Should doctors be able to withold treatment for political affiliation or marital status?

[Bradskii]

This story has been debunked. VA also responded on X, writing, “This story is disinformation. All eligible Veterans will always be welcome at VA and will always receive the benefits and services they’ve earned under the law.”

You obviously haven't read the first few posts...

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Good grief. How did you guys ever get together!

The classic “friends to lovers” trope. By the time we figured out our politics didn’t align, we were already madly in love, lol!

And my guess would be that he met different people (well, you for a start). Moved in different circles. Experienced different outlooks. Possibly moved away from where he grew up? Because I was the same. Uber conservative family. Church 4 times every Sunday. Head choirboy! Small town values. Then...moved to The Big City. Off to The Bright Lights. And I changed. Or perhaps I simply realised who I was, given the freedom I then had.

Moving didn’t change him at all, honestly. Just… Life did. He started reading the news more, then reading the backstory more, doing the research, becoming more informed. Then he started listening to my POV instead of just shutting down and spouting the company line. That changed him on LGBTQA+ rights.

Then he watched me go through the consequences of a pregnancy that wasn’t going to work out. Being at ground zero made him pro-choice overnight.

Then getting sick with IBD and watching how the medical industry worked from the inside. That deeply affected him.

Now he’s further left than I am. He’s a voracious researcher on all topics, including his background and learning that his brand of Christianity was not normal, but actually basically a cult. That did away with the last vestiges of Republican in him.

Then Trump happened.

Now, thinking about all the people I know, all those who left home and travelled, worked in far away places with strange sounding names...they're all liberal. And all those who now live pretty much in walking distance from where they grew up...they're all conservative. I honestly can't think of any real exceptions. Maybe my SIL...who wasn't perhaps as conservative as your husband was. But then he did marry my daughter, so he's jumped the fence as well.

Same. Super same. And I’m saying this having just come back from my hometown fair and counting all the red hats, lol.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

I don't buy this at all.

Again, you don’t have to believe it. You can share all the anecdotes you want, repeat you don’t agree all you want, but that doesn’t change what the study says.

What has happened since Trumps election shows this conservatives "fear" more is just false. It’s the left who has been running around being afraid of everything. Everything the conservatives do or Trymp did was terrible and was going to cause untold horrible things. Everything was bad. The economy was going to to fall apart, we were going into WWIII.

Again, this is just ranting and repeating nonsense, not fact or anything that refutes the story.

And now Democrats and single people aren't going to get Healthcare.

Nonsense.

Research shows liberals are far mire likely to have mental health problems and disorders. Liberals are more likely to have mental health breakdowns.

Research shows they’re more likely to get treated for it, which is quite different.

It’s the left that needed safe spaces, and scared of micro agressions. Silence is violence, and are always claiming they are unsafe.

Nonsense.

And now they are scared of no Healthcare for Democrats in the VA.

Nonsense.

So before you start throwing stones maybe you should look at your own house.

My side of the street is clean, my guy. Lol

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Sigh... I thought you could read. My bad.

Oh, you’ve resorted to flaming, proving the study and me right. lol!

 

[Bradskii]

Moving didn’t change him at all, honestly. Just… Life did. He started reading the news more, then reading the backstory more, doing the research, becoming more informed. Then he started listening to my POV instead of just shutting down and spouting the company line. That changed him on LGBTQA+ rights.

Sounds like he was a liberal anyway...but just didn't know it.

Same. Super same. And I’m saying this having just come back from my hometown fair and counting all the red hats, lol.

Haven't been home for a while. But two of my wife's sisters came down to visit us a few months back, towing along one husband. There were a few occasions when one of them would say something casually in a random discussion and my wife would immediately fix me with a look that effectively said 'No. Do not go there. Let it slide'. So I'd have to bite my lip and try to change the subject.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Sounds like he was a liberal anyway...but just didn't know it.

He wasn’t, but he was more inclined to research things once his worldview broadened and he began to allow himself to question his upbringing. Before things were the way they were because they were. You didn’t ask why. They just were. Then when life experiences didn’t jive with the rhetoric, off to learn he’d go.

