How do we set aside the grace of God?

[fli]

Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV

What does Paul mean by “set aside the grace of God?” It definitely has something to do with the law. Paul stated “If righteousness came through the law Christ died in vain.”


1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. NKJV


As Paul states in the above everything is legal for those who are in Christ. Romans 7 God considers everyone in Jesus to have died with Him. Being dead means that we are not under the law as dead people cannot sin. Therefore, God will not impute sin to those in Jesus. We have liberty to sin.


Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." NKJV


Paul warns us about using our liberty as an opportunity to please our flesh. Then he cites that all the law is fulfilled by the OT law of “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Does this mean that we have to “Love our neighbor as our self” to be saved by Jesus? No!


Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. NKJV

Our righteousness is apart from the law. That means that our righteousness has nothing to do with our doing any OT law.


Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV


God imputes righteousness apart from doing any works. The above scripture is a 2-edged sword. For those who do not work their faith is accounted for righteousness. It also means that if one is doing a work to be righteous, they do not believe in Jesus. If anyone believes in Jesus, then that belief in Jesus is their righteousness. How could they believe Jesus makes them righteous, if they are working to be righteous?

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV


Again, the above scripture is a two-edged sword. If anyone believes in Jesus, He is the end of the law for righteousness. That means if you believe in Jesus you do not get any righteousness by doing works of the law.


It also means if anyone is doing works to be righteous, they do not believe that Jesus makes them righteous. If Jesus made them righteous then why do they need to work to be righteous?


That is what Paul means by setting aside grace. If anyone does any work to be righteous, they are setting aside the grace of God. God gives us grace so we do not need to work for righteousness.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. NKJV

Some Galatians had been convinced they had to trust in circumcision. Circumcision has noting to do with righteousness.(It was a requirement for those in the first covenant) If they got circumcised, believing they needed to for salvation, they would set aside the grace of God. If anyone sets grace aside the only way left to be righteous is by doing the law. We know no one will be made righteous by the law because no one except Jesus could do the law without committing sin.

Then why did Paul tell us to “love our neighbor as our self” to be righteous?

Paul has just gone through several chapters explaining how faith in Jesus is so much better than being under the law, he is not going to now tell the Galatians to do the law, the law is one entire unit not separate parts. He is telling them not to use the liberty in Jesus to satisfy their lusts. We do not lose salvation if we die under discipline, which if we use our liberty to satisfy our lusts we will die under discipline.


Galatians 2:20(a) I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; (b) and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV


The answer to why Paul told us, to love our neighbor as ourselves, is in the above scriptures. Verse 20 b the life that Paul lived in the flesh he lived by faith in Jesus. That is the way all the sons of God live.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV

By accepting discipline, we prove that we are sons of God. Verse 12 we should not live to satisfy the flesh. If we live to the flesh we will die physically. Any of the elect (remember David and Bathsheba) could fall into temptation and quit walking in the Spirit. If this happens Jesus will start discipline, ending in our physical death , if we do not repent. This is what Paul meant by the life he now lives he lives by faith in Jesus. Paul had faith that if he continued to obey Jesus' commands that he would accomplish everything God had planned for him to do. Romans 13:8 We are under the law of love. If we fulfill the law of love we will continue to live physically. If we stop fulfilling the law of love we will die and go to heaven under discipline. 1Corinthians 11:32 God disciplines us so we will not be judged by the world.

 

[d taylor]

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Gentiles can not set aside the grace of God like what Paul is referring to in Galatians. Gentiles believers now can set aside the grace of God by going back into the world and living life apart from God, trying to complete their life on their own.

 

[fli]

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Gentiles can not set aside the grace of God like what Paul is referring to in Galatians. Gentiles believers now can set aside the grace of God by going back into the world and living life apart from God, trying to complete their life on their own.

Try to convince me by citing the appropriate scriptures.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

Gentiles can not set aside the grace of God like what Paul is referring to in Galatians. Gentiles believers now can set aside the grace of God by going back into the world and living life apart from God, trying to complete their life on their own.​

The Galatian Christians were likely mostly Gentiles, since Paul was the Apostle to the Gentilies. His argument to Peter in the second chapter also indicates they were mostly Gentiles. Besides that point, we many Christian Gentiles today working hard for their salvation.

 

[NewLifeInChristJesus]

That is what Paul means by setting aside grace. If anyone does any work to be righteous, they are setting aside the grace of God. God gives us grace so we do not need to work for righteousness.

You answered your own question.

 

[Hoping2]

Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV
What does Paul mean by “set aside the grace of God?” It definitely has something to do with the law. Paul stated “If righteousness came through the law Christ died in vain.”

Your version of the KJ bible messed up the verse.
It should read..."I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."
Using something besides the grace of God for our justification, means Jesus died for nothing that couldn't have been done some other way.

1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. NKJV
As Paul states in the above everything is legal for those who are in Christ. Romans 7 God considers everyone in Jesus to have died with Him. Being dead means that we are not under the law as dead people cannot sin. Therefore, God will not impute sin to those in Jesus. We have liberty to sin.

You are waaay off base.
"Liberty to sin" ?????
If we are dead with Christ, and raised with Him to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), we won't commit any sin !

Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." NKJV
Paul warns us about using our liberty as an opportunity to please our flesh. Then he cites that all the law is fulfilled by the OT law of “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Does this mean that we have to “Love our neighbor as our self” to be saved by Jesus? No!

WHAAAT ????
That isn't what Paul wrote, in Gal 5:19-21..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. NKJV
Our righteousness is apart from the law. That means that our righteousness has nothing to do with our doing any OT law.

