Flat or round earth -The final experiment.

[Larniavc]

You try saying it!

Easy.

‘It’.

I shall get my coat.

 

[Larniavc]

No one says, "nah, I'm not a sinner, I don't need God and Jesus was just a good man. Oh, is the earth flat? Oh, I must be a sinner after all, and yes, of course Jesus was/is God."

I would go as far to say that people would say “Christians believe the Earth is flat?” Shake their heads and dismiss Christianity out of hand.

 

[Strong in Him]

I would go as far to say that people would say “Christians believe the Earth is flat?” Shake their heads and dismiss Christianity out of hand.

Yes, I agree.

 

[Apple Sky]

They are being deceived if they think they will get to heaven by doing good works.
They are being deceived if they believe that the "little" things that they do wrong don't matter and it is not a sin if they don't believe in God.
They are being deceived if they think they can treat God how they like in this life, and yet they will still be in heaven with him forever.
They are being deceived if they think that they can be saved apart from Jesus.

I have never heard of a non Christian changing their mind about sin, God, Jesus and the Bible because they have been told that the earth is flat and not a globe. No one says, "nah, I'm not a sinner, I don't need God and Jesus was just a good man. Oh, is the earth flat? Oh, I must be a sinner after all, and yes, of course Jesus was/is God."

They are being deceived mainly by believing in space ,aliens and UFO's & the vast amount of Galaxies, this in most none Christian's eyes makes one look upon God and his creation as being insignificant & half don't believe in what is written in the Bible anymore because of this.

It's mostly because of the way the earth, the universe & has been portrayed by NASA & Copernicus.

 

[David Lamb]

They are being deceived mainly by believing in space ,aliens and UFO's & the vast amount of Galaxies, this in most none Christian's eyes makes one look upon God and his creation as being insignificant & half don't believe in what is written in the Bible anymore because of this.

It's mostly because of the way the earth, the universe & has been portrayed by NASA & Copernicus.

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But, just like the shape of the earth, nowhere does the bible tell us that if we believe in "space ,aliens and UFO's & the vast amount of Galaxies" we won't be saved. (Incidentally, I believe in space and galaxies, but not UFOs and aliens. Space is just another name for what the bible calls "the heavens," and galaxies are groupings of many stars.)

 

[Larniavc]

It's mostly because of the way the earth, the universe & has been portrayed by NASA & Copernicus.

And all of the world save a very small fringe of over invested people.

 

[Strong in Him]

They are being deceived mainly by believing in space ,aliens and UFO's & the vast amount of Galaxies,

Which have nothing whatsoever to do with salvation, hearing the Gospel and receiving eternal life through Jesus.

 

[prodromos]

Yes - They are either painted or CGI.

Robert Simmon - AKA Mr. Blue Marble - NASA

Data Visualizer and Designer Robert Simmon never thought that he would become "Mr. Blue Marble."

www.nasa.gov

You respond with a link to an article about creating an image of the whole earth by stitching together thousands of images taken by satellites that are orbiting the earth, yet on the other hand you claim that there are no satellites orbiting the earth.

 

[Apple Sky]

You respond with a link to an article about creating an image of the whole earth by stitching together thousands of images taken by satellites that are orbiting the earth, yet on the other hand you claim that there are no satellites orbiting the earth.

Exactly.

 

[d taylor]

Yes, and many thousands of others DO believe God - and what's more give his word the respect it deserves by learning to interpret it correctly.
Saying, "the Bible says X therefore that is literally what God says" and dismissing all those who don't accept your view as "not trusting God", is not only false and underhand but is the behaviour I would expect from cult leaders.

Where are the exact words, "I, the Lord, am telling you that I created the world to be flat - and I command that you believe it." Or, "this is what the Lord says, 'you must believe that the earth is flat; it's very important and it is my will that you believe it' "?
Because if those words, or commands, aren't there, then there's no case to answer.

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Like i stated even if they were in The Bible people would not believe it . You prove my point, you can not even admit to the fact that there are people who do not believe clear to the point verses in The Bible.

Which i gave an example of, are verses stating that belief in Jesus gives a person eternal life/everlasting life. Maybe you are one of these people.

Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Personally i think you just like to argue, as long as i have seen you on threads like this. Repeating the same ole arguments over and over and this has gone on not for a month or two, but for years.

 

[David Lamb]

Exactly.

