Trump lying to justify his reasons to bomb Iran.

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

I guess they think like Netanyahu then, because he's murdered more children and babies in Gaza than anyone, so many that he has been identified as a war criminal

How many Iranian citizens do you believe have been killed since 1979 under the Ayatollah's regime? How many do you think were children and babies?

 

[Fantine]

How many Iranian citizens do you believe have been killed since 1979 under the Ayatollah's regime? How many do you think were children and babies?

So you are saying that in 46 years Iran killed more of its citizens than Netanyahu did in a 18 month period?

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

So you are saying that in 46 years Iran killed more of its citizens than Netanyahu did in a 18 month period?

I am saying you have a selective opinion about the region.

Bibi Netanyahu did not start this conflict. Since 2001, Hamas has fired more than 20,000 rockets towards Israel, causing numerous casualties and injuries among Israelis.

It is Hamas who do not care if their children are killed. They use their own family members as human shields. If you want to blame why Gaza children are dying today, you should blame the father of those children.

 

[rjs330]

I guess they think like Netanyahu then, because he'sv

https://apnews.com/article/icc-israel-hamas-warrants-netanyahu-palestinian-arrest-73c854d072e0a1a41b19b2cb2cdd07fa

I'm not lying. The International Court isn't lying.

This describes how the children are systematically starved as humanitarian aid is stalled at the Israel/Gaza border. The situation was so heartbreaking that President Biden, during his term, had started constructing docks and a port on the Mediterranean because he knew that it was unonscionable and genocidal to have 1.6 million children (half Gaza's population is under 18) starving to death and preventing food from being delivered.

Genocide--slow torture by starvation--is a particularly painful form of death.

My heart is broken for children in Gaza. The pictures of the bombings in Tel Aviv, young people going through their bombed out apartments looking for family photos, homeless, are heartbreaking, too, but we need to acknowledge that Netanyahu's catastrophic escalation and revenge put these residents of Tel Aviv in this situation.

Yes you are lying to Equate Netanyahu with Hamas. And the court is a feckless organization that is also lying about what has happened.

 

[Fantine]

I am saying you have a selective opinion about the region.

And you don't? It seems that some Christians, particularly evangelicals, look towards Revelation and what they consider to be Biblical prophecy and base their opinion of "right and wrong" in the Israeli-Hamas battle based on that.
I look at Israel and Hamas and think: 1) Israel was given a certain amount of land in 1948 after WWII. This was right and appropriate, and I would have hoped that they would have lived in peace with the Palestinians already residing there. 2) In 1967, they had a six-day war and more than doubled their land mass, displacing the people who had lived there for centuries. On the one hand, Israeli supporters say tha t Israelis lived there from 4000 B.C. so they have prior claim, but they also moved throughout the world in later years and while they abandoned it another group of people set up permanent homes there. 3) Palestinians fought back, many believe with good reason, and Israel, with more money, technology, and western support, managed to push them into small blocks of land where they were unable to leave without going through 2 hour long checkpoint lines, restricted from visiting par windows of the residents and subjected them to earsplitting noise. Decades of systematic torture and oppression--and you are blaming the Palestinians for seeking an end to this oppression and looking to Hamas (in one, and only one, election, in 2006)?
My opinion is colored by the stories of a much younger friend who had gone there after Catholic college to work for equal rights for the Palestinians. Like the white college students who stood on the Edmund Pettis bridge with blacks and were beaten, tortured, and even killed, my young friend was arrested, beaten, and eventually brought to the border of Egypt and tol d he could never return.

There is wrong on both sides--fighting on both sides. Just like the Native Americans and the "new" Americans. And as usual, the well-funded, well-fed, well-paid, well-educated Israelis oppressed the Palestinians.

 

[rjs330]

Tons of aid is going into Gaza. Tons. Hamas and other horrible Palestinians are stealing and selling it to the people. Hamsas shoots people trying to get the aid. Israel is sending in aid. All death in the region is due to a righteous war and much of it is directly as a result of Hamas doing all they can to elevate deaths so leftists around rhe world will blame Israel and pretend they are victims. There is no genocide orhers wise by now the Paleatinians would be pretty much wiped out by now.