You are correct here: and the righteous don't serve the flesh-sin.

Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV
God imputes righteousness apart from doing any works. The above scripture is a 2-edged sword. For those who do not work their faith is accounted for righteousness. It also means that if one is doing a work to be righteous, they do not believe in Jesus. If anyone believes in Jesus, then that belief in Jesus is their righteousness. How could they believe Jesus makes them righteous, if they are working to be righteous?

The "works" in question above, are the works of the Law.

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV
Again, the above scripture is a two-edged sword. If anyone believes in Jesus, He is the end of the law for righteousness. That means if you believe in Jesus you do not get any righteousness by doing works of the law.

I agree with that.
What is important, is now written in the heart; and it consists of loving God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength...and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves.
That is who we are, after being reborn of God's seed.

It also means if anyone is doing works to be righteous, they do not believe that Jesus makes them righteous. If Jesus made them righteous then why do they need to work to be righteous?

The righteous do righteous deeds, because they are righteous !

That is what Paul means by setting aside grace. If anyone does any work to be righteous, they are setting aside the grace of God. God gives us grace so we do not need to work for righteousness.

I am surprised you got the correct meaning from a wrong printed definition.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. NKJV

Some Galatians had been convinced they had to trust in circumcision. Circumcision has noting to do with righteousness.(It was a requirement for those in the first covenant) If they got circumcised, believing they needed to for salvation, they would set aside the grace of God. If anyone sets grace aside the only way left to be righteous is by doing the law. We know no one will be made righteous by the law because no one except Jesus could do the law without committing sin.

Then why did Paul tell us to “love our neighbor as our self” to be righteous?

Paul has just gone through several chapters explaining how faith in Jesus is so much better than being under the law, he is not going to now tell the Galatians to do the law, the law is one entire unit not separate parts. He is telling them not to use the liberty in Jesus to satisfy their lusts. We do not lose salvation if we die under discipline, which if we use our liberty to satisfy our lusts we will die under discipline.

On the day of judgement all men will be judged on their lives.
Sinners will be cast unto the lake of fire, and the righteous will inherit eternal life.

Galatians 2:20(a) I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; (b) and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV
The answer to why Paul told us, to love our neighbor as ourselves, is in the above scriptures. Verse 20 b the life that Paul lived in the flesh he lived by faith in Jesus. That is the way all the sons of God live.

Yes.
So why did you earlier write "We have liberty to sin." ?

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV
By accepting discipline, we prove that we are sons of God. Verse 12 we should not live to satisfy the flesh. If we live to the flesh we will die physically. Any of the elect (remember David and Bathsheba) could fall into temptation and quit walking in the Spirit. If this happens Jesus will start discipline, ending in our physical death , if we do not repent. This is what Paul meant by the life he now lives he lives by faith in Jesus. Paul had faith that if he continued to obey Jesus' commands that he would accomplish everything God had planned for him to do. Romans 13:8 We are under the law of love. If we fulfill the law of love we will continue to live physically. If we stop fulfilling the law of love we will die and go to heaven under discipline. 1Corinthians 11:32 God disciplines us so we will not be judged by the world.

It isn't a physical death sinners will suffer, but the second eternal death that the unrepentant will endure.

 

[d taylor]

Try to convince me by citing the appropriate scriptures.

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Why, why do i need to convince you. I personally have no stake in what you believe, I am not your teacher.

 

[d taylor]

The Galatian Christians were likely mostly Gentiles, since Paul was the Apostle to the Gentilies. His argument to Peter in the second chapter also indicates they were mostly Gentiles. Besides that point, we many Christian Gentiles today working hard for their salvation.

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Well in the context of chapter 2 this is addressing the Judaizers and their beliefs.

 

[fli]

Your version of the KJ bible messed up the verse.
It should read..."I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain."
Using something besides the grace of God for our justification, means Jesus died for nothing that couldn't have been done some other way.

To set aside grace is when they use anything else to be righteous besides Jesus. I know people that say they believe in Christ, yet they say they have to obey Leviticus 19: 18 love your neighbor as you love yourself. Their justification is Luke 10: 25-28 where Jesus told a lawyer who tested Him to obey that law. Why they don't also believe they have to love God with all their heart etc etc I do not know. Therefore, the people who tell me they have to obey Leviticus 19:18 do not believe that Jesus makes them righteous as they have to do the law to be righteous. As I said Romans 10: 4 is a 2-edged sword. Christ is the end of the law only to those who believe that He makes them righteous. No one will be righteous by works of the law. So, they frustrate, or set aside, the grace of God by using the law for righteousness.

You are waaay off base.
"Liberty to sin" ?????
If we are dead with Christ, and raised with Him to walk in newness of life, (Rom 6:4), we won't commit any sin !

Sin will not be imputed to us. But we have to walk in the spirit, obey Jesus' convictions to stay in the Spirit.

Paul states we have been called to liberty; He is warning us against that using that liberty for us to sin.

1 Timothy 1:20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme. NKJV

There are 2 men who are using that liberty to blaspheme God. Because Paul said that He has turned them over it means they have been turned over to Satan. Paul is disciplining them by turning them over to Satan, by the authority God gave him. To be turned over to Satan they have to be in the kingdom of God, meaning they are in Jesus. Please do not use the fact that Paul is doing it to say God is not disciplining them.

