Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

[A2SG]

From my perspective, so called trans women aren't women, they are indeed men.

And from their own perspective, you're wrong. Gee, I wonder who knows better?

I don't care if that makes me prejudice. And this has NOTHING to do with skin color. They aren't even comparable.

Prejudice is prejudice, the only difference is what's being prejudged.

-- A2SG, plus which, in this case, you're prejudging something you have no way of knowing, someone else's gender....

 

[A2SG]

Some women are victims of sexual assault and aren't comfortable being alone with men. Their feelings and safety matter over sexually confused men.

So why not remove all men from anywhere she might happen to be?

-- A2SG, sounds just as reasonable....

 

[RileyG]

So why not remove all men from anywhere she might happen to be?

-- A2SG, sounds just as reasonable....

….because bathrooms and locker rooms are private areas? That’s why.

 

[RileyG]

And from their own perspective, you're wrong. Gee, I wonder who knows better?


Prejudice is prejudice, the only difference is what's being prejudged.

-- A2SG, plus which, in this case, you're prejudging something you have no way of knowing, someone else's gender....

Again. I don’t care. I don’t accept the trans ideology and see it nothing more than an agenda. Maybe I’m too old fashioned and I don’t care.

 

[BCP1928]

Again. I don’t care. I don’t accept the trans ideology and see it nothing more than an agenda. Maybe I’m too old fashioned and I don’t care.

We're not talking about the "trans agenda." We're talking about the bare fact of a biological male using a women's public bathroom and why that in itself is immoral. More particularly, I am still looking for an answer to the further question of why, if it is immoral, the presence of a biological female in a men's room is not.

 

[A2SG]

In the Constitution? No. In state law? Maybe; which state are we talking about?



As I said in the message you were responding to:

"It should go without saying that it is possible to protect rights not found in the Constitution. There is no right to an abortion in the US constitution, but that does not prevent states from passing laws declaring it to be a right. And one can refer to something as a "right" even if it is not formally protected by the constitution or law (although it obviously means there is no legal problem in violating it)."

I think the quote feature misfired here, those comments are not mine.

-- A2SG, but I'll gladly reply when you find what I actually did say...

 

[RileyG]

We're not talking about the "trans agenda." We're talking about the bare fact of a biological male using a women's public bathroom and why that in itself is immoral. More particularly, I am still looking for an answer to the further question of why, if it is immoral, the presence of a biological female in a men's room is not.

….because men don’t belong in women private spaces, again.

I don’t care what adults do. As long as they don’t violate the rights of others, I don’t really care.

 

[A2SG]

….because bathrooms and locker rooms are private areas? That’s why.

No, they're not. Other people occupy them too, so they aren't private.

-- A2SG, easy to tell the difference....

 

[RileyG]

No, they're not. Other people occupy them too, so they aren't private.

-- A2SG, easy to tell the difference....

Women for women, men for men.

Again, adults can do whatever they want, as long as they don’t violate the rights of others.

That’s my perspective.

Peace

 

[A2SG]

Again. I don’t care. I don’t accept the trans ideology and see it nothing more than an agenda. Maybe I’m too old fashioned and I don’t care.

Clearly.

But for some people, it is their lives and their rights being curtailed, so they definitely DO care.

-- A2SG, would that some could respect that....

 

[RileyG]

Clearly.

But for some people, it is their lives and their rights being curtailed, so they definitely DO care.

-- A2SG, would that some could respect that....

I don’t care what they do. Not my monkey, not my circus. I only ask they respect others who may not be comfortable with it. It’s not so black and white.

 

[A2SG]

Women for women, men for men.

Unless they're trans, then no bathroom for you!

Again, adults can do whatever they want, as long as they don’t violate the rights of others.

Once again, no cis woman's rights are violated by a trans woman using the same bathroom.

That’s my perspective.

Peace

Would that you could see beyond that.

-- A2SG, seem to recall something about other people's moccasins....

 

[A2SG]

I don’t care what they do. Not my monkey, not my circus. I only ask they respect others who may not be comfortable with it. It’s not so black and white.

