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Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

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Phil G

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And where did you get this little bit of info from? who says the sun should come back as dot ????????????
You????
I think I know what your on about now;

As the sun is at sun set (or rather the vanishing point) shouldn't the sun appear to come the same at sunrise, am I right ?

“Come the same at sunrise”. Come from the vanishing point, when it’s too small to be seen, getting bigger as the morning goes on.

Why are you not understanding this???????

If the sun disappears because it had become so small that it can’t be seen, then it has gradually gotten smaller and smaller, eventually becoming a point of light to the naked eye, and then disappearing altogether.

At sunrise it must reappear in the same way. First appearing as a point of light and then growing bigger as the morning progresses.

Why have you got a mental block about this?????

It’s is if you can’t understand ABC’s
 
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“Come the same at sunrise”. Come from the vanishing point, when it’s too small to be seen, getting bigger as the morning goes on.

Why are you not understanding this???????

But sunrise doesn't happen like sunset.
 
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But sunrise doesn't happen like sunset.
Sunrise is the sun reappearing. If it disappeared by becoming a point of light, it must reappear the same way, just like you said. Otherwise it would have to suddenly reappear full size, in which case there would be no dawn.

With a globe earth, it gradually would rise from below the horizon until it can be completely seen, which exactly what happens at sunrise, so confirming the globe earth & falsifying flat earth.
 
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Why have you got a mental block about this?????

It’s is if you can’t understand ABC’s
Because she dismisses any observation that does not align with what she believes (erroneously) to be God's revelation, even if it is her own observation. She assumes her own observation aligns with what she believes, just because. In her mind it has to, which is why you will keep hitting this brick wall.
 
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Because she dismisses any observation that does not align with what she believes (erroneously) to be God's revelation, even if it is her own observation. She assumes her own observation aligns with what she believes, just because. In her mind it has to, which is why you will keep hitting this brick wall.
It takes days to get a simple logical point across to her….days! And then, when she finally has an inkling of what’s being said, within a matter of hours, it’s as if it never happened!
 
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@Phil G This is what I understand about the sun

Russianvids - Flat Earth The Sun & The Vanishing Point - Hoax Planets They Don't Exist - ISS Footage​


A number of points about this video.

1) The lower parts of the buildings in his first photo cannot be seen. This is because they are below the horizon. That’s very obvious.

2) You are never going to see the curve of the earth in that photo. If you did, the earth would have to be tiny. Flat earthers don’t have any concept of the size of the globe earth, none whatsoever.

3) Notice that when he starts to talk about vanishing point, objects become smaller as the move away. This does not happen the sun at sunset.

4) The sun does light up the whole sky during the day, proving its light is not localised. Which in turn means that it must be much further away than what this guy claims.

At sunset, the angle of the sun’s rays is shallower from an observer’s point of view than it is during the day, so making its light weaker and seem more localised.

5) It is very obvious, even from his own video, that the sun is not reducing in size to a point of light, which it would have to do if the sun is moving as he claims. It’s dropping below the horizon, as expected with a globe earth.

6) Claiming the clouds are behind the moon is just ridiculous. Sorry, but it is! The reason clouds seem to be behind the moon is because the clouds are not dense & are hidden in front of the moon by the moon’s glare. You can ask any amateur astronomer on that one!

7) The “A” in “SPACE.com” is NOT the “illuminati pyramid”! It could just as easily be a tepee or a piece of Toblerone!

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However, the reality is this:

“We opted to keep the letter A with the lack of a crossbar representing the vast openness of space.”


Conspiracy theorists join dots where there are no dots!

8) Planets are not stars. They look like stars to the naked eye. But in a telescope, they are obviously spheres which are much closer than stars. They also follow paths consistent with planets orbiting the sun.

The ignorance in this video is very strong. Again, ask any amateur astronomer about planets and their movements in the sky. They match precisely as expected of objects orbiting the sun.

9) The Bible does not say that the moon has its own light. It says it is a luminary. A luminary can be an object reflecting light. Look up the meaning of the original Hebrew word for that one.

10) The moon has phases, shadows of craters are seen depending on the direction from where the external light source (the sun) is coming from.

11) The photo of the moon during the day proves it has phases. He hasn’t shown where the sun is in relation to the moon. You will never see a full moon during the day except at a sunrise or at a sunset, with the sun directly opposite the moon. Really, this video is tiresome in its stupidity!!

12) Making statements such as footage from the ISS being CGI does not prove anything.

At least three Christian astronauts, who are God’s own, testify to the earth being spherical as viewed from the ISS. Again to claim it is all CGI is to call these Christian’s liars. I’m calling that guy out on bearing false witness against these beloved people of God.