1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV

Paul knows when turning people over to Satan is appropriate discipline. To be turned over to Satan one must be in the kingdom of God, in Jesus. They are being disciplined so they will not be judged with the world. If they die under discipline they will die and go to heaven. If they repent, they will not die but continue living in the Lord. They are using their liberty to sin; they are receiving their punishment now. When Christians die in Jesus under discipline they receive their punishment by the discipline. By John 3:18 there is no condemnation in Jesus.

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God's fellow workers; you are God's field; you are God's building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one's work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire. NKJV

The foundation is Jesus. Those men Paul turned over to Satan have the foundation. They are building on that foundation with wood, straw and hay. When they die, they will get into heaven smelling of smoke. They will not be judged again at the end of time. When God forgives sins, or disciplines sins, he does not remember them anymore.

WHAAAT ????
That isn't what Paul wrote, in Gal 5:19-21..."Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God."

You are correct here: and the righteous don't serve the flesh-sin.

The "works" in question above, are the works of the Law.

Galatians 5:19-21is one of, I believe, 3 such lists.


1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. NKJV

Above is one other list. Notice Paul started out with “the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.” I cite 1 Corinthians 3:9-15 in my last reply above. The unrighteous man being built will be burnt off when they die. The unrighteous man being built will never enter heaven. There is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus. Therefore, the man who believes in Jesus is left after the straw is burnt away. That man gets into heaven because God forgave the sins that He disciplined. He does smell of snoke.

I agree with that.
What is important, is now written in the heart; and it consists of loving God with all our heart, soul, mind, and strength...and loving our neighbor as we love ourselves.
That is who we are, after being reborn of God's seed.

The righteous do righteous deeds, because they are righteous !

Our righteousness is because we have faith in Jesus.

Romans 4:6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV

Our righteousness is apart from our works because God imputes Jesus' righteousness to us. Our works cannot improve on what Jesus did. Our works cannot take away from Jesus' righteousness or our righteousness. Thats the way it is as long as we are in Jesus. The only way to be kicked out of Jesus is to refuse to be disciplined. If Jesus tells us to quit a sin or He will make us sick, then throw us into great tribulation resulting in our death us unless we repent. If we let Him discipline us as stated, we will die and go to heaven if we don't repent. By letting Jesus kill us we prove we love Jesus more than the world. We have put to death our sins by the Spirit.

I am surprised you got the correct meaning from a wrong printed definition.

On the day of judgement all men will be judged on their lives.
Sinners will be cast unto the lake of fire, and the righteous will inherit eternal life.

Yes.
So why did you earlier write "We have liberty to sin." ?

It isn't a physical death sinners will suffer, but the second eternal death that the unrepentant will endure.

I believe that I explained that above. We have the liberty to sin, but we will pay for taking that liberty.


to d taylor,

without scripture to justify your beliefs it's just your opinion. I don't care what your opinion is so please refrain from replying to me unless you have scripture to back it up.

 

[Hoping2]

To set aside grace is when they use anything else to be righteous besides Jesus.

Agreed.

I know people that say they believe in Christ, yet they say they have to obey Leviticus 19: 18 love your neighbor as you love yourself.

Doesn't loving God entail that ?
How can we love God, but hate neighbor ?

Their justification is Luke 10: 25-28 where Jesus told a lawyer who tested Him to obey that law. Why they don't also believe they have to love God with all their heart etc etc I do not know. Therefore, the people who tell me they have to obey Leviticus 19:18 do not believe that Jesus makes them righteous as they have to do the law to be righteous. As I said Romans 10: 4 is a 2-edged sword. Christ is the end of the law only to those who believe that He makes them righteous. No one will be righteous by works of the law. So, they frustrate, or set aside, the grace of God by using the law for righteousness.

No, their justification isn't Luke 10:25-28.
Obedience to what is written in their heart, coincidently also in the Law; is simply the result of being reborn of God's seed.
Their mistake is in saying "they have to...", instead of saying..."we can now...".

Sin will not be imputed to us. But we have to walk in the spirit, obey Jesus' convictions to stay in the Spirit.

Sin will only NOT be imputed to those who don't commit sin.
A true reckoning will occur on the day of judgement.

Paul states we have been called to liberty; He is warning us against that using that liberty for us to sin.

Yes, he did, in Gal 5:13.

1 Timothy 1:20 of whom are Hymenaeus and Alexander, whom I delivered to Satan that they may learn not to blaspheme. NKJV
There are 2 men who are using that liberty to blaspheme God. Because Paul said that He has turned them over it means they have been turned over to Satan. Paul is disciplining them by turning them over to Satan, by the authority God gave him. To be turned over to Satan they have to be in the kingdom of God, meaning they are in Jesus. Please do not use the fact that Paul is doing it to say God is not disciplining them.

You are implying, then, that there is sin in God.
It wasn't discipline Hy and Al suffered, but expulsion from the true brotherhood.
Darkness cannot survive in the light.

1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV
Paul knows when turning people over to Satan is appropriate discipline. To be turned over to Satan one must be in the kingdom of God, in Jesus.

Not necessarily.
If they are servants of sin, the devil is their master.
They were never in Christ in the first place.

They are being disciplined so they will not be judged with the world. If they die under discipline they will die and go to heaven.

Not likely.
Only a true repentance form sin will afford them participation in the body of Christ.

If they repent, they will not die but continue living in the Lord.

If they repent, they can start a life in the Lord, in the light.
Their sin showed they weren't in the Lord, previously.

They are using their liberty to sin; they are receiving their punishment now. When Christians die in Jesus under discipline they receive their punishment by the discipline. By John 3:18 there is no condemnation in Jesus.

