The rise of Democratic Socialism

[Hans Blaster]

You want some real-time pics? I can get you some this weekend. I can post them.

Pictures? I thought you could remove them because it was your right to do so.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Pictures? I thought you could remove them because it was your right to do so.

No, I'll go to them. In the hood.

 

[CaDan]

I don't really see Mr. Mamdani advocating for much more than some social democracy. Now, I'm not going to complain about it, but it sure isn't seizing the means of production or eliminating commodity production. Heck, it isn't even land value tax.

Yet we see so much panic from the corridors of power. So much.

 

[Hans Blaster]

No, I'll go to them. In the hood.

Why the need to go hunting the drug users? I've never felt any compulsion to go find some drug users on a street corner.

 

[rjs330]

If the free market is not effective enough for solving some social problem (like housing), it is on the state. If the constitution needs to be changed, it can be changed. Constitution is there for people.

Yes it can be. If the people want it changed they can change it. No one has and I dont see it happening any time soon.

But I'm good with any community or state that wants to use their tax dollars in this way. Taxing the rich in their state local communities is fine with me. Because it provides the rich a choice where they want to live. If they dont want to be taxed in that way, they can leave and take their money with them.

Or if they really like or want to pay, they can stay and pay.

 

[rjs330]

The EU has more people than the USA. If you are talking about area being large, then I am not sure how is it related to housing. Housing should be cheaper and more affordable in countries with a lot of space, if anything.

The EU is not a nation. All EU nations do not have the same laws and the same national government. They dont even have the same "benefits" for the people in the nations.

 

[rjs330]

I am not sure what you are trying to say. Federal states should have such legislation even easier than a union of nations. But the EU still managed to do it.

What did the EU manage to do exactly?

A lot of people in the USA are fed up with the US system based on corporatism and on the survival of the fittest.

Being fed up with corporatism doesn't mean we are fed up with whole system. I actually think conservatives and liberals can agree we are fed up with much of coporatism but we don't agree with what to do about it. If we had the same taxing system many of rhe European Countries have even the liberals wouldn't support it here. The rich pay more than their fair share by and large, while half the country doesn't pay anything. Which isnt the same thing as any of the EU systems do.

 

[BCP1928]

What did the EU manage to do exactly?

Being fed up with corporatism doesn't mean we are fed up with whole system. I actually think conservatives and liberals can agree we are fed up with much of coporatism but we don't agree with what to do about it. If we had the same taxing system many of rhe European Countries have even the liberals wouldn't support it here. The rich pay more than their fair share by and large, while half the country doesn't pay anything. Which isnt the same thing as any of the EU systems do.

EU systems provide much better benefits, too. But we are not talking about corporatism. Corporatism is a subset of capitalism Not all forms of capitalism are the same.

 

[rjs330]

EU systems provide much better benefits, too. But we are not talking about corporatism. Corporatism is a subset of capitalism Not all forms of capitalism are the same.

The EU didn't do that. The EU is not a country.

 

[BCP1928]

The EU didn't do that. The EU is not a country.

The nations of the EU. And modern industrial nations not in the EU. The US is at the bottom of the list no matter how you make it up.

 

[bèlla]

U.S. citizens have the third highest average salaries in the world. Only Switzerland and Luxembourg are greater. When you compare the same with our tax rates in relation to others we’re doing quite well.

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[BCP1928]

If the free market is not effective enough for solving some social problem (like housing), it is on the state. If the constitution needs to be changed, it can be changed. Constitution is there for people.

No, I think that a free market solution ought to be tried first. though it might be easier to change the Consitution than to get Conservatives interested in free markets again.

 

[BCP1928]

U.S. citizens have the third highest average salaries in the world. Only Switzerland and Luxembourg are greater. When you compare the same with our tax rates in relation to others we’re doing quite well.

Ranked: Countries With The Highest And Lowest Average Salaries, 2024 - CEOWORLD magazine

Economists warn of a challenging economic period ahead, with many predicting an upcoming recession. However, the good news is that there are still opportunities in the job market. Are you considering a career change in 2024? Or do you want to explore the possibility of earning a higher salary...