13) No, 500 years ago people did not believe the earth was flat. You would not have been ridiculed for saying it’s a globe. Detailed globes were being made over 600 years ago. Nobody ridiculed it. The earth had been known to be a globe for thousands of years.


This whole video is disgraceful misdirection and downright deception. None if his points hold any truth.

Sorry, but you have been seriously deceived…very seriously deceived.

Edit: And by the way, nothing in that video explains why the sun and moon appear bigger at sunrise or moonrise as per your own observation. Which is what I have been asking you to explain for several days now and which you never have.

Hence your own observation confirms globe earth expectations and falsifies flat earth.
 
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@Phil G This is what I understand about the sun

Russianvids - Flat Earth The Sun & The Vanishing Point - Hoax Planets They Don't Exist - ISS Footage​


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If the earth was flat, the entire city would be visible, right down to the shore (which is closer to the viewer than the towers). It isn't visible due to the curvature of the earth. It is partly visible due to atmospheric refraction.
So right off the bat, this photo he puts up falsifies the flat earth model. It is also obvious that the sun is not what he describes as due to perspective. With his line of telegraph poles, they get smaller and smaller but remain exactly the same shape. If the flat earth claims were true then the sun would appear as a tiny circle. Instead, what you see in the photo is the top of a large circle, the rest of which is hidden by the horizon. Once again this photo falsifies the flat earth model and is completely consistent with the globe.
 
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A number of points about this video.

1) The lower parts of the buildings in his first photo cannot be seen. This is because they are below the horizon. That’s very obvious.

2) You are never going to see the curve of the earth in that photo. If you did, the earth would have to be tiny. Flat earthers don’t have any concept of the size of the globe earth, none whatsoever.

3) Notice that when he starts to talk about vanishing point, objects become smaller as the move away. This does not happen the sun at sunset.

4) The sun does light up the whole sky during the day, proving its light is not localised. Which in turn means that it must be much further away than what this guy claims.

At sunset, the angle of the sun’s rays is shallower from an observer’s point of view than it is during the day, so making its light weaker and seem more localised.

5) It is very obvious, even from his own video, that the sun is not reducing in size to a point of light, which it would have to do if the sun is moving as he claims. It’s dropping below the horizon, as expected with a globe earth.

6) Claiming the clouds are behind the moon is just ridiculous. Sorry, but it is! The reason clouds seem to be behind the moon is because the clouds are not dense & are hidden in front of the moon by the moon’s glare. You can ask any amateur astronomer on that one!

7) The “A” in Space is NOT the “illuminati pyramid”! Conspiracy theorist join dots where there are no dots!

8) Planets are not stars. They look like stars to the naked eye. But in a telescope, they are obviously spheres which are much closer than stars. They also follow paths consistent with planets orbiting the sun.

The ignorance in this video is very strong. Again, ask any amateur astronomer about planets and their movements in the sky. They match precisely as expected of objects orbiting the sun.

9) The Bible does not say that the moon has its own light. It says it is a luminary. A luminary can be an object reflecting light. Look up the meaning of the original Hebrew word for that one.

10) The moon has phases, shadows of craters are seen depending on the direction from where the external light source (the sun) is coming from.

11) The photo of the moon during the day proves it has phases. He hasn’t shown where the sun is in relation to the moon. You will never see a full moon during the day except at a sunrise or at a sunset, with the sun directly opposite the moon. Really, this video is tiresome in its stupidity!!

12) Making statements such as footage from the ISS being CGI does not prove anything.

At least three Christian astronauts, who are God’s own, testify to the earth being spherical as viewed from the ISS. Again to claim it is all CGI is to call these Christian’s liars. I’m calling that guy out on bearing false witness to these beloved people of God.

13) No, 500 years ago people did not believe the earth was flat. You would not have been ridiculed for saying it’s a globe. Detailed globes were being made over 600 years ago. Nobody ridiculed it. The earth had been known to be a globe for thousands of years.


This whole video is disgraceful misdirection and downright deception. None if his points hold any truth.

Sorry, but you have been seriously deceived…very seriously deceived.
Kudos for having the patience to watch the whole of that mind numbing stupidity. I didn't go past the first photo he showed, since it immediately debunked his claims. I figured the rest would be more of he same.
 
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Kudos for having the patience to watch the whole of that mind numbing stupidity. I didn't go past the first photo he showed, since it immediately debunked his claims. I figured the rest would be more of he same.
I decided to explore this video because I wanted to address it point by point. I was very tempted not to, particularly since it’s now after 10pm here.

However the truth does not fear investigation, and so I investigated!

153 news once again lives up to its fake news title!!
 
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9) The Bible does not say that the moon has its own light. It says it is a luminary. A luminary can be an object reflecting light. Look up the meaning of the original Hebrew word for that one.