There are also no sinners in Jesus.
Those doing unrighteousness are not in Christ.
They were posers.

The foundation is Jesus. Those men Paul turned over to Satan have the foundation.

Ho, they didn't.
If they had, they would not have fallen.

They are building on that foundation with wood, straw and hay. When they die, they will get into heaven smelling of smoke. They will not be judged again at the end of time. When God forgives sins, or disciplines sins, he does not remember them anymore.

Unless they turn from darkness, sin, flesh, affections, and lusts, they were never Christ's in the first place. (Gal 5:24)

Galatians 5:19-21is one of, I believe, 3 such lists.
1 Corinthians 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. NKJV

Above is one other list. Notice Paul started out with “the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God.” I cite 1 Corinthians 3:9-15 in my last reply above. The unrighteous man being built will be burnt off when they die. The unrighteous man being built will never enter heaven. There is no condemnation for those who believe in Jesus. Therefore, the man who believes in Jesus is left after the straw is burnt away. That man gets into heaven because God forgave the sins that He disciplined. He does smell of snoke.

Had he believed in Jesus, he would not have served sin.
"No man can serve two masters...he will love one and hate the other." (Matt 6:24)
Sinners hate God...according to Jesus.

Our righteousness is because we have faith in Jesus.

I agree, and the unrighteous are unrighteous because they have no faith in Jesus.

Romans 4:6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV
Our righteousness is apart from our works because God imputes Jesus' righteousness to us. Our works cannot improve on what Jesus did. Our works cannot take away from Jesus' righteousness or our righteousness. Thats the way it is as long as we are in Jesus. The only way to be kicked out of Jesus is to refuse to be disciplined. If Jesus tells us to quit a sin or He will make us sick, then throw us into great tribulation resulting in our death us unless we repent. If we let Him discipline us as stated, we will die and go to heaven if we don't repent. By letting Jesus kill us we prove we love Jesus more than the world. We have put to death our sins by the Spirit.

Our righteousness is the proof of our love for God and of our belief in Jesus Christ.
The unrighteous have neither.

I believe that I explained that above. We have the liberty to sin, but we will pay for taking that liberty.

Sin will always be within reach, but the righteous will always reject it.
It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)

 

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God's grace concerning Eternal Life is reveled in God's free gift of Eternal Life and how this gift is received. Which is only by belief in Jesus.
God's grace was never meant to be received by following the law or in contemporary belief away from the law, obedience to Jesus or following Jesus in ones life, repenting of sins, being baptized, etc...

This is what Paul is addressing when he is speaking about setting aside God's grace

And certain men came down from Judea and taught the brethren, “Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved.”

The setting aside of God's grace is when an addition is added to only belief in Jesus, in receiving God's free gift of Eternal life

The Judaizers added circumcision, in condemnatory times much has been added to belief in Jesus , depends on the denomination and church . To corrupt the grace of God's free gift of Eternal Life by belief in Jesus.

 

[fli]

Agreed.

Doesn't loving God entail that ?
How can we love God, but hate neighbor ?

The reason for sanctification is to get us to the place that we act like His children. We do not come in already sanctified.

No, their justification isn't Luke 10:25-28.
Obedience to what is written in their heart, coincidently also in the Law; is simply the result of being reborn of God's seed.
Their mistake is in saying "they have to...", instead of saying..."we can now...".

Sin will only NOT be imputed to those who don't commit sin.
A true reckoning will occur on the day of judgement.

That is the scripture they used to justify just why they had to observe the law of loving their neighbor.

Yes, he did, in Gal 5:13.

You are implying, then, that there is sin in God.
It wasn't discipline Hy and Al suffered, but expulsion from the true brotherhood.
Darkness cannot survive in the light.

You are all wrong on that. There are only two kingdoms. God does not discipline anyone unless they are in His kingdom.

1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV

If Satan taught those in His kingdom to not sin, blaspheme, his kingdom could not stand. Therefore, the two men were righteous, and God disciplined them to be more sanctified. As you can read from the bold part God disciplines His people to keep them from being judged with the world. If God then turned around and judged them at the end of the age they would be judged with the world.

Not necessarily.
If they are servants of sin, the devil is their master.
They were never in Christ in the first place.

Not likely.
Only a true repentance form sin will afford them participation in the body of Christ.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." NKJV

God granted them repentance when they believed in Jesus. Are you saying God's granted repentance is not good enough to enter His kingdom?
That's all I have time for now.

 

[fli]

Agreed.

Doesn't loving God entail that ?
How can we love God, but hate neighbor ?

No, their justification isn't Luke 10:25-28.
Obedience to what is written in their heart, coincidently also in the Law; is simply the result of being reborn of God's seed.
Their mistake is in saying "they have to...", instead of saying..."we can now...".

Sin will only NOT be imputed to those who don't commit sin.
A true reckoning will occur on the day of judgement.

Yes, he did, in Gal 5:13.

You are implying, then, that there is sin in God.
It wasn't discipline Hy and Al suffered, but expulsion from the true brotherhood.
Darkness cannot survive in the light.
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Not necessarily.
If they are servants of sin, the devil is their master.
They were never in Christ in the first place.

Not likely.
Only a true repentance form sin will afford them participation in the body of Christ.

If they repent, they can start a life in the Lord, in the light.
Their sin showed they weren't in the Lord, previously.

There are also no sinners in Jesus.
Those doing unrighteousness are not in Christ.
They were posers.