Haven't been home for a while. But two of my wife's sisters came down to visit us a few months back, towing along one husband. There were a few occasions when one of them would say something casually in a random discussion and my wife would immediately fix me with a look that effectively said 'No. Do not go there. Let it slide'. So I'd have to bite my lip and try to change the subject.

I know that look… I use that look.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Economic Left/Right: -3.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62​

 

[Bradskii]

Economic Left/Right: -2.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.77​

I grew up in a very socialist UK when a lot of industries like steel, rail, gas, airlines were nationalised. I think I've moved further right in that respect since then.

 

[Bradskii]

Economic Left/Right: -3.63​

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.62​

We're all waiting to see how your husband scores...

 

[The Barbarian]

Research shows they’re more likely to get treated for it, which is quite different.

This might help explain why right-wing extremists tend to be more violent.

New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been increasingly questioned with the rise of left-wing extremist groups like Antifa, and right-wing extremist groups like the Proud Boys.

“There has been a strong presumption among many that while left-wing and right-wing ideologies vary a great deal in content, they resemble each other in terms of their willingness to use violence to further their political agenda. However, our analysis shows that right-wing actors are significantly more violent than left-wing actors,” said LaFree, a professor in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice (CCJS) and the founding director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START).

UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland

First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...

ccjs.umd.edu

Domestic Terrorism
Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

On the national level, formal right-wing hate groups, such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat. Although efforts have been made by some extremist groups to reduce openly racist rhetoric in order to appeal to a broader segment of the population and to focus increased attention on antigovernment sentiment, racism-based hatred remains an integral component of these groups’ core orientations.

Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat.

The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States

Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

archives.fbi.gov

 

[Tropical Wilds]

We're all waiting to see how your husband scores...

Economic Left/Right: -6.38​

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36​

It also took almost an hour for us to get him through the test. All questions came with a thorough dissection of his answer.

 

[Bradskii]

Economic Left/Right: -6.38​

Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.36​

It also took almost an hour for us to get him through the test. All questions came with a thorough dissection of his answer.

Wow, you weren't kidding...

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Wow, you weren't kidding...

Absolutely was not, which is why I chuckle when I get pigeonholed as the radical liberal on here, lol.

 

[7thKeeper]

Haven't taken that test in a while. My results now were.

Economic Left/Right: -5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.9

From what I remember, my score has moved a bit towards the left from last time and social score about the same.

 

[RDKirk]

This might help explain why right-wing extremists tend to be more violent.

New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been increasingly questioned with the rise of left-wing extremist groups like Antifa, and right-wing extremist groups like the Proud Boys.

“There has been a strong presumption among many that while left-wing and right-wing ideologies vary a great deal in content, they resemble each other in terms of their willingness to use violence to further their political agenda. However, our analysis shows that right-wing actors are significantly more violent than left-wing actors,” said LaFree, a professor in the Department of Criminology and Criminal Justice (CCJS) and the founding director of the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START).

UMD-Led Study Shows Disparities in Violence Among Extremist Groups | CCJS l Criminology and Criminal Justice Department l University of Maryland

First-of-its-kind Look at Left, Right, and Islamist Extremists Explores Similarities, Differences New research co-led by University of Maryland CCJS Professor Gary LaFree finds that some political extremist groups are more likely to commit violent acts than others—a belief that’s been...

ccjs.umd.edu

Domestic Terrorism
Domestic right-wing terrorist groups often adhere to the principles of racial supremacy and embrace antigovernment, antiregulatory beliefs. Generally, extremist right-wing groups engage in activity that is protected by constitutional guarantees of free speech and assembly. Law enforcement becomes involved when the volatile talk of these groups transgresses into unlawful action.

On the national level, formal right-wing hate groups, such as the National Alliance, the World Church of the Creator (WCOTC) and the Aryan Nations, represent a continuing terrorist threat. Although efforts have been made by some extremist groups to reduce openly racist rhetoric in order to appeal to a broader segment of the population and to focus increased attention on antigovernment sentiment, racism-based hatred remains an integral component of these groups’ core orientations.

