Trump lying to justify his reasons to bomb Iran.

[BCP1928]

Once again proving that these terrorist Islamists do not think like us. They have ZERO compunction against murdering children and babies. In fact that's a specific target for them. They want to rape and murder.

They're EEEVIL!

 

[rjs330]

It's OK because they are all Muslims and all Muslims are EEEVIL.

Islimists are evil. Your basic muslim isnt.

 

[rjs330]

They're EEEVIL!

Glad you agree. I would think everyone would think that people who rape women while murdering them are evil. But sad to say there are those who dont think so and would try and justify the evil that would do such a thing.

 

[bèlla]

Wow. Iran is more moral? Pretty twisted IMO.

I don’t live and breathe politics or nationalistic propaganda at the expense of my welfare and descendants. If you want to join Donald‘s army or encourage your loved ones to do the same you’re welcome to do so. But there’s a segment of society that isn’t obsessed with warmongering, makeshift theocracy’s or the latest issue that has you up in arms. Get offended if you like but we don’t care.

~bella

 

[Fantine]

Once again proving that these terrorist Islamists do not think like us. They have ZERO compunction against murdering children and babies. In fact that's a specific target for them. They want to rape and murder.

I guess they think like Netanyahu then, because he's murdered more children and babies in Gaza than anyone, so many that he has been identified as a war criminal

 

[ralliann]

I don’t live and breathe politics or nationalistic propaganda at the expense of my welfare and descendants. If you want to join Donald‘s army or encourage your loved ones to do the same you’re welcome to do so. But there’s a segment of society that isn’t obsessed with warmongering, makeshift theocracy’s or the latest issue that has you up in arms. Get offended if you like but we don’t care.

~bella

What a crock.

 

[rjs330]

I guess they think like Netanyahu then, because he's murdered more children and babies in Gaza than anyone, so many that he has been identified as a war criminal

No he didn't. He hasnt murdered a single one. Not one. He didnt order the killing of children either. In fact they have tried to prevent it. As opposed to Hamas who ON PURPOSE with the express purpose of murdering children. There was NO ATEMPT to not murder children. There was no warning that they were coming. There was no advising the citizens to leave. No they went directly to homes where citizens were and killed them all and raped the children as well.

You need to stop lying about ehat is going on. Equating Israel with Hamas has to be one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

 

[Fantine]

Once again proving that these terrorist Islamists do not think like us. They have ZERO compunction against murdering children and babies. In fact that's a specific target for them. They want to rape and murder.

I guess they think like Netanyahu then, because he'sv

No he didn't. He hasnt murdered a single one. Not one. He didnt order the killing of children either. In fact they have tried to prevent it. As opposed to Hamas who ON PURPOSE with the express purpose of murdering children. There was NO ATEMPT to not murder children. There was no warning that they were coming. There was no advising the citizens to leave. No th

ey went directly to homes where citizens were and killed them all and raped the children as well.

You need to stop lying about ehat is going on. Equating Israel with Hamas has to be one of the craziest things I have ever heard.

https://apnews.com/article/icc-israel-hamas-warrants-netanyahu-palestinian-arrest-73c854d072e0a1a41b19b2cb2cdd07fa

I'm not lying. The International Court isn't lying.

This describes how the children are systematically starved as humanitarian aid is stalled at the Israel/Gaza border. The situation was so heartbreaking that President Biden, during his term, had started constructing docks and a port on the Mediterranean because he knew that it was unonscionable and genocidal to have 1.6 million children (half Gaza's population is under 18) starving to death and preventing food from being delivered.

Genocide--slow torture by starvation--is a particularly painful form of death.

My heart is broken for children in Gaza. The pictures of the bombings in Tel Aviv, young people going through their bombed out apartments looking for family photos, homeless, are heartbreaking, too, but we need to acknowledge that Netanyahu's catastrophic escalation and revenge put these residents of Tel Aviv in this situation.

 

[wing2000]

President Trump is keeping a close eye on the price of oil, which is about $74 a barrel this morning in the United States. “EVERYONE, KEEP OIL PRICES DOWN. I’M WATCHING!” Mr. Trump wrote in a post on his social-media platform. He also urged the Energy Department to “DRILL, BABY, DRILL!!! And I mean NOW!!!”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/23/world/iran-trump-israel-news/4426c432-183b-5dac-b12d-571640609436?smid=url-share

 

[mark46]

Folks seem to have learned much from Trump.

When they wish not to deal with an issue (the subject of this thread, bombing Iran), they divert to another issue (Gaza).
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BTW, how many deaths were caused by the US strikes in Iran? Surely, there must have been thousands since we used the most powerful non-nuclear bombs ever used by man.

Given that Netanyahu is so negligent with regard to civilian deaths and has been bombing for over a week, surely there must be tens of thousands of civilian deaths. How many have there been? Yes, I am aware of the death of scientists and some of the leadership that was technically civilian. However, the number of deaths has been small given the scope of the attacks.
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Trump has made the decision that the nuclear stockpile and delivery systems of Iran are a short-term threat to our allies and a long-term threat to us all. Since the Islamist revolution, it has been the policy to prevent Iran from being able to produce and deliver nuclear weapons.