People causing genocide dont send aid.

 

[mark46]

Why do you assume I haven’t seen them? .

~bella

I am merely pointing out that there are lots of folks who favor the Palestinians and Hamas. Many of these are university students who demonstrate and their professors who demonstrate with them.
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Yes, I believe that anyone should be able to express their opinions and demonstrate in favor of any group, including terrorist groups.

 

[bèlla]

Yes, I believe that anyone should be able to express their opinions and demonstrate in favor of any group, including terrorist groups.

That isn’t a word that anyone should throw around lightly. Let alone in a conversation about marginalized people in need. I’m beginning to seriously question what’s amiss with christians and if your passion for politics is affecting your compassion and empathy. There’s no middle ground with that statement and it lends the impression that you’re applying it to the one you’re addressing. It isn’t a good look.

~bella

 

[BCP1928]

I suggest that you need to view more of the rallies at US colleges and universities. There were many in the crowds that were pro-Palestinian and even pro-Hamas. Of course, being anti-Israel is more than acceptable by administrations and protestors on college campuses.

I've seen them. That's called free speech. Being anti Zionist is a perfectly respectable political positions held by many Americans, including Christian and Jewish Americans.

 

[mark46]

That isn’t a word that anyone should throw around lightly. Let alone in a conversation about marginalized people in need. I’m beginning to seriously question what’s amiss with christians and if your passion for politics is affecting your compassion and empathy. There’s no middle ground with that statement and it lends the impression that you’re applying it to the one you’re addressing. It isn’t a good look.

~bella

Let's be clear. I did NOT apply the term "terrorist" to protestors. I apologize if I game that impression.

Many protestors openly supported Hamas and did not consider their actions last year as "terrorist". I think that the actions by Hamas a year and a half ago were clearly terrorist actions.

As an aside, I have participated in literally hundreds of protests over the years. I strongly support the right to speak out and to protest., non-violently of course.

 

[FAITH-IN-HIM]

And you don't? It seems that some Christians, particularly evangelicals, look towards Revelation and what they consider to be Biblical prophecy and base their opinion of "right and wrong" in the Israeli-Hamas battle based on that.
I look at Israel and Hamas and think: 1) Israel was given a certain amount of land in 1948 after WWII. This was right and appropriate, and I would have hoped that they would have lived in peace with the Palestinians already residing there. 2) In 1967, they had a six-day war and more than doubled their land mass, displacing the people who had lived there for centuries. On the one hand, Israeli supporters say tha t Israelis lived there from 4000 B.C. so they have prior claim, but they also moved throughout the world in later years and while they abandoned it another group of people set up permanent homes there. 3) Palestinians fought back, many believe with good reason, and Israel, with more money, technology, and western support, managed to push them into small blocks of land where they were unable to leave without going through 2 hour long checkpoint lines, restricted from visiting par windows of the residents and subjected them to earsplitting noise. Decades of systematic torture and oppression--and you are blaming the Palestinians for seeking an end to this oppression and looking to Hamas (in one, and only one, election, in 2006)?
My opinion is colored by the stories of a much younger friend who had gone there after Catholic college to work for equal rights for the Palestinians. Like the white college students who stood on the Edmund Pettis bridge with blacks and were beaten, tortured, and even killed, my young friend was arrested, beaten, and eventually brought to the border of Egypt and tol d he could never return.

There is wrong on both sides--fighting on both sides. Just like the Native Americans and the "new" Americans. And as usual, the well-funded, well-fed, well-paid, well-educated Israelis oppressed the Palestinians.

When I asked about Hamas using their own family as human shields, you want talk about 4000 BC stories, evangelical Christians, Catholic colleges, Native Americans, Edmund Pettis bridge, African America and everything else except Hamas.

Simple question – Do you believe that Hamas is responsible for the well-being of their offspring, whom they use as human shield?