Ho, they didn't.
If they had, they would not have fallen.

Unless they turn from darkness, sin, flesh, affections, and lusts, they were never Christ's in the first place. (Gal 5:24)

Had he believed in Jesus, he would not have served sin.
"No man can serve two masters...he will love one and hate the other." (Matt 6:24)
Sinners hate God...according to Jesus.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. 19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. 20 Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. NKJV

Paul in the above scripture admits that he is a sinner. If there were no sinners in Christ no one would be there.

I agree, and the unrighteous are unrighteous because they have no faith in Jesus.

Our righteousness is the proof of our love for God and of our belief in Jesus Christ.
The unrighteous have neither.

Sin will always be within reach, but the righteous will always reject it.
It is written..."There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God is faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear it." (1 Cor 10:13)

It seems to me everything to you is either black or white. Just because we are in Jesus doesn't mean we immediately are sinless. Read 1cor5 the young man involved with his father's wife was in Jesus. Read Revelation 2 about Jezebel and those of her children. men in the church who followed her doctrine, they were all in Jesus. I know they were because God is getting ready to discipline them. I suspect they are in the early stage of sanctification, and some will reject discipline and lose salvation.

Another thing, because I said that we have liberty to sin, I am not saying that we have permission to sin, nor am I encouraging anyone to go out and sin. I am stating what Paul has said. Paul said that where sin abounds, grace abounds more. The legalist thought they heard Paul say, "Go ahead and sin because when sin abounds grace abounds more. "

 

[Hoping2]

The reason for sanctification is to get us to the place that we act like His children. We do not come in already sanctified.

I was sanctified by the blood of Christ at my "immersion" into Him, His death, burial, and resurrection.
So our experiences differ.

That is the scripture they used to justify just why they had to observe the law of loving their neighbor.

You gotta realize that Jesus was talking to an OT man, and in OT terms.
We have better, and more up to date scriptures for why we serve God with love and obedience, now.

You are all wrong on that. There are only two kingdoms. God does not discipline anyone unless they are in His kingdom.
1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV
If Satan taught those in His kingdom to not sin, blaspheme, his kingdom could not stand. Therefore, the two men were righteous, and God disciplined them to be more sanctified. As you can read from the bold part God disciplines His people to keep them from being judged with the world. If God then turned around and judged them at the end of the age they would be judged with the world.

Which ever kingdom a man stands in is determined by Whom he serves.
Servants of sin are not in God's kingdom.
Where they stand after being disciplined, determines their fate.

Acts 11:18 When they heard these things they became silent; and they glorified God, saying, "Then God has also granted to the Gentiles repentance to life." NKJV
God granted them repentance when they believed in Jesus. Are you saying God's granted repentance is not good enough to enter His kingdom?

Cornelius' repentance was written of before Peter even met him: earlier in Acts 10.
He would not have been converted/saved without being baptized into Christ for the remission of his past sins, or the reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And even then, he still needed to remain faithful until his end.

 

[fli]

I was sanctified by the blood of Christ at my "immersion" into Him, His death, burial, and resurrection.
So our experiences differ.

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. NKJV


Galatians 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. NKJV


Because Paul wrote the above, I got the idea that sanctification was a lifetime process. I really thought as long as we were in the flesh God still had more to sins to put to death.

You gotta realize that Jesus was talking to an OT man, and in OT terms.
We have better, and more up to date scriptures for why we serve God with love and obedience, now.

John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. NKJV

Jesus also knew that the man was not one of His. He did not come to Jesus to find his savior.

Which ever kingdom a man stands in is determined by Whom he serves.
Servants of sin are not in God's kingdom.
Where they stand after being disciplined, determines their fate.

Romans 7:19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. NKJV

Since Paul was still practicing sin, he must have been in Satan's kingdom.

Cornelius' repentance was written of before Peter even met him: earlier in Acts 10.
He would not have been converted/saved without being baptized into Christ for the remission of his past sins, or the reception of the gift of the Holy Ghost.
And even then, he still needed to remain faithful until his end.

So why did God grant him repentance?

 

[Hoping2]

Romans 7:14 For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am carnal, sold under sin. 15 For what I am doing, I do not understand. For what I will to do, that I do not practice; but what I hate, that I do. 16 If, then, I do what I will not to do, I agree with the law that it is good. 17 But now, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. NKJV
Galatians 2:11 Now when Peter had come to Antioch, I withstood him to his face, because he was to be blamed; 12 for before certain men came from James, he would eat with the Gentiles; but when they came, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing those who were of the circumcision. NKJV
Because Paul wrote the above, I got the idea that sanctification was a lifetime process. I really thought as long as we were in the flesh God still had more to sins to put to death.

You were mistaken.
We are sanctified by the blood of Christ: the fulfilment of the OT's blood sanctifications.
We do however, grow in grace and knowledge.
Paul's Rom 7 experience is a recollection of his days still in the flesh, wherein he unsuccessfully tried to please God with Law keeping.
And where is the sin in condescending to Jewish visitors ?
Peter's fault was his mistaken belief that the Law still held some sort of power over a man.

John 2:24 But Jesus did not commit Himself to them, because He knew all men, 25 and had no need that anyone should testify of man, for He knew what was in man. NKJV
Jesus also knew that the man was not one of His. He did not come to Jesus to find his savior.

Perhaps.

Romans 7:19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. NKJV
Since Paul was still practicing sin, he must have been in Satan's kingdom.