Many Democrats favored debate before striking and perhaps a detailed memo to Iran with strike details. Trump chose misdirection, surprise and secrecy. The plans attacked with ZERO opposition from the ground or air. ZERO soldiers or planes were damaged. Surely that result would have been different if Iran was given notice (even notice that he had decide to strike but the timing was unknown). As it was, Trump probably should have moved EARLIER so that less material could have been moved.

Perhaps Trump should have kept the treaty in place and allowed Iran to slowly build up their nuclear capabilities. I favored that, but that time has passed.
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There has been an active war in the Middle East for a few years, very active for the last year and a half with the direct Hamas attack on Israel. On one side has been Iran, Hamas, the Houtis, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Libya and Iranian backed militias in Iraq and Syria.

Israel has been constantly on the other side, with occasional support from others shooting down missiles in defense of Irael. In the end, the Iranians are opposed by almost all the Arab states and are supported by Russia, North Korea and sometimes China. Yes, we should fear a wider war, but I would note that this would be with Trump's buddy not with the Arab sheiks.
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WHERE SHOULD THE US STAND
The US opposes a nuclear Iran. They read the intelligence from the CIA and Massad. Iran has 60% enriched nuclear fuel, with 90% within relatively short reach (6 months at most). Iran has been upgrading delivery systems and is trying desperately to develop or secure nuclear trigger devices. Missiles were being built at the rate of 50 a month (used to be 5). Trump chose to set back the nuclear effort by years with regard to delivery systems and infrastructure. Obviously, a dirty bomb can be made in secret in a relatively short period of time, but that kind of bomb can be secured today from Russia, North Korea or from terrorists. Trump's views to the contrary, the more significant issue is Iran being able to have a delivery system and nuclear weapons to put in those systems.
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AS AN ASIDE
The Congress will likely debate and then support Trump's position. Perhaps the Democrats will oppose and then continue to oppose or, AS HAS HAPPENED SINCE WORLD WAR TWO, the Democrats can choose to support the elected president and Commander In Chief in the war in which he has chosen to support one of our most valued allies.

 

[SimplyMe]

Folks seem to have learned much from Trump.

When they wish not to deal with an issue (the subject of this thread, bombing Iran), they divert to another issue (Gaza).
===========================
BTW, how many deaths were caused by the US strikes in Iran? Surely, there must have been thousands since we used the most powerful non-nuclear bombs ever used by man.

Given that Netanyahu is so negligent with regard to civilian deaths and has been bombing for over a week, surely there must be tens of thousands of civilian deaths. How many have there been? Yes, I am aware of the death of scientists and some of the leadership that was technically civilian. However, the number of deaths has been small given the scope of the attacks.
==============
Trump has made the decision that the nuclear stockpile and delivery systems of Iran are a short-term threat to our allies and a long-term threat to us all. Since the Islamist revolution, it has been the policy to prevent Iran from being able to produce and deliver nuclear weapons.

Many Democrats favored debate before striking and perhaps a detailed memo to Iran with strike details. Trump chose misdirection, surprise and secrecy. The plans attacked with ZERO opposition from the ground or air. ZERO soldiers or planes were damaged. Surely that result would have been different if Iran was given notice (even notice that he had decide to strike but the timing was unknown). As it was, Trump probably should have moved EARLIER so that less material could have been moved.

Perhaps Trump should have kept the treaty in place and allowed Iran to slowly build up their nuclear capabilities. I favored that, but that time has passed.
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There has been an active war in the Middle East for a few years, very active for the last year and a half with the direct Hamas attack on Israel. On one side has been Iran, Hamas, the Houtis, Hezbollah, Lebanon, Libya and Iranian backed militias in Iraq and Syria.

Israel has been constantly on the other side, with occasional support from others shooting down missiles in defense of Irael. In the end, the Iranians are opposed by almost all the Arab states and are supported by Russia, North Korea and sometimes China. Yes, we should fear a wider war, but I would note that this would be with Trump's buddy not with the Arab sheiks.
=======
WHERE SHOULD THE US STAND
The US opposes a nuclear Iran. They read the intelligence from the CIA and Massad. Iran has 60% enriched nuclear fuel, with 90% within relatively short reach (6 months at most). Iran has been upgrading delivery systems and is trying desperately to develop or secure nuclear trigger devices. Missiles were being built at the rate of 50 a month (used to be 5). Trump chose to set back the nuclear effort by years with regard to delivery systems and infrastructure. Obviously, a dirty bomb can be made in secret in a relatively short period of time, but that kind of bomb can be secured today from Russia, North Korea or from terrorists. Trump's views to the contrary, the more significant issue is Iran being able to have a delivery system and nuclear weapons to put in those systems.
===========
AS AN ASIDE
The Congress will likely debate and then support Trump's position. Perhaps the Democrats will oppose and then continue to oppose or, AS HAS HAPPENED SINCE WORLD WAR TWO, the Democrats can choose to support the elected president and Commander In Chief in the war in which he has chosen to support one of our most valued allies.

