Trump lying to justify his reasons to bomb Iran.

[durangodawood]

Well unconditional surrender is not up to him. Its up to Iran. And Trump.has shown himself to be willing to move based upon what others do.

Once again if you think unconditional surrender in the sense of Japan signing at the end of WWII, is the ONLY thing he will accept just shows you dont really understand how he operates.

???

Thats exactly what I was saying. The demand for unconditional surrender is completely meaningless, because everyone knows he wont go that far.

 

[rjs330]

???

Thats exactly what I was saying. The demand for unconditional surrender is completely meaningless, because everyone knows he wont go that far.

No its not. The fact hes not been of what hes unconditional about, with the exception of no nukes, means its up for interpretation. Once again its how he does thing. If you demand a hard and fast stance that Can never even be moved off of or a single interpretation of everything he says then you a barking up the wrong tree. And you'll continue to go crazy over everything.

 

[chevyontheriver]

That's unlikely.

Just like a suicide bomber. Not so unlikely in the right circles.

 

[trophy33]

You asked silly questions.

Nope. For example, I said that Iran is having talks with Europe, not with Trump. You answered "Yeah and Europe did what Europe does. Capitulation."

I asked what you mean and you answered with a question showing you do not even know what we are talking about:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/20/europe-iran-to-hold-talks-as-trump-sets-two-week-deadline-for-us-strikes-decision.html

These talks have just begun. And Europe does not need any "deal" with Iran. The talks are for deescalating the situation. I do not even know what should Iran do. Nobody has any evidence they work on a nuclear weapon, neither the US intelligence nor Europe. It is all the solo action of Israel.

Yes, Iran could cooperate more with the IAEA inspectors, but for example Israel is not cooperating with them at all and is thought to have about hundred of nuclear warheads already. So, how do you want to argue with Iran about that. Unstable/unpredictable Trump who changes his attitudes every day is making it even more complicated.

 

[bèlla]

And now we hear the truth…

President Donald Trump delivered his most explicit signals yet that his administration is actively pursuing diplomatic channels with Iran, even as he maintains the threat of military action against the Islamic Republic's nuclear program. Speaking to reporters at Morristown Airport in New Jersey, Trump revealed that his administration has been in direct communication with Iranian officials and expressed cautious optimism about potential negotiations.

When questioned about Iran's desire for civilian nuclear capabilities, Trump expressed skepticism about the necessity of such programs. "They are sitting on top of one of the largest piles of oil in the world. I don't know why they need that for civilian work," he argued, suggesting that Iran's vast oil reserves make nuclear energy development suspicious.

Always follow the money. ;-)

~bella

 

[DaisyDay]

Just like a suicide bomber. Not so unlikely in the right circles.

Iranian suicide bomber? Wrong circle.

 

[rjs330]

Nope. For example, I said that Iran is having talks with Europe, not with Trump. You answered "Yeah and Europe did what Europe does. Capitulation."

I asked what you mean and you answered with a question showing you do not even know what we are talking about:

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/06/20/europe-iran-to-hold-talks-as-trump-sets-two-week-deadline-for-us-strikes-decision.html

These talks have just begun. And Europe does not need any "deal" with Iran. The talks are for deescalating the situation. I do not even know what should Iran do. Nobody has any evidence they work on a nuclear weapon, neither the US intelligence nor Europe. It is all the solo action of Israel.

Yes, Iran could cooperate more with the IAEA inspectors, but for example Israel is not cooperating with them at all and is thought to have about hundred of nuclear warheads already. So, how do you want to argue with Iran about that. Unstable/unpredictable Trump who changes his attitudes every day is making it even more complicated.

I was referring to the capitulation of Europe with the Iranian nuclear deal. Europe and the US under Obama totally capitulated to Iran. The JCPOA was a terrible deal and instead of being tough on Iran in the nuclear build up they gave in, giving Iran tons of aid which allowed Iran access to to build their terror and military network along with the ability to build nuclear weapons. They gave in on inspections. They capitulated.

 

[Akita Suggagaki]

Bombing a nuclear facility is a bed idea no matter the reasons.