This is Paul's narrative of his preconversion life in the flesh. (Rom 7:5)
When he wrote it, he was living life in the Spirit.

So why did God grant him repentance?

The quick answer, is that he had faith.

 

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Galatians 2:21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV

I believe in context the law Paul was referring to is circumcision Gal 2:3 and no one was ever saved by being circumcised what the Jews were teaching Acts 15:1 and what Paul was constantly correcting, the teaching that they could save themselves by being circumcised without the blood of Christ apart from Him.

What does Paul mean by “set aside the grace of God?” It definitely has something to do with the law. Paul stated “If righteousness came through the law Christ died in vain.”


1 Corinthians 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but all things are not helpful. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be brought under the power of any. 13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God both raised up the Lord and will also raise us up by His power. NKJV


As Paul states in the above everything is legal for those who are in Christ. Romans 7 God considers everyone in Jesus to have died with Him. Being dead means that we are not under the law as dead people cannot sin. Therefore, God will not impute sin to those in Jesus. We have liberty to sin.


Galatians 5:13 For you, brethren, have been called to liberty; only do not use liberty as an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. 14 For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." NKJV


Paul warns us about using our liberty as an opportunity to please our flesh. Then he cites that all the law is fulfilled by the OT law of “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.” Does this mean that we have to “Love our neighbor as our self” to be saved by Jesus? No!


Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. NKJV

Our righteousness is apart from the law. That means that our righteousness has nothing to do with our doing any OT law.


Romans 4:5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: NKJV


God imputes righteousness apart from doing any works. The above scripture is a 2-edged sword. For those who do not work their faith is accounted for righteousness. It also means that if one is doing a work to be righteous, they do not believe in Jesus. If anyone believes in Jesus, then that belief in Jesus is their righteousness. How could they believe Jesus makes them righteous, if they are working to be righteous?

Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. NKJV


Again, the above scripture is a two-edged sword. If anyone believes in Jesus, He is the end of the law for righteousness. That means if you believe in Jesus you do not get any righteousness by doing works of the law.


It also means if anyone is doing works to be righteous, they do not believe that Jesus makes them righteous. If Jesus made them righteous then why do they need to work to be righteous?


That is what Paul means by setting aside grace. If anyone does any work to be righteous, they are setting aside the grace of God. God gives us grace so we do not need to work for righteousness.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free, and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love. NKJV

Some Galatians had been convinced they had to trust in circumcision. Circumcision has noting to do with righteousness.(It was a requirement for those in the first covenant) If they got circumcised, believing they needed to for salvation, they would set aside the grace of God. If anyone sets grace aside the only way left to be righteous is by doing the law. We know no one will be made righteous by the law because no one except Jesus could do the law without committing sin.

Then why did Paul tell us to “love our neighbor as our self” to be righteous?

Paul has just gone through several chapters explaining how faith in Jesus is so much better than being under the law, he is not going to now tell the Galatians to do the law, the law is one entire unit not separate parts. He is telling them not to use the liberty in Jesus to satisfy their lusts. We do not lose salvation if we die under discipline, which if we use our liberty to satisfy our lusts we will die under discipline.


Galatians 2:20(a) I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; (b) and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God; for if righteousness comes through the law, then Christ died in vain." NKJV


The answer to why Paul told us, to love our neighbor as ourselves, is in the above scriptures. Verse 20 b the life that Paul lived in the flesh he lived by faith in Jesus. That is the way all the sons of God live.

Romans 8:12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors — not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. 13 For if you live according to the flesh you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live. 14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. NKJV

By accepting discipline, we prove that we are sons of God. Verse 12 we should not live to satisfy the flesh. If we live to the flesh we will die physically. Any of the elect (remember David and Bathsheba) could fall into temptation and quit walking in the Spirit. If this happens Jesus will start discipline, ending in our physical death , if we do not repent. This is what Paul meant by the life he now lives he lives by faith in Jesus. Paul had faith that if he continued to obey Jesus' commands that he would accomplish everything God had planned for him to do. Romans 13:8 We are under the law of love. If we fulfill the law of love we will continue to live physically. If we stop fulfilling the law of love we will die and go to heaven under discipline. 1Corinthians 11:32 God disciplines us so we will not be judged by the world.

We are told Paul can be hard to understand so I believe we should really prayerfully study what he is saying and compare it to other Scriptures and especially to the teachings of Jesus Christ
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You seem to be making a case that Paul supported lawlessness (sinning 1 John 3:4), but I do not believe that is what he was teaching..

How do you reconcile these verses from Paul?

Rom 2:13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin (break the law) that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it?

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.

Rom 2:21 You, therefore, who teach another, do you not teach yourself? You who preach that a man should not steal, do you steal?
Rom 2:22 You who say, "Do not commit adultery," do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples?
Rom 2:23 You who make your boast in the law, do you dishonor God through breaking the law?

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness,
Gal 5:20 idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.

Rom 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.

1Co 7:19 Circumcision is nothing and uncircumcision is nothing, but keeping the commandments of God is what matters.

Paul never taught lawlessness in teaching or in action. More importantly what did Jesus teach? He never taught it in teaching or action either.


While we are not saved or made righteous by keeping God's Laws, we are only made righteous by faith through Jesus. Our obedience to God leads to righteousness

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

If we are abiding in Christ, would one really be worshipping other gods, or stealing or breaking the least of these commandments Mat 5:19. Not according to Jesus.

Joh 15:10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.

Sin or breaking God's law is rebellion and unbelief. Belief would lead to obedience, not the other way around.