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Except for the services they get and we don't.

 

[SimplyMe]

The EU is not a nation. All EU nations do not have the same laws and the same national government. They dont even have the same "benefits" for the people in the nations.

You could almost make the same argument about the US -- each state has its own set of laws and its own state government, even "benefits" differ from state to state. The EU, like our national government, has a set of laws that all EU countries follow. In addition, they have directives, that in the US are similar to "mandates" -- where the EU/US federal government says certain laws must exist and the governments of the country/state craft laws that comply with the directive/mandate.

 

[bèlla]

Except for the services they get and we don't.

We’ve been around this bend already. It’s important to some and not an issue for others. Trump was elected by 50% of the population earning less than $100,000 per year. Including those under $30,000 as well. They were more concerned about other issues than the benefits you’re touting. Universal coverage wasn’t a priority for them or young men for that matter. They supported him too.

Why do you expect a solution from the entity that created the monster? The government is wicked and profits from their duplicity. You’ll never turn them into a hero. Whatever they champion will enrich their supporters. Including socialism. It will never be for the people and that’s what you’re struggling with. You can’t accept that others feel differently because you’re relying on them to do the right thing.

We can’t wait for the world to take action. The train will never leave the station if you do. Most people are talkers and you realize that when you’re productive. You don’t sit around and wait. You find others like yourself who are willing to act. That’s how things get done. You find them in private clubs, groups and masterminds that require a fee and application. That’s where you go when you’re serious.

~bella

 

[RocksInMyHead]

We’ve been around this bend already. It’s important to some and not an issue for others.

The point is that wages in the US are artificially inflated because health insurance comes out of our paychecks, we have fewer paid holidays (some get none), and we have fewer social safety nets (meaning that a responsible person has to save a larger portion of their income for emergencies/retirement). So, pointing to the high average wage in the US is misleading

 

[ximmix]

If we stick to what would Bible recommend, Bible would (in my opinion) certainly recommend higher taxes and social and health safety for all, with great social mobility. Against low personal taxes and the survival of the fittest and poor people lying naked on the streets or afraid to call an ambulance because they would not be able to afford it.

You mean "I'm alright, Jack, keep your hands off my stack" isn't a quote from the Bible?
Hmm...

 

[BCP1928]

We’ve been around this bend already. It’s important to some and not an issue for others. Trump was elected by 50% of the population earning less than $100,000 per year. Including those under $30,000 as well. They were more concerned about other issues than the benefits you’re touting. Universal coverage wasn’t a priority for them or young men for that matter. They supported him too.

Why do you expect a solution from the entity that created the monster? The government is wicked and profits from their duplicity. You’ll never turn them into a hero. Whatever they champion will enrich their supporters. Including socialism. It will never be for the people and that’s what you’re struggling with. You can’t accept that others feel differently because you’re relying on them to do the right thing.

We can’t wait for the world to take action. The train will never leave the station if you do. Most people are talkers and you realize that when you’re productive. You don’t sit around and wait. You find others like yourself who are willing to act. That’s how things get done. You find them in private clubs, groups and masterminds that require a fee and application. That’s where you go when you’re serious.

~bella

I make an argument for free market capitalism and you respond with a rant like that? You really are afraid of it. Good.

 

[bèlla]

The point is that wages in the US are artificially inflated because health insurance comes out of our paychecks, we have fewer paid holidays (some get none), and we have fewer social safety nets (meaning that a responsible person has to save a larger portion of their income for emergencies/retirement). So, pointing to the high average wage in the US is misleading

The point is this isn’t Europe. Looking at another country and comparing your experience to theirs is unrealistic. If Americans wanted the same we’ve had years to pursue it. But it wasn’t a concern and they were satisfied with their quality of life in spite of the points you‘ve raised.

~bella

 

[CaDan]

We can’t wait for the world to take action. The train will never leave the station if you do. Most people are talkers and you realize that when you’re productive. You don’t sit around and wait. You find others like yourself who are willing to act. That’s how things get done. You find them in private clubs, groups and masterminds that require a fee and application. That’s where you go when you’re serious

Something like this then.