Sorry, Iran was warned and it was by Trump himself. Trump warned Iran two weeks ago that he was thinking of attacking. Where he would attack was not much of a mystery as we have bunker buster bombs, the only country with them that would attack Iran, and they had something like three sites that were in bunkers deep underground where they did their nuclear work.

So, Trump warned them two weeks ago and the Iranians listened, they moved all their refined uranium and much of the equipment out of those bunkers. So, we attacked, we damaged the bunkers, but we did little to stop Irans nuclear weapon program.

And now the question is if we are going to go to war with Iran? Yes, they can't protect against our airstrikes but, then again, we know that what is likely to happen is multiple terrorist strikes aimed at the US, as well as missile attacks on US bases in range of Iranian missiles (such as the attack made on the US airbase in Qatar today).

 

[mark46]

President Trump is keeping a close eye on the price of oil, which is about $74 a barrel this morning in the United States. “EVERYONE, KEEP OIL PRICES DOWN. I’M WATCHING!” Mr. Trump wrote in a post on his social-media platform. He also urged the Energy Department to “DRILL, BABY, DRILL!!! And I mean NOW!!!”

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/23/world/iran-trump-israel-news/4426c432-183b-5dac-b12d-571640609436?smid=url-share

and oil prices have come down by several percent since then.

In any case, the current oil prices are lower than a year ago.

 

[wing2000]

and oil prices have come down by several percent since then.

In any case, the current oil prices are lower than a year ago.

...sure, weakening global demand will have that effect.

However, I suspect Trump's anxiety today is driven by steps Iran could take, such as mining the Strait of Hormuz as some Iranian officials recently threatened to do.

 

[chevyontheriver]

My heart is broken for children in Gaza. The pictures of the bombings in Tel Aviv, young people going through their bombed out apartments looking for family photos, homeless, are heartbreaking, too, but we need to acknowledge that Netanyahu's catastrophic escalation and revenge put these residents of Tel Aviv in this situation.

It’s all, and I mean all, Netanyahu’s fault of course what is happening in Gaza. It had nothing at all to do with the Hamas rape and murder gang that raped and murdered and took hostages. And that same rape and murder gang then forbade ordinary Palestinians to leave the north of Gaza when the Israeli army notified residents that the rape and murder gang would be cleaned out of northern Gaza. Not the fault of the rape and murder gang AT ALL of course. It’s all on Netanyahu. Of course.

 

[ralliann]

It’s all, and I mean all, Netanyahu’s fault of course what is happening in Gaza. It had nothing at all to do with the Hamas rape and murder gang that raped and murdered and took hostages. And that same rape and murder gang then forbade ordinary Palestinians to leave the north of Gaza when the Israeli army notified residents that the rape and murder gang would be cleaned out of northern Gaza. Not the fault of the rape and murder gang AT ALL of course. It’s all on Netanyahu. Of course.

They still have hostages. People that ignore what Hamas did don't care about these people.

 

[chevyontheriver]

They still have hostages. People that ignore what Hamas did don't care about these people.

Those are Israelis and Jews so they don’t count for squat. They can be raped and murdered and we can all celebrate the Palestinians, even the rapists and murderers among them. Especially them.

 

[essentialsaltes]

It’s all, and I mean all, Netanyahu’s fault of course what is happening in Gaza.

Hamas and Israel are both being investigated for crimes against humanity.

 

[bèlla]

Those are Israelis and Jews so they don’t count for squat. They can be raped and murdered and we can all celebrate the Palestinians, even the rapists and murderers among them. Especially them.

No one is celebrating the Palestinians. They’re expressing concern about their plight and bringing attention to their suffering. The bulk of the people doing it aren’t christians. They’re ordinary citizens showing concern for their fellow man. It’s the humane thing to do and shouldn’t have to be explained.

~bella

 

[mark46]

No one is celebrating the Palestinians. They’re expressing concern about their plight and bringing attention to their suffering. The bulk of the people doing it aren’t christians. They’re ordinary citizens showing concern for their fellow man. It’s the humane thing to do and shouldn’t have to be explained.

~bella

I suggest that you need to view more of the rallies at US colleges and universities. There were many in the crowds that were pro-Palestinian and even pro-Hamas. Of course, being anti-Israel is more than acceptable by administrations and protestors on college campuses.

 

[bèlla]

I suggest that you need to view more of the rallies at US colleges and universities. There were many in the crowds that were pro-Palestinian and even pro-Hamas. Of course, being anti-Israel is more than acceptable by administrations and protestors on college campuses.

Why do you assume I haven’t seen them? And they aren’t the lone ones protesting. I’ve watched events around the world. They had one the other day in the UK and a week ago in France. We’ve had events in our city and others around the country that weren’t predominantly comprised of students. I follow people who go to these events and the footage is more extensive than the news. And I know someone who works at Harvard and Columbia. I’m not out of the loop by any stretch.

This may be bothersome for those who feel otherwise because of their political affiliation or religious beliefs. Many don’t agree irrespective of the other. And they won’t allow a few bad players to distract them from their cause. Their focus is on the people. Not the things you’re discussing here or your beliefs about Israel. Freedom of speech isn’t contingent on agreement.

~bella