a chart. It's quite reminiscent of, "The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command". George Orwell, 1984
I'm going to have to strongly disagree with them. There was brief heatwave that lasted three or four days. The rest of the time it was quite cool for July. I live on the 3rd story of a bulding with no A/C and there's only been two or three days that were hot and sweaty this summer. I can remember much hotter Julys back in the 1990s. I love cool weather, so I've been relishing it.
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Yeah, that was the brief heatwave in the middle of the month I mentioned. The 10 day forecast from that point forward was for higher temperatures than we actually ended up having. It even got downright chilly for a while. I work at night, outdoors to a degree, and I had to wear warmer clothing.Western Washington swelters under hottest temps of the year
Jul 14, 2025, 11:40 AM
Western WA weather: Hottest temps of the year this week
Western WA weather is set to heat up with temps in the 90s this week.
Turns out, objective evidence is more reliable than personal recall.
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It's your leaders telling you to believe the world is coming to an end If you don't vote for them. "The climate is going to kill you all unless something is done about it, and we're the only ones who will do something about it" - DNC.Turns out, objective evidence is more reliable than personal recall.
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The jagged line is the weather. The trend line is the climate.
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Seattle WA Temperature Averages by Decade - Current Results
Temperatures averaged by decade for Seattle, including maximum and minimum temperatures, and number of days with hot or cold weather.
Anyone living there during those decades would have noticed with their eyes and ears the weather reports. But if your leaders tell you otherwise, you might be willing to trust them more than the reality.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command". George Orwell, 1984
Did you factor in the urban heat island effect to your conclusion? Population and urban growth?Turns out, objective evidence is more reliable than personal recall.
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The jagged line is the weather. The trend line is the climate.
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Seattle WA Temperature Averages by Decade - Current Results
Temperatures averaged by decade for Seattle, including maximum and minimum temperatures, and number of days with hot or cold weather.
Anyone living there during those decades would have noticed with their eyes and ears the weather reports. But if your leaders tell you otherwise, you might be willing to trust them more than the reality.
"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command". George Orwell, 1984
Yes. Reality incorporates everything that's real. Do cites add to the warming of the Earth? Yes. So does an increase in population. These things generally lead to more carbon released in the atmosphere. The fact of global warming incorporates the fact of the things you mentioned.
