The rise of Democratic Socialism

[trophy33]

America isn’t a theocracy. We have freedom of religion and the separation of church and state. Which means one person’s beliefs won’t mirror another‘s. The majority rules. That doesn’t prohibit you from helping people or supporting organizations that do.

I must say that sometimes your answers seem off. Or at least I do not see a connection you are making.

Most Americans are financially illiterate. They aren’t taught how wealth is really built at home or in school. Which places them at a disadvantage. I have a different opinion about debt. The bible says the borrower is the slave of the lender. Before you get in debt you should learn the rudiments of money to go about it wisely.

Agreed. But the US system is designed to be against common people and to enslave them under debt. Everything is about credit cards, credit score, school debt etc.

You can have any education about finances you like, but if you fell ill and loose your job, you are finished, in the US. You cannot pay your credit card, you are evicted from home etc.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Or else? You would suddenly not care about their freedom?

Yeah. Because then my freedom kicks in, to remove them from my sight.

...Go to the hood and do hood things.

 

[BCP1928]

Yeah. Because then my freedom kicks in, to remove them from my sight.

If you are free to remove them, why are they not free to remove you?

 

[trophy33]

Are you suggesting we arrest them for returning to the streets? To do so, would greatly increase the incarceration rate.

Lol no. If you think I am for criminalization of poverty, mental illness or addiction, you probably did not read my posts carefully.

 

[BCP1928]

Lol no. If you think I am for criminalization of poverty, mental illness or addiction, you probably did not read my posts properly.

Perhaps it was just wishful thinking.

 

[bèlla]

I must say that sometimes your answers seem off. Or at least I do not see a connection you are making.

All Americans aren’t christian nor do they accept biblical principles. You can’t force them to see things the way you do. What’s confusing about that?

Agreed. But the US system is designed to be against common people and to enslave them under debt.

That was always the case. It was never meant to be equitable. But when you tell people that they don’t believe you and want the lie instead. What are you supposed to do? Punch them in the head? And christians are the worst.

~bella

 

[Landon Caeli]

If you are free to remove them, why are they not free to remove you?

Because the law is on my side.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Lol no. If you think I am for criminalization of poverty, mental illness or addiction, you probably did not read my posts carefully.

But you would detain them against their will, and force them into shelters? Where they are monitored by government employees?

Sorry, how's that different from being arrested?

 

[trophy33]

All Americans aren’t christian nor do they accept biblical principles. You can’t force them to see things the way you do. What’s confusing about that?

The fact that we are not talking about that. We are talking about what would Bible prefer, which system. It is independent on the USA and has nothing to do with theocracy. The EU is not a theocracy. It is much less religious than the USA.

That was always the case. It was never meant to be equitable. But when you tell people that they don’t believe you and want the lie instead. What are you supposed to do? Punch them in the head? And christians are the worst.

Well, I am not some ingenious politician that knows the answer how to change the 19th century mindset of Americans to want more socialized and more just (or more merciful?) economical system. I can only talk about the advantages I see when comparing the modern EU countries with the USA, but I am not the one who can change it. It must come from the American people.

 

[trophy33]

But you would detain them against their will, and force them into shelters?

Did you read the sources I gave you? The AI summary or the article?

 

[BCP1928]

All Americans aren’t christian nor do they accept biblical principles. You can’t force them to see things the way you do. What’s confusing about that?

Apparently the plan is to force them to act as if they believed.

That was always the case. It was never meant to be equitable. But when you tell people that they don’t believe you and want the lie instead. What are you supposed to do? Punch them in the head? And christians are the worst.

~bella

 

[Landon Caeli]

Did you read the sources I gave you? The AI summary or the article?

Yes. The sources are only good for those wanting to quit. It doesn't mention anything about those interested in continuing drug use.

What is Europe's solution for those who have zero interest in quitting, but rather, want more drugs to continue using without restriction? Do you force them against their will to quit somehow? America would love to know your solution to that problem, as that's where we are.

 

[trophy33]

Yes. The sources are only good for those wanting to quit. It doesn't mention anything about those interested in continuing drug use.