But don't you see the problem that raises? You have said repeatedly that satellites don't exist, yet here you are, posting a link to a site to support your notion that photos of the earth from space are fakes, and the site relies on the accuracy of those very photos. It says, for instance: "My role is to make imagery from Earth sciences data. I turn data into pictures. I look for new, interesting events that NASA’s satellites have seen or that are hidden in the latest data to find anything interesting that shows off NASA’s unique capabilities. Finding things is the fun part. I rely on engineers and scientists to produce the data. Their reliable, real-time, stream of 1.7 terabytes a day is incredible–the same as producing 3,000 CDs a day. We know where to look for the interesting stuff because each instrument provides a very specialized type of information. So if I am looking for something specific, I know where to look. For example, recently there was a volcanic eruption in the Red Sea. The only reliable imagery of this was from NASA satellites. We basically confirmed the existence of a new island."

 

[Strong in Him]

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Like i stated even if they were in The Bible people would not believe it . You prove my point, you can not even admit to the fact that there are people who do not believe clear to the point verses in The Bible.

You see certain words/phrases in the Bible and have interpreted them to mean that the earth is flat. But you can't provide the exact words, and clear teaching, that I have asked for.

And if God hasn't said, "I command you to believe the earth is flat", it's either because it isn't, or because it is not remotely important compared to salvation, Jesus and the Gospel.

 

[Strong in Him]

Exactly.

Exactly, what?

"Exactly, satellites don't exist but I'm going to quote someone who created a picture of the earth using images from satellites. And I expect you to believe it"?
"Exactly, I've made a mistake by expecting you to accept a picture that was created by things that I don't believe in"?

The first of those statements is ridiculous; the second, I would agree with.

 

[Strong in Him]

Personally i think you just like to argue, as long as i have seen you on threads like this. Repeating the same ole arguments over and over and this has gone on not for a month or two, but for years.

That's only because I care that Scripture is being misinterpreted and - often - scientific studies, experiments and study are being replaced by YouTube clips and nonsensical arguments.

And it hasn't been years; I only discovered this forum a year or so ago, and I'm not here every day.

 

[Apple Sky]

. It says, for instance: "My role is to make imagery from Earth sciences data. I turn data into pictures. I look for new, interesting events that NASA’s satellites have seen or that are hidden in the latest data to find anything interesting that shows off NASA’s unique capabilities. Finding things is the fun part. I rely on engineers and scientists to produce the data. Their reliable, real-time, stream of 1.7 terabytes a day is incredible–the same as producing 3,000 CDs a day. We know where to look for the interesting stuff because each instrument provides a very specialized type of information. So if I am looking for something specific, I know where to look. For example, recently there was a volcanic eruption in the Red Sea. The only reliable imagery of this was from NASA satellites. We basically confirmed the existence of a new island.

How do we know NASA's data is right ?

 

[Apple Sky]

But, just like the shape of the earth, nowhere does the bible tell us that if we believe in "space ,aliens and UFO's & the vast amount of Galaxies" we won't be saved. (Incidentally, I believe in space and galaxies, but not UFOs and aliens. Space is just another name for what the bible calls "the heavens," and galaxies are groupings of many stars.)

My post was about none Christians.

Which have nothing whatsoever to do with salvation, hearing the Gospel and receiving eternal life through Jesus.

Once again, my post was about none Christians.

 

[Apple Sky]

That's only because I care that Scripture is being misinterpreted

This is the reason I post what I do.

 

[Strong in Him]

Once again, my post was about none Christians.

It doesn't matter - the shape of the earth has nothing to do with salvation or the Gospel, full stop.

You think that non Christians who believe the earth is a globe are deceived? How will being told that it is flat lead them to accept Jesus?
And don't repeat your wild claim that "they will realise the Bible is true", because I've talked to non Christians and it doesn't happen. No one comes to faith in Christ because the earth is a different shape than they believed it to be.

 

[Apple Sky]

It doesn't matter - the shape of the earth has nothing to do with salvation or the Gospel, full stop.

You think that non Christians who believe the earth is a globe are deceived? How will being told that it is flat lead them to accept Jesus?
And don't repeat your wild claim that "they will realise the Bible is true", because I've talked to non Christians and it doesn't happen. No one comes to faith in Christ because the earth is a different shape than they believed it to be.

Tell this to Dean Odle as in his book 'Like Clay Under the Seal' there are many who have been saved b/c of F/E

 

[Strong in Him]

Tell this to Dean Odle as in his book 'Like Clay Under the Seal' there are many who have been saved b/c of F/E

There are lots of things I'd like to say to Dean Odle, but this isn't one of them.

Why should I take the guy seriously when he publicly says, "let's go to Antarctica. If there is a 24 hour sun, the earth is a globe, if there isn't, it's flat", turns down a free ticket when such an expedition is organised and then criticises and denies the results of the expedition because they weren't what he wanted them to be? He wasn't even there and he still claimed it had been faked.