Heb 3:7 Therefore, as the Holy Spirit says: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE,
Heb 3:8 DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION, IN THE DAY OF TRIAL IN THE WILDERNESS,
Heb 3:9 WHERE YOUR FATHERS TESTED ME, TRIED ME, AND SAW MY WORKS FORTY YEARS.
Heb 3:10 THEREFORE I WAS ANGRY WITH THAT GENERATION, AND SAID, 'THEY ALWAYS GO ASTRAY IN THEIR HEART, AND THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN MY WAYS.'
Heb 3:11 SO I SWORE IN MY WRATH, 'THEY SHALL NOT ENTER MY REST.' "
Heb 3:12 Beware, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief in departing from the living God;
Heb 3:13 but exhort one another daily, while it is called "TODAY," lest any of you be hardened through the deceitfulness of sin.
Heb 3:14 For we have become partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast to the end,
Heb 3:15 while it is said: "TODAY, IF YOU WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, DO NOT HARDEN YOUR HEARTS AS IN THE REBELLION."
Heb 3:16 For who, having heard, rebelled? Indeed, was it not all who came out of Egypt, led by Moses?
Heb 3:17 Now with whom was He angry forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose corpses fell in the wilderness?
Heb 3:18 And to whom did He swear that they would not enter His rest, but to those who did not obey?
Heb 3:19 So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.


Keeping God's Laws is an outward reflection that our inside has been changed by Jesus and it is a consequence of salvation, not a means to it.

Rev 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter through the gates into the city.

 

[fli]

You were mistaken.
We are sanctified by the blood of Christ: the fulfilment of the OT's blood sanctifications.
We do however, grow in grace and knowledge.
Paul's Rom 7 experience is a recollection of his days still in the flesh, wherein he unsuccessfully tried to please God with Law keeping.
And where is the sin in condescending to Jewish visitors ?
Peter's fault was his mistaken belief that the Law still held some sort of power over a man.

In your reply number 10 you stated that “Sin will only not be imputed to those who don't commit sin.”

In reply number 16 to were Paul admitted to still committing sin you said that he was just remembering to when he tried to be righteous when he was under the law.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. NKJV

Verse 25 above describes Paul's condition that enables him to walk in the Spirit so God will not impute sin to him. How do I know Paul continued to sin?

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. NKJV

Because Paul admits that in his flesh nothing good dwells in him. But Christ was in him, how could he say nothing good dwells in his flesh? Because Jesus dwells in the new spirit man that was born when Jesus entered him. Jesus had a choice whether He should kill the flesh, take him to heaven, or let him continue to live and do the works He had planned for Paul. How do I know this?

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. NKJV

Was Paul physically crucified with Christ? No. He was spiritually crucified with Christ. Because he was not physically crucified, his flesh was still alive and contained his new spiritual man. He kept living in the flesh by faith in Jesus. Why did he need faith in Christ to live physically?

Romans 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. NKJV

The reason Paul had to walk in the Spirit is because Christ is in him and because of his sin. Romans 8: 4 the law of sin and death is only fulfilled in him, in his flesh, as long as he walked according to the Spirit. How do I know this?

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. NKJV

As long as Paul was led by the Spirit, of Jesus, he was not under the law. What law was Paul not under as long as he was led by the Spirit?

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. NKJV

The Father condemns sin in Paul's flesh only as long as he walks in the Spirit. That is why Paul said that the life he lives in the flesh, he lives by his faith in Jesus. He had to keep following Jesus' commands to walk in the Spirit. He had faith that as long as he followed Jesus' commands he would live long enough, in his flesh, to do all the works God planned for him to do.

Now are you saying that the life you live in your flesh is not because of your faith in Christ? The only reason a Christian's faith keeps them alive physically in Christ is because as long as they are in the flesh they sin. Do you claim that the life you live in the flesh you live by your faith in Jesus or not?

Perhaps.

This is Paul's narrative of his preconversion life in the flesh. (Rom 7:5)
When he wrote it, he was living life in the Spirit.

Yes, he was being led by the Spirit while the new spirit was contained in his flesh. Paul had to be in his flesh to keep witnessing as his spirit man was contained in his flesh.

 

[fli]

I believe in context the law Paul was referring to is circumcision Gal 2:3 and no one was ever saved by being circumcised what the Jews were teaching Acts 15:1 and what Paul was constantly correcting, the teaching that they could save themselves by being circumcised without the blood of Christ apart from Him.

We are told Paul can be hard to understand so I believe we should really prayerfully study what he is saying and compare it to other Scriptures and especially to the teachings of Jesus Christ
2Pe 3:16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures.

You seem to be making a case that Paul supported lawlessness (sinning 1 John 3:4), but I do not believe that is what he was teaching..

Romans 3:19 Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God. NKJV

Only people under the law can commit lawlessness.

Romans 3:21 But now the righteousness of God apart from the law is revealed, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets, 22 even the righteousness of God, through faith in Jesus Christ, to all and on all who believe. For there is no difference; NKJV

If anyone believes, their righteousness is apart from the law. Our righteousness is the righteousness of God meaning we have the righteousness of God.

2 Corinthians 5:20 Now then, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were pleading through us: we implore you on Christ's behalf, be reconciled to God. 21 For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. NKJV

The God whose righteousness we have, is Jesus. In other words, everything that Jesus did to be righteous is imputed to us.

