Trump threatens to cut Calif.’s federal funds if trans athletes ‘illegally’ compete in women’s events

[BCP1928]

To answer this question, remove the word "who is trans" and end up with:

"What's the problem with allowing someone from using whatever bathroom they want to? How does that limit anyone else's rights in any way whatsoever?"

Do you similarly "not get" why women might not want a man to use their bathroom? If yes, then your position is consistent, but you should then be of the opinion that all bathrooms should be integrated (which, in fairness, I know some have suggested).

If you understand why women wouldn't want a man in their bathroom, but don't get it for transgenders, what is your distinction? Is the fact the transgender person in question feels they are the opposite sex such a big difference that any complaints by women about it should be ignored?

We've heard from women on the subject here. Some care, some not so much. As for my female friends and relations, when at a concert or other event, they will unhesitatingly use the men's because the line is (usually) shorter. Nobody minds about that. Why isn't the situation symmetrical?

Yes, I can understand why some women don't want to have biological men come into the women's bathroom. Actually, the "Left" were totally blinded sided by this. They don't get it because, men and women both, they just don't care as much as conservatives about men going into women's bathrooms, or people seeing each other naked or men dressing in women's clothes, etc.

 

[RileyG]

You keep saying that. Yes they are men biologically. Everybody knows that, even the trans people themselves.

As men, they shouldn’t use the women’s restrooms or be in woman only sports. It’s not right.

 

[BCP1928]

As men, they shouldn’t use the women’s restrooms or be in woman only sports. It’s not right.

And you feel strongly about it. I was just making the point that many people don't care as much. For example, in some parts of the country signs are appearing on bathrooms that say "Unisex Bathroom (with urinals)" and "Unisex Bathroom (without urinals)" Make your choice. You don't need the government to make it for you.

 

[RileyG]

And you feel strongly about it. I was just making the point that many people don't care as much. For example, in some parts of the country signs are appearing on bathrooms that say "Unisex Bathroom (with urinals)" and "Unisex Bathroom (without urinals)" Make your choice. You don't need the government to make it for you.

It’s about protecting women and girls. That’s why I care.

 

[BCP1928]

It’s about protecting women and girls. That’s why I care.

From what, exactly? I can see why women generally don't want men in their bathrooms, but it doesn't seem to be because they need protection,

 

[A2SG]

It’s not prejudice. It’s about the rights of women and girls over sexually confused men.

And you are prejudging them as being sexually confused. Thus, prejudice.

They are free to do whatever they want, they are not free to violate the rights of others.

No cis woman's rights are violated by a trans woman using the same bathroom.

Some women don’t want men to be in their private places. They don’t need to give a reason.

Some people don't want to share a lunch counter with people of a different skin color. Should their wishes also be granted?

-- A2SG, again with the prejudging....

 

[A2SG]

If the majority of the women in this country feel uncomfortable with having a trans woman in the same bathroom as they are in, respect their decision and stop questioning it.

So the rights of some people are not to be questioned, but the rights of others can be ignored completely?

We are Judeo-Christians here

Speak for yourself, please.

and they didn't have the opposite sexes in the bathroom at the same back then. And they are not going to have it now. Moral reasons trump legal reasons every time. End of discussion.

You seem to be unfamiliarity with US law, which is not trumped by someone's subjective moral issues.

-- A2SG, suggest you read the Constitution sometime....

 

[A2SG]

And some even feel the American Medical Association is filled with bogus claims.

Then feel free to refute any of those claims with scientific studies that disprove them.

-- A2SG, simple as that....

 

[A2SG]

To answer this question, remove the word "who is trans" and end up with:

"What's the problem with allowing someone from using whatever bathroom they want to? How does that limit anyone else's rights in any way whatsoever?"

Good question. I look forward to an answer.

Do you similarly "not get" why women might not want a man to use their bathroom?

Not really, no. My office has bathrooms anyone can use, I've yet to see a problem.

If yes, then your position is consistent, but you should then be of the opinion that all bathrooms should be integrated (which, in fairness, I know some have suggested).

I'm not specifically advocating for that, but I'd have no problem with it, either.

If you understand why women wouldn't want a man in their bathroom, but don't get it for transgenders, what is your distinction?

I've made no such distinction.

Is the fact the transgender person in question feels they are the opposite sex such a big difference that any complaints by women about it should be ignored?

I'm not saying anyone's rights should be ignored, neither a trans person nor a cis person. But complaints don't override rights.

I've yet to hear a single valid, legal reason to disallow trans people from using whatever bathroom they prefer.

-- A2SG, just ones coming from prejudging....

 

[Hvizsgyak]

And you feel strongly about it. I was just making the point that many people don't care as much. For example, in some parts of the country signs are appearing on bathrooms that say "Unisex Bathroom (with urinals)" and "Unisex Bathroom (without urinals)" Make your choice. You don't need the government to make it for you.

And then the Democrats wonder why they are in such a minority. They fight for the stupidest issues. We have other major issues that need to be address, inflation, peace in the Middle East, peace between Russia and Ukraine, fairer wages for low-income workers, affordable healthcare, students learning and retaining what they are taught in school, the "garbage" in our food we eat and more. There needs to be a Federal ban on trans gender males athletes participating in biological women's sport and vice versa. This is the morally common sense solution.

 

[Hvizsgyak]

Then feel free to refute any of those claims with scientific studies that disprove them.

-- A2SG, simple as that....

Oh, don't worry, we are .

 

[BCP1928]

And then the Democrats wonder why they are in such a minority. They fight for the stupidest issues. We have other major issues that need to be address, inflation, peace in the Middle East, peace between Russia and Ukraine, fairer wages for low-income workers, affordable healthcare, students learning and retaining what they are taught in school, the "garbage" in our food we eat and more. There needs to be a Federal ban on trans gender males athletes participating in biological women's sport and vice versa. This is the morally common sense solution.

You won't get any argument from me that it's a stupid issue--for both sides to fight over

 

[BCP1928]

Good question. I look forward to an answer.


Not really, no. My office has bathrooms anyone can use, I've yet to see a problem.


I'm not specifically advocating for that, but I'd have no problem with it, either.


I've made no such distinction.


I'm not saying anyone's rights should be ignored, neither a trans person nor a cis person. But complaints don't override rights.

I've yet to hear a single valid, legal reason to disallow trans people from using whatever bathroom they prefer.

-- A2SG, just ones coming from prejudging....

For the life of me I cannot even think of a reason why a man using a women's bathroom is immoral.

 

[Hentenza]

For the life of me I cannot even think of a reason why a man using a women's bathroom is immoral.

Really? No Clue?

 

[BCP1928]

Really? No Clue?

Seriously, no clue.

 

[RileyG]

And you are prejudging them as being sexually confused. Thus, prejudice.


No cis woman's rights are violated by a trans woman using the same bathroom.


Some people don't want to share a lunch counter with people of a different skin color. Should their wishes also be granted?

-- A2SG, again with the prejudging....

From my perspective, so called trans women aren't women, they are indeed men. I don't care if that makes me prejudice. And this has NOTHING to do with skin color. They aren't even comparable.

 

[RileyG]

For the life of me I cannot even think of a reason why a man using a women's bathroom is immoral.

Wow. Just. wow.

 

[RileyG]

From what, exactly? I can see why women generally don't want men in their bathrooms, but it doesn't seem to be because they need protection,

Some women are victims of sexual assault and aren't comfortable being alone with men. Their feelings and safety matter over sexually confused men.

 

[BCP1928]

Wow. Just. wow.

You never could explain it to me, either.

 

[RileyG]

You never could explain it to me, either.

Safety? Privacy?