What if someone isn’t comfortable with Christians sharing the bathroom, would it be okay to pass that as a law?

-- A2SG, it's okay so long as it don't affect you....

 

[BCP1928]

Women for women, men for men.

Again, adults can do whatever they want, as long as they don’t violate the rights of others.

That’s my perspective.

Peace

Yes, that's the custom, what's the moral issue? Is it a sin?

 

[RileyG]

What if someone isn’t comfortable with Christians sharing the bathroom, would it be okay to pass that as a law?

-- A2SG, it's okay so long as it don't affect you....

lol. Not even comparable, unless they were screaming about Christianity and trying to force it upon others, then yes, I would say that is indeed wrong.

 

[RileyG]

Unless they're trans, then no bathroom for you!


Once again, no cis woman's rights are violated by a trans woman using the same bathroom.


Would that you could see beyond that.

-- A2SG, seem to recall something about other people's moccasins....

Again. Not all women would feel that way. And not all people would accept trans women as being women. It’s not so simple.

 

[RileyG]

Yes, that's the custom, what's the moral issue? Is it a sin?

Respect others. Respect their privacy. A tiny minority cannot tell a majority what to do.

 

[rjs330]

How does it go against their morality? What moral principles is involved? Let me give you a couple of examples, and you can perhaps point to the moral issue. My daughter is a machinist. She is the only woman machinist in the place, but there are other women, clerks, QC techs, etc.who also spend time on the shop floor where there is only one bathroom, an old-fashioned factory bathroom with stalls along one wall, a tin trough along the other and a big round sink in the middle. All the people on the shop floor, men and women, use it when they have to go.

Your daughters situation is is different. Becauae there IS a ladies room if she didnt want to share a bathroom with men. But lets just say there wasnt one. If your daughter wanted more privacy and didnt want to share a bathroom with the men then it it becomes a moral issue with her right to privacy and feel safe over the men's right to use the restroom with her in it. There may be men who also do not believe it morally correct to use rhe restroom with her in it. Especially if she has expressed that desire. And some men who don't give a rats behind what she wants.

The clash or moralities. Someone has to win. Who should?

 

[RileyG]

How does it go against their morality? What moral principles is involved? Let me give you a couple of examples, and you can perhaps point to the moral issue. My daughter is a machinist. She is the only woman machinist in the place, but there are other women, clerks, QC techs, etc.who also spend time on the shop floor where there is only one bathroom, an old-fashioned factory bathroom with stalls along one wall, a tin trough along the other and a big round sink in the middle. All the people on the shop floor, men and women, use it when they have to go. There is a ladies room, but it's upstairs way at the back of the offices and it's easier to use the shop floor bathroom. What is the moral issue here?
My son works for a start-up in an old Navy airplane hanger. The workforce is about fifty-fifty men/women. There is only one bathroom, quite a large and spacious one with the urinals tucked in a corner where you can't even see them when you walk in. When they moved in it was in a dilapidated condition, so the company thought to redecorate it. By common consent there is still only one bathroom, because to cut it up into two smaller and less pleasant rooms was thought unnecessary. What is the moral issue in this case?

To be fair, in my old workplace, we had unisex bathrooms in the old building. But only one person can use it at a time, as it was locked when someone used the restroom.

Would that be a solution?

I doubt it.

 

[BCP1928]

Your daughters situation is is different. Becauae there IS a ladies room if she didnt want to share a bathroom with men. But lets just say there wasnt one. If your daughter wanted more privacy and didnt want to share a bathroom with the men then it it becomes a moral issue with her right to privacy and feel safe over the men's right to use the restroom with her in it. There may be men who also do not believe it morally correct to use rhe restroom with her in it. Especially if she has expressed that desire. And some men who don't give a rats behind what she wants.

I don't think any of them think very much about it. They're just going to the bathroom.

The clash or moralities. Someone has to win. Who should?

I still see nothing to do with morality, just customary behavior.