Darwinian evolution - still a theory in crisis.

[AV1611VET]

... you have such a persecution complex it's honestly frightening.

Ya ... either that, or just lie down and let myself be falsely identified.

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes He can.

But a dress is not the same thing as the Earth.

Oh, okay.

Can God create an earth tomorrow, so old it can sustain life?

(Please answer this.)

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Ya ... either that, or just lie down and let myself be falsely identified.

No I'll call it a persecution complex.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Oh, okay.

Can God create an earth tomorrow, so old it can sustain life?

(Please answer this.)

Again, He can. He is God.

Your claim however is an entirely different kettle of fish however since your entire argument hinges on you making God be deceptive.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

All things are possible with God. That doesn't mean that He is obligated to do it to make your story true.

Oh, that's a good thing I missed.

 

[AV1611VET]

All things are possible with God. That doesn't mean that He is obligated to do it to make your story true.

Then I rest my case.

I'm not a YEC.

But I don't mind defending myself over and over, as it shows how far academia will go to make me look like I don't know what I'm talking about.

Which is the exact same thing they accuse Adam Moses* of doing.

*

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I'm not a YEC.

But you are one.

 

[AV1611VET]

Again, He can. He is God.

Your claim however is an entirely different kettle of fish however since your entire argument hinges on you making God be deceptive.

Making the earth old, so it will sustain life is being deceptive?

 

[Fervent]

Again, He can. He is God.

Your claim however is an entirely different kettle of fish however since your entire argument hinges on you making God be deceptive.

As derelect of integrity AV appears to me, I can't agree with this statement. God never promised that we could reliably reconstruct the history of the Earth, and a case could be made that the Bible encourages a degree of suspicion to such attempts. So embedded age doesn't necessarily make God deceptive, but that doesn't mean those who hold to it are not themselves lacking in intellectual honesty.

 

[AV1611VET]

But you are one.

There you go.

Invoking No True Scotsman again.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Making the earth old, so it will sustain life is being deceptive?

No, all the things you claim make God be deceptive: the Grand Canyon, the cliffs of Dover, continental drift, fossils, to name a few but the biggest examples of how you make God be deceptive with your 'embedded age' deception.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

As derelect of integrity AV appears to me, I can't agree with this statement. God never promised that we could reliably reconstruct the history of the Earth, and a case could be made that the Bible encourages a degree of suspicion to such attempts. So embedded age doesn't necessarily make God deceptive, but that doesn't mean those who hold to it are not themselves lacking in intellectual honesty.

Nope, cannot agree with that.

Just because the Bible doesn't say it, doesn't mean it could be true for God to do it.

Embedded age is a deception, simple as.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

There you go.

Invoking No True Scotsman again.

Just saying it is a No True Scotsman fallacy does not make it true.

You ARE a YEC. Simple as.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, all the things you claim make God be deceptive: the Grand Canyon, the cliffs of Dover, continental drift, fossils, to name a few but the biggest examples of how you make God be deceptive with your 'embedded age' deception.

I could say the same thing about you guys.

Eons of time vs days.

Young woman vs virgin.

Sky dome vs firmament.

Fetus vs child in the womb.

The only difference is, I'm not afraid to answer questions and go 404.

In fact, I invite them.

 

[Fervent]

Nope, cannot agree with that.

Just because the Bible doesn't say it, doesn't mean it could be true for God to do it.

Embedded age is a deception, simple as.

It's not just that it doesn't say it, it's that there are passages that cast suspicion on our ability to trust what can be seen with the eyes and gleaned from the senses. One thing the Bible makes pretty clear is that there is something very wrong with the world as it stands, another is that God has allowed it to be ruled by Satan for a season. So while there is deception inherent in something like embedded age, it isn't necessarily God doing the deception especially as it is conceivable that He provided warnings against trusting our faculties.

 

[AV1611VET]

Embedded age is a deception, simple as.

Either that, or it's a life saver/sustainer.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

I could say the same thing about you guys.

Eons of time vs days.

Young woman vs virgin.

Sky dome vs firmament.

Fetus vs child in the womb.

The only difference is, I'm not afraid to answer questions and go 404.

In fact, I invite them.

You choosing to intentionally ignore not only basic English but also that you're repeatedly told you're wrong in using those words, does nothing to absolve the fact that you make God out to be deceptive by using those examples I gave.

 

[BCP1928]

That assumption is not supported in scripture. It's just assuming what one proposes to prove.

Prove what? I think biblical scholars generally agree that the term can mean little else but a standard 24 day. Many hold the opinion that the author used it intentially to reflect the six day plus sabbath week without knowing or caring very much how long God actually took to create. The general consensus is that Genesis 1 was composed during the Exile or shortly afterwards.

 

[AV1611VET]

Just saying it is a No True Scotsman fallacy does not make it true.

That's true.

You have to demonstrate it first.

Which you do.

Remember: the quality goes in, before the name goes on.

You ARE a YEC. Simple as.

Simple as NTS.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Either that, or it's a life saver/sustainer.

It is not a life saver or sustainer in the slightest. It's a deception from you because you want to have the Bible and science together, but you're so hyperfocused on your interpretation of the Bible be the only interpretation to be the correct one, you create a horrible, extra-Biblical hybrid. You basically want to eat your cake and have it too.