Nobody really wants to be a drug addict, homeless poor or mentally ill. It is enslavement that destroys both them and their families or community.

I think this is one of the main mindset shifts that make the difference in how a state works with these people. Psychological (or psychiatric) help, social help, housing help, free healthcare (truly free, not on debt), even free and safe drugs if it helps etc.

 

[Landon Caeli]

Nobody really wants to be a drug addict

Yes they do enjoy drugs. You only assume they don't like it, because it's what you wish were true. But not everyone is the same as you.

You think people also don't like coffee or alcohol? I got news for ya... They *love* it.

 

[trophy33]

Yes they do enjoy drugs. You only assume they don't like it, because it's what you wish were true. But not everyone is the same as you.

This is, again, the 19th century mindset: "They want to be the trash on the streets, half-naked, lying in their own urine. Let us just ignore them or move their bodies after they die. Or let us punish them for that."

Modern, successful countries know this is not true and that is why they are successful while the USA fails miserably. Yes, even the best countries cannot help 100% of them, but with the mindset "they do not truly want to be this way", you can help for example 7 of 10, while with your mindset you help 0 of 10. And this makes the difference.

 

[Landon Caeli]

This is, again, the 19th century mindset: "They want to be the trash on the streets, half-naked, lying in their own urine. Let us just ignore them or move their bodies after they die."

Modern, successful countries know this is not true and that is why they are successful while the USA fails miserably. Yes, even the best countries cannot help 100% of them, but with the mindset "they do not truly want to be this way", you can help for example 7 of 10, while with your mindset you help 0 of 10. And this makes the difference.

The ones laying in their own urine, are most likely mentally ill as well as drug addicted - that's double trouble..!

For those, they need the help, I agree. But that's only some. There are other kinds too, including the ones who would have it no other way, sleeping in hotels once in a while, or on the street other days. For those, many are not interested in rehab.

 

[bèlla]

The fact that we are not talking about that. We are talking about what would Bible prefer, which system. It is independent on the USA and has nothing to do with theocracy. The EU is not a theocracy. It is much less religious than the USA.

God isn’t a one trick pony. He used many people to accomplish different things in various ways. The solution you see is the result of your knitting. We have a different anointing. I solve problems by creating something to fund it or working with others doing the same.

Well, I am not some ingenious politician that knows the answer how to change the 19th century mindset of Americans to want more socialized and more just (or more merciful?) economical system. I can only talk about the advantages I see when comparing the modern EU countries with the USA, but I am not the one who can change it. It must come from the American people.

Maybe that’s your mandate but it isn‘t mine. I can affect more lives through philanthropy without involving the government, charities or the church. There’s many roads to a goal.

~bella

 

[Hans Blaster]

Do they have a lot of mental illness in those countries like we do in the U.S.? Do they have easy access to thousands of tons of illegal addictive drugs, as well on every street corner? If not, then the comparison is like apples to oranges.

...Because over here, we have palm trees, year round warm weather, and every illegal elixir known to man. Why wouldn't some people love that?

I've been to a lot of street corners, never saw any drug deals going down there. There is a corner 100 yards from me right now and I almost never see any people at it. I think you overplay drug availability and mental illness in the US. Neither will explain what is wrong with our country.

 

[Landon Caeli]

I've been to a lot of street corners, never saw any drug deals going down there. There is one a 100 yards from me know and I almost never see any people at it. I think you overplay drug availability and mental illness in the US. Neither will explain what is wrong with our country.

You want some real-time pics? I can get you some this weekend. I can post them.

 

[SimplyMe]

You want some real-time pics? I can get you some this weekend. I can post them.

There are millions of street corners across the US, so you're going to supply pictures from all of them?

Or do you mean you are going to take a picture from a street corner you know of and use that as a cherry picked example of "every street corners?"

I also don't understand your position that it is ok for them to break drug laws and squat on someone else's land, just so long as they do it where you don't live -- then it is considered "personal freedom." But, if they try to do the same thing in your neighborhood, then you want the laws enforced. Seems like quite a double standard there. And then you want to criticize Europe for infringing on the drug addict's person freedom by enforcing their laws, something you want, as well, if they are in your neighborhood.