Right-wing groups continue to represent a serious terrorist threat.

The Terrorist Threat Confronting the United States

Before the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

archives.fbi.gov

You didn't read the actual research paper, did you?

In the research paper:

In the United States, we find no difference between the level of violence perpetrated by right-wing and Islamist extremists. However, differences in violence emerge on the global level, with Islamist extremists being more likely than right-wing extremists to engage in more violent acts.

Further, when global data is included, it muddies the question for the discussion in this thread of what "left wing" and "right wing" actually mean and what specific beliefs constitute them.

 

[Tinker Grey]

Economic Left/Right: -5.5
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.46

 

[rjs330]

Again, you don’t have to believe it. You can share all the anecdotes you want, repeat you don’t agree all you want, but that doesn’t change what the study says.

After doing a thorough read our conversation has become more clear. I think we all know that conservatives and liberals think differently. I mean that is just obvious. I dont think we needed a study to show that.

But what also is different is how we interpret what we read.

For example:

We found that conservatives, compared to liberals and moderates, had greater psychological resilience and self-regulation capacity that were attributable to greater impulse control and causal reasoning. Stronger intrinsic connectivities between the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC) and precuneus and between the insula and frontal pole/OFC in conservatives were correlated with greater resilience and self-regulation capacity. These results suggest the neural underpinnings that may allow conservatives to manage the psychological stress and achieve greater life satisfaction. This study provides neuroscientific evidence for the different responses of liberals and conservatives to politically relevant social issues.”

Let's look at the fear thing that seems to be something. Fear is based upon. A perceived threat. Whether that threat is immediate or something in the future. It also needs to be tied to the other brain responses. Liberals are less likely to perceive the threat.

However liberals are also more likely to less impulse control and more likely to suffer psychological distress.

Collectively, when compared to Republican sympathizers, Democrat sympathizers showed greater psychological distress, more frequent histories of adverse life events such as interpersonal victimization experiences, fewer and less satisfying relationships, and lower perceptions of the trustworthiness of peers and intimate affiliates.”

So all this shows that we are both correct in some fashion. Conservatives are more likely to view and see negative things and threats which causes them to generate a fear response to that threat.

Liberals are more likely to ignore that and see the beauty or positive in things.

A lion is seen as a threat by conservatives. A lion is seen as a beautiful creature by liberals. A conservative is more likely to stay away from a wild buffalo and a liberal is more likely to want to pet it.

And yet liberals have a much higher issue with psychological responses. Less resilient than conservatives.

Hence the micro-agressions, the constant need to be a victim, of more mental health problems than conservatives.

To quote you,

you don’t agree all you want, but that doesn’t change what the study says.

Bottom line, we think and act differently. Thats why there are liberals and conservatives. And course the conservatives way of doing things is better than the liberals way. (Wink).

 

[rjs330]

Oh, you’ve resorted to flaming, proving the study and me right. lol!

No i just pointed out you didnt read my post because I provided examples of leftist fragility and fear. You either disnt read that or ignored it.

1. Why is it the left needed safe spaces?
2. Why is the left so concerned about tariffs?

3. Why is the left so against guns?

4. Why was the left so concerned over the bombing in Iran?

5. Why is silence violence?

6. Why does the left consistently feel "unsafe?"

7. Why is the left so concerned with climate change?

I could go on.

Look we ALL fear things. Its just that we fear different things.

And how we handle that is also part of our thinking process. Thats why liberals have more mental health issues than conservatives do.

 

[rjs330]

Research shows they’re more likely to get treated for it, which is quite different.

Nope. Even the article on the research paper we've been discussing says they do.

So sorry, you cant argue with the research.

 

[The Barbarian]

You didn't read the actual research paper, did you?

Actually, the text says that right-wing extremists are more violent than left-wing extremists, but not more than Islamic extremists. From the actual research paper:

However, our analysis shows that right-wing actors are significantly more violent than left-wing actors,”