Matthew 3:15 But Jesus answered and said to him, "Permit it to be so now, for thus it is fitting for us to fulfill all righteousness." Then he allowed Him. NKJV

Jesus made sure that He did everything to fulfill all righteousness so we would not have to work for it. Since He fulfilled all righteous He did everything required to be righteous and we have His works imputed to us. As stated above He repented for us as repentance from sin is required under the law. He also did everything required in the law to be righteous, that includes doing the ten commandments. If He did not do the ten commandments, He did not fulfill all righteousness for us.

Hebrews 4:3 For we who have believed do enter that rest, as He has said: "So I swore in My wrath, 'They shall not enter My rest,'" NKJV

We who have believed do enter that rest.

Hebrews 4:10 For he who has entered His rest has himself also ceased from his works as God did from His. NKJV

That means we do not have to work to be righteous. Am I advocating that we do nothing? No. I say we do everything that He convicts us of. We also do everything we should do to show the world we are His children and to be good witnesses. We do that out of our love for Him, not because we need to do it to be righteous.

If we are not doing what He convicts us of and we are not good witnesses by our behavior, we are not in the walking Spirit. God will chastise us if we do not walk in the Spirit.

1 Corinthians 11:32 But when we are judged, we are chastened by the Lord, that we may not be condemned with the world. NKJV

God chastises us so we will not be condemned with the world. If die under chastisement we will go to heaven. We walk in the Spirit not for salvation, but to continue to live in the flesh.

 

[Hoping2]

In your reply number 10 you stated that “Sin will only not be imputed to those who don't commit sin.”
In reply number 16 to were Paul admitted to still committing sin you said that he was just remembering to when he tried to be righteous when he was under the law.

Paul never admitted to still being in sin after he was converted.

Romans 7:24 O wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? 25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin. NKJV

He had already written that he was no longer in the flesh, in Rom 7:5.
Even in verse 25 he thanks God for his delivery from the "flesh".
That happened in Rom 6:6..."Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin."

Verse 25 above describes Paul's condition that enables him to walk in the Spirit so God will not impute sin to him. How do I know Paul continued to sin?

Verse 25 is the finale to his narration of a pre-conversion life in the flesh, and unsuccessfully trying to please God with Law keeping.
Once in the flesh, he is now in the Spirit.
Rom 8 goes on with the differences between walking in and after the "flesh", as opposed to walking in and after the Spirit.

Romans 7:18 For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. NKJV

Rom 7:5..."For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death."
He is not in the flesh anymore.

Because Paul admits that in his flesh nothing good dwells in him.

It is a good thing he was no longer in the "flesh".

But Christ was in him, how could he say nothing good dwells in his flesh?

Because he was referring to his pre-conversion state, in which was nothing good.

Because Jesus dwells in the new spirit man that was born when Jesus entered him. Jesus had a choice whether He should kill the flesh, take him to heaven, or let him continue to live and do the works He had planned for Paul. How do I know this?

Sounds made-up.
Paul's rebirth occurred after his old man-body of sin was destroyed with Christ.
He walked in and after the Spirit after that.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me; and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave Himself for me. NKJV

There you go.
You can quit saying there is nothing good in the skin and bones of the reborn.

Was Paul physically crucified with Christ?

Yes, by faith.

No. He was spiritually crucified with Christ. Because he was not physically crucified, his flesh was still alive and contained his new spiritual man. He kept living in the flesh by faith in Jesus. Why did he need faith in Christ to live physically?

Where is your faith ?

Romans 8:10 And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. NKJV

A body won't die unless it is actually killed.

The reason Paul had to walk in the Spirit is because Christ is in him and because of his sin. Romans 8: 4 the law of sin and death is only fulfilled in him, in his flesh, as long as he walked according to the Spirit. How do I know this?

"Had to" ?
Don't you mean "was allowed to" ?

Galatians 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law. NKJV
As long as Paul was led by the Spirit, of Jesus, he was not under the law. What law was Paul not under as long as he was led by the Spirit?

The traditions and commandment of men.
Col 2:20-22.

Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, 4 that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. NKJV

I praise God for causing the destruction of what and who I used to be, and allowing me to be reborn from His seed.
Now I walk in and after the Spirit...like Paul.

The Father condemns sin in Paul's flesh only as long as he walks in the Spirit.

No man can walk in the Spirt if God with sin on them.

That is why Paul said that the life he lives in the flesh, he lives by his faith in Jesus. He had to keep following Jesus' commands to walk in the Spirit. He had faith that as long as he followed Jesus' commands he would live long enough, in his flesh, to do all the works God planned for him to do.

That reference to "flesh", is to the skin-and-bones of his vessel.
Not the worldly oriented mind of the servants of sin.

Now are you saying that the life you live in your flesh is not because of your faith in Christ ?

I am not saying that.

The only reason a Christian's faith keeps them alive physically in Christ is because as long as they are in the flesh they sin.

You are again conflating skin-and-bones with the worldly oriented mind.
My skin-and-bones cannot make me sin.
They are the instruments of a new creature born from God's seed.

Do you claim that the life you live in the flesh you live by your faith in Jesus or not?

I sure do, but the "flesh" I live in is just skin-and-bones.
I walk in and after the Spirit since the destruction of the old man/me.

Yes, he was being led by the Spirit while the new spirit was contained in his flesh. Paul had to be in his flesh to keep witnessing as his spirit man was contained in his flesh.

Thank God Paul's skin-and-bones are not counted as the "flesh" the worldly oriented will suffer eternally for.
Jesus had skin-and-bones, but walked in and after the Spirit...just like we can since He introduced rebirth.