Wrong -

King James Bible
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:29

As it is late, I shall try to go though all your answers tomorrow.
 
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Wrong -

King James Bible
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:29

As it is late, I shall try to go though all your answers tomorrow.
No, you’re not answering my point. First, the Hebrew word translated as “light” in Genesis means “luminary”, which may be an object reflecting light.

And second, your reference above only talks about the moon not giving its light. It does not say the moon is its own source of light.

Genesis has already set out that it is a luminary, and so its light can be reflected light.

You are taking that passage way out of context and are reading your own beliefs into it.

One further piece of evidence, you will never see a full moon with the sun high in the sky, never. If you see the moon at the same time when the sun is high in the sky, it will be with a different phase other than full with its lit side facing towards the sun.

The only time a full moon takes place is when the sun is directly opposite it with respect to the earth….always, always, always, showing once again that the moon is reflecting the sun’s light.

And still you do not explain your own observation of the sun & moon appearing bigger when they rise.

I’m not going to let you off from explaining it in the context of flat earth. I gave you the respect of answering your posted video but I’m not going to be deflected from my question to you. You’re going to have to either come up with the explanation for your own observation or admit it falsifies flat earth. One or the other….
 
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Yes, you are.
King James Bible
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:29
Gives no reference to the source of the moon's light, whether it is emitted or reflected, although it immediately follows that if the "sun is darkened" then any object that reflects sunlight will cease to give light.
 
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Kudos for having the patience to watch the whole of that mind numbing stupidity. I didn't go past the first photo he showed, since it immediately debunked his claims. I figured the rest would be more of he same.
Seconded. Although I didn't even get that far.

"You (Phil G) watched - so we didn't have to".

I once saw a large banner outside a newly opened old people's home which said "We care - we hope you do" . The rebellious side of me wanted to cross out the second half and replace it with " - so you don't have to". OK, nothing to do with FE. But I fear that this thread will still be going after we have all been admited to a care home and then later departed to our final bodily resting place. And it will still be ping-ponging the same aurguments, with the same lack of success.
 
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Wrong -

King James Bible
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: Matthew 24:29

As it is late, I shall try to go though all your answers tomorrow.
In normal language, it is usual to write about 'things' as they seem to the observer, even when you know that the descriptions are, strictly speaking, wrong.

"the moon shall not give her light" describes how events in the future will seem, an explanation of how the sun and moon work.

Those of us who accept that the earth is a globe that is orbiting the sun and being orbited by the moon, still talk about the sun rising and setting. Not 'the earth rotating to bring the sun into sight'.

A simple example: many electronic products have a status light on the front. However, this is typically implemented using a LED that is mounted on a PCB somewhere inside the product, with a plastic light pipe that shines the light from the LED onto a diffuse lens on the front. The advertising documents, instruction manuals, or even the product requirements are not intended to explain the inner workings, but how it should appear to the user.
 
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And second, your reference above only talks about the moon not giving its light. It does not say the moon is its own source of light.

Oh please, this is Jesus talking, he states quite clearly ' shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light'.

You need to stop trying to fit every word of the Bible to support of a globe.
 
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In normal language, it is usual to write about 'things' as they seem to the observer, even when you know that the descriptions are, strictly speaking, wrong.

"the moon shall not give her light" describes how events in the future will seem, an explanation of how the sun and moon work.

So Jesus didn't know what he was talking about ? LOL'z - Jesus created the sun & and the moon, he should know what he's talking about.
 
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Yes, you are.

Gives no reference to the source of the moon's light, whether it is emitted or reflected, although it immediately follows that if the "sun is darkened" then any object that reflects sunlight will cease to give light.

:rolleyes: Not you as well ?
We know Jesus is talking about two lights, he states ' The sun will be darkened And the moon shall not give off her light'
 
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Oh please, this is Jesus talking, he states quite clearly ' shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light'.

You need to stop trying to fit every word of the Bible to support of a globe.
Oh please! As if you don't interpret everything as if it supports flat earth.
 
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8) Planets are not stars. They look like stars to the naked eye. But in a telescope, they are obviously spheres which are much closer than stars. They also follow paths consistent with planets orbiting the sun.

Rubbish, they are known as wandering stars & there's no mention of planets in the Bible.

No, 500 years ago people did not believe the earth was flat.

o_O You do know your History don't you ?

This whole video is disgraceful misdirection and downright deception. None if his points hold any truth.

Sorry, but you have been seriously deceived…very seriously deceived.

No, most of the whole world has, via their indoctrination & their little science books.

Exodus 20:4 KJV:​

Thou shalt not make unto thee a graven image, nor any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath,


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No matter what TV program or film I watch I'm guaranteed to see one of these. talk about mind control.
 
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