Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Phil G]

We all know that the precise time of sunrise and sunrise depends on our location.

And the season. But that’s irrelevant. The fact that you have observed it looking bigger during sunrise and getting smaller towards noon is enough to show the inconsistency with flat earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

And the season. But that’s irrelevant. The fact that you have observed it looking bigger during sunrise and getting smaller towards noon is enough to show the inconsistency with flat earth.

Not necessarily, have you seen the sunrise at precisely the right time ?

 

[Phil G]

And I can't see where he has lied or has any reason to repent for it.

This has been shown to you repeatedly. He has said on video (including with captions if you find it hard to hear what exactly he said) that a playing field is flat. It isn’t, it is purposely curved to allow for drainage.

The video is still posted in his own church’s YouTube channel. He is the pastor of that church, all of which means he endorses the video. It’s not a doctored video, otherwise he wouldn’t post it on his church’s YouTube channel, at least without correction, would he?

But posted he has, and it remains there.

 

[Phil G]

Not necessarily, have you seen the sunrise at precisely the right time ?

Yes necessarily. Why wouldn’t it?

And yes I have gotten up very early to watch the sunrise. I live on the east coast of Ireland and so can be literally on the beach in about a ten minute walk.

And I can assure you that the sun does not start to appear as a point of light above the horizon and grow in size as the morning goes on. It rises from the horizon, first seeing the top of it until the full sun is seen.

This is my own eyewitness testimony, and it falsifies flat earth.

 

[prodromos]

For reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.

Put it into context.

And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.​

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:​

That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.​

Nothing about the shape of the earth, rather he is talking about having faith in Christ for his salvation and being properly prepared in order to be able to do good works for the glory of God. You are trying to apply that verse to something which has no bearing on either of those things which is an abuse of Scripture. Paul is instructing Timothy on growing in faith and righteousness so that he can be an effective leader and witness to the Church under his care.

 

[prodromos]

Yes necessarily. Why wouldn’t it?

And yes I have gotten up very early to watch the sunrise. I live on the east coast of Ireland and so can be literally on the beach in about a ten minute walk.

And I can assure you that the sun does not start to appear as a point of light above the horizon and grow in size as the morning goes on. It rises from the horizon, first seeing the top of it until the full sun is seen.

This is my own eyewitness testimony, and it falsifies flat earth.

I have watched the sun rise and set on many occasions and it is always the same and just as you describe. It remains the same size for as long as it is visible when setting, gradually being obscured by the horizon. When rising it is also full size, with just the top being visible above the horizon, then more and more of it being revealed unlit it is clear of the horizon. I have never seen anything remotely like the vanishing point explanation given by flat earthers.

 

[David Lamb]

Yes I did, I thought I explained it very well

Well, I for one must have missed your explanation of why the sun appears large at sunrise and sunset than it does at noon, even though it is further away at dawn and dusk than it is at noon.

 

[Phil G]

I have watched the sun rise and set on many occasions and it is always the same and just as you describe. It remains the same size for as long as it is visible when setting, gradually being obscured by the horizon. When rising it is also full size, with just the top being visible above the horizon, then more and more of it being revealed unlit it is clear of the horizon. I have never seen anything remotely like the vanishing point explanation given by flat earthers.

And there we have two Christian eyewitnesses to the fact that the sun does not rise as a point of light above the horizon, gradually getting bigger towards noon. And I would say there are many hundreds of thousands more Christian eyewitnesses to the same.

 

[Phil G]

Well, I for one must have missed your explanation of why the sun appears large at sunrise and sunset than it does at noon, even though it is further away at dawn and dusk than it is at noon.

You didn’t miss it. She never gave one.

 

[David Lamb]

King James Bible
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

Brilliant verse, but what does it have to do with the shape of the earth?

 

[David Lamb]

Not necessarily, have you seen the sunrise at precisely the right time ?

But regardless of the precise time, if the earth were flat, the sun should gradually look larger and large the nearer the time gets to midday, because noon is when the sun is nearest to the observer. After midday, the sun, if the earth were flat, should look smaller and smaller until it eventually disappears. But that is the opposite of what you said you have observed, that the sun looks larger around sunrise and sunset than it does at noon.

 

[Apple Sky]

But posted he has, and it remains there.

What does that tell you ?

 

[Phil G]

What does that tell you ?

It tells me that he persists in his lie, despite very obvious proof against it.

 

[Apple Sky]

Yes necessarily. Why wouldn’t it?

And yes I have gotten up very early to watch the sunrise. I live on the east coast of Ireland and so can be literally on the beach in about a ten minute walk.

And I can assure you that the sun does not start to appear as a point of light above the horizon and grow in size as the morning goes on. It rises from the horizon, first seeing the top of it until the full sun is seen.

This is my own eyewitness testimony, and it falsifies flat earth.

This doesn't prove the earth is a globe far from it.

Just ask google

 

[Phil G]

This doesn't prove the earth is a globe far from it.

Explain your own observation. You are now deflecting. This is what you do all the time. First you ignore the evidence, even the evidence you have seen with your own eyes. Then you eventually (after several days) get the point being made. But instead of pursuing the implications of the evidence, you distract and deflect onto something else. I suspect this is because you know it's going to start your house of cards to come down.

So explain the observation you have seen regarding the sun being bigger at sunrise and which you seem to have now realised is not in keeping with what should happen if the earth is flat.

 

[Apple Sky]

So explain the observation you have seen regarding the sun being bigger at sunrise and which you seem to have now realised is not in keeping with what should happen if the earth is flat.

Why would it be any different on a flat earth ?

 

[Phil G]

Why would it be any different on a flat earth ?

Because you said it yourself

I think I know what your on about now;

As the sun is at sun set (or rather the vanishing point) shouldn't the sun appear to come the same at sunrise, am I right ?

If flat earth is true and if vanishing point is true, then the sun should appear as a point of light at sunrise, gradually getting bigger as it approaches noon. Your own observation contradicts this. You have observed the sun being bigger at sunrise and getting smaller as it approaches noon.

I really don't know why you're not getting this. The glimmer of hope from earlier today seems now to be gone. It's as if you take a step forward and then immediately revert back into your indoctrinated mind.

 

[tharkun73]

The funny thing to me about all this is that if we really took the Bible literally on its cosmology, we would have to believe the sun and moon actually pass under the earth at sunset before coming back up at sunrise. The ANE had no concept of the sun and moon circling above the earth. So flat earth is wrong whether you take the Bible hyper-literally or not.

 

[Apple Sky]

If flat earth is true and if vanishing point is true, then the sun should appear as a point of light at sunrise, gradually getting bigger as it approaches noon.

And where did you get this little bit of info from? who says the sun should come back as dot ????????????

 

[Strong in Him]

What does that tell you ?

That he can't admit he is wrong and is misleading people.