 

[Danthemailman]

MAJOR BREAKING: President Trump Announces US Dropped Bombs on THREE Nuclear Sites in Iran - B-2 Bombers Used in Strikes | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

President Trump on Saturday evening announced the US dropped bombs on three nuclear sites in Iran.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

 

[Desk trauma]

Bombing a nuclear facility is a bed idea no matter the reasons.

Now we get to see just how bad in real time.

 

[iarwain]

If Iran wasn't building a nuclear weapon, then they should have made a deal.

 

[trophy33]

was referring to the capitulation of Europe with the Iranian nuclear deal. Europe and the US under Obama totally capitulated to Iran. The JCPOA was a terrible deal and instead of being tough on Iran in the nuclear build up they gave in, giving Iran tons of aid which allowed Iran access to to build their terror and military network along with the ability to build nuclear weapons. They gave in on inspections. They capitulated.

Your president has just started a war with Iran. Now it is on Iran if he will defend himself and attack the US or not. According to the international law, an attacked country can retaliate and even with the help of allies.

 

[Ophiolite]

Pray for the people of Iran, they are nice people who want this terrorist regime toppled and to put in place a more traditional means of governing. Pray for them as the snake in the garden gets it's head lobbed off.

I have not read all the posts on this thread, but have read many of them. With a mix of sadness and rye amusement I note the almost total absence of posts reflecting on and lamenting the deaths of fellow human beings in this (overworked word) crisis. It just seems an odd omission on a Christian forum. Feel free to call me naive, or an atheist sans moral compass. I'll get my wife to embroider it on a baseball cap. I believe that practice is quite the thing these days.

 

[johansen]

The US Intel Director in Senate testimony just last month, US intel agencies, have said they have seen no signs of them moving forward towards a nuke.

There is a book on the sinking of the uss scorpion you should read.

Basically 50 years after, we now know who at the top of the navy compartmentalized information divisions... Confiscated all of the evidence, sent other ships out to go look for it in the wrong spot for 6 months.. because the Soviet told us they sank it and where. At the time, neither side wanted a war.

This isnt the case today (israel,iran,usa,syria,libya,egypt, etc), which makes it more dangerous. (Strikeout because we knocked them off the list already)

At least what we have going for us: china doesnt want a war between us and them and russia and pakistan and india, north/south korea.

Not only can you not trust anything publicly told to congress, you cant trust the classified briefings either...

Personally i am very surprised there were close to no leaks this time around regarding usa bombing iran yesterday.

 

[Fantine]

I'd prefer it if "nuclear arms" wasn't even a thing anywhere in the world...

But since that genie can't be put back in the bottle, it's best to keep it confined to nations that are big and stable enough that they're not going to use it, and have the means to protect it.

And what happens when the big stable nation falls into unstable leadership, and the checks and balances we depended on have been infiltrated with yes men/women and rabid ideologues?

 

[Hentenza]

And what happens when the big stable nation falls into unstable leadership, and the checks and balances we depended on have been infiltrated with yes men/women and rabid ideologues?

Nah. I feel safer today knowing that terrorist Iran won’t produce a nuke anytime soon.

 

[chevyontheriver]

And what happens when the big stable nation falls into unstable leadership, and the checks and balances we depended on have been infiltrated with yes men/women and rabid ideologues?

You mean like Russia and Putin?

 

[wing2000]

Right after the attack, Tump delcareed Iran's nuclear sites "have been completely and totally obliterated."

...another lie.

Everyone knows it's impossible to make such a declaration after any kind of bombing run, much less bombing a target hundreds of meters undergroud. And if the goal is to remove Iran's nuclear program, boots on the ground will be required.

"....a senior U.S. official who asked for anonymity acknowledged that the B-2 attack on the Fordo site did not destroy the heavily fortified facility but severely damaged it."

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/06/22/world/israel-iran-us-trump/5f978180-2472-5685-af01-0865af251022?smid=url-share

 

[wing2000]

And what happens when the big stable nation falls into unstable leadership, and the checks and balances we depended on have been infiltrated with yes men/women and rabid ideologues?

Trump did not plan for the day after.

 

[Hentenza]

Trump did not plan for the day